Devers to Giants.

[wntrtxn21]

9 hours ago, nate82 said:

Devers is a DH or 1B but mostly a DH.  Devers is not a 3B so no need to trade Chapman.  If anything they may trade one of their 1B or DH but not Chapman.  So Flores or someone like that would be who they would give up.  You may get them to listen on Schmitt but that is probably a Misio+ package or a Peralta plus something else package.  

Devers refused to play 1B for the Red Sox. He said he is a 3B, period. The Giants get a primadonna DH. 

[torts]

13 hours ago, Klantz27 said:

Am I wrong? Wouldnt it of been nice to have the cheaper harper? Thats better in the regular season and atleast 20 times better in the postseason than yelich?

I think you're making a lot of assumptions that Bryce would have produced the same levels he did in Philly, in Milwaukee, and at the time, the yelich deal was after he nearly won back to back MVPs.  no one can predict injuries, and theres nothing to say that Bryce makes it through his contract without any time on the IL.  comparing the two since 2019, I think Yeli's come out okay considering the time he lost and the struggles after being injured.  

https://stathead.com/tiny/ABJHL

 

[umphrey]

2 hours ago, homer said:

I think for Boston fans, there's added resentment because of how things went with Mookie Betts who could hit and play great defense at multiple positions and they still let him walk.

Boston had a superstar core of Betts, Devers, Boegarts and they let them walk for next to nothing (although it was best to let Boegarts go). Also I think they told their fans that they let Betts go so they could keep the other 2. 

[owbc]

1 hour ago, Jopal78 said:

I I think this whole boondoggle shows that Boston either didn’t know or didnt care about the make up of the player when they gave Devers the mega extension. 
 

He’s clearly not a team leader, or much of a team player. It’s their folly they didn’t figure that out before guaranteeing hundreds of millions of dollars, so when the situation becomes untenable they’re forced to give him away to one of the 5 or so team that can afford guarantee totaling hundreds of millions of dollars.

And youre right, handing Devers the extension was likely a byproduct of fan anger with trading Betts (an ultimate team player), and letting Bogaerts leave as a FA. 
 

It’s also worth noting by all accounts Yelich would prefer to play the outfield, but he has t made a public peep about being DH almost exclusively so far. 

The funny thing is that from a budget perspective they are fine. They dumped the entire contract and they got a bonus return. That’s better than they would have done if they lost him to FA.

From a “goodwill with their fans” perspective this is a complete and unmitigated disaster. The pressure was already high because the Red Sox have been missing the playoffs. They made a generational mistake in trading a future hall of famer (Mookie). Now they botched their relationship with their franchise player in some way (agreed that it’s on management to make that relationship work). 
 

On the plus side, at least they have a big budget to go shopping in the offseason? 

[markedman5]

Interesting analysis here from baseball executives 

Adames contract mentioned…….not in a good way

https://www.mlb.com/news/rafael-devers-trade-reactions-mlb-executives

[Playing Catch]

I can't help but feel Alex Cora deserves some heat on all this. Isn't he supposed to be awesome at clubhouse stuff? On a young team, doesn't leadership have to come from the manager?

I guess I have always been confused why people think he's awesome. His career in the dugout isn't exactly how "great managers" careers go (with the obvious exception of his first season in 2018 when they were loaded). I always just presumed that he's just so great in the clubhouse that people are willing to ignore his ignominious background.

[Playing Catch]

1 hour ago, markedman5 said:

Interesting analysis here from baseball executives 

Adames contract mentioned…….not in a good way

https://www.mlb.com/news/rafael-devers-trade-reactions-mlb-executives

Also this quote from an unnamed executive at the end of the article...

“What the general public never factors into their knee-jerk trade reactions is what the teams trading away the large contract can now go do with those dollars,” an NL executive said. “Boston should go trade for someone like [Brewers first baseman] Rhys Hoskins right now. Then the deal takes on a whole new dimension.”

[Team Canada]

3 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

they’re forced to give him away

Did they, though? I think that's overstating it a bit.

[gregmag]

17 hours ago, Klantz27 said:

27 million aav vs 25.4 aav lmao ill take Harper's extra 5 years 😂😂😂😂

Wow, FOUR laugh emojis. Now I’m convinced. 

[owbc]

45 minutes ago, Playing Catch said:

Also this quote from an unnamed executive at the end of the article...

“What the general public never factors into their knee-jerk trade reactions is what the teams trading away the large contract can now go do with those dollars,” an NL executive said. “Boston should go trade for someone like [Brewers first baseman] Rhys Hoskins right now. Then the deal takes on a whole new dimension.”

Wow there are some serious moron writers out there. Everybody knows what Boston should actually do is make a terrible overpay for Rhys in the offseason. 

[Klantz27]

4 hours ago, torts said:

I think you're making a lot of assumptions that Bryce would have produced the same levels he did in Philly, in Milwaukee, and at the time, the yelich deal was after he nearly won back to back MVPs.  no one can predict injuries, and theres nothing to say that Bryce makes it through his contract without any time on the IL.  comparing the two since 2019, I think Yeli's come out okay considering the time he lost and the struggles after being injured.  

https://stathead.com/tiny/ABJHL

 

No one can predict injuries in this case is a lie everyone knew yelich has had nagging back problems his entire carrer not to mention he was extended after his broken knee cap as well

Why didn't he produce like 18 and 19 seasons prior? Was it because he only thrived from the juiced ball era? 

[Klantz27]

43 minutes ago, gregmag said:

Wow, FOUR laugh emojis. Now I’m convinced. 

I dont have to convince anyone the performance speaks for itself 1st rd exit every year keep slobbering on the front offices knob and keep telling them there good while you never see a ws 

[Klantz27]

4 hours ago, torts said:

I think you're making a lot of assumptions that Bryce would have produced the same levels he did in Philly, in Milwaukee, and at the time, the yelich deal was after he nearly won back to back MVPs.  no one can predict injuries, and theres nothing to say that Bryce makes it through his contract without any time on the IL.  comparing the two since 2019, I think Yeli's come out okay considering the time he lost and the struggles after being injured.  

https://stathead.com/tiny/ABJHL

 

I'm not specifically saying we should of signed bryce or he would of signed im purely trying to say we have the money to make a big move like that if they spend more efficiently like cmon we are paying hoskins 17 mil a season for what you guys seem to only value war on this forum and hoskins was -0.6 last year

Why did we trade arguably top 3 closer in baseball for cortes and durbin? We could of salary dumped him for just prospects and saved 8 million 

Why did we pay a blown out arm woodruff 17.5 million to rehab then leave in fa after this year? 

Why did we pay 7.5 million for a 37 year old miley that posted a 4.69 fip year prior just why?

Why did we pay a 33 year old lorenzo cain 80 million? 

Why the hell would they ever waste 8 million on gary sanchez?

 

[liveforoctober]

7 minutes ago, Klantz27 said:

I'm not specifically saying we should of signed bryce or he would of signed im purely trying to say we have the money to make a big move like that if they spend more efficiently like cmon we are paying hoskins 17 mil a season for what you guys seem to only value war on this forum and hoskins was -0.6 last year

Why did we trade arguably top 3 closer in baseball for cortes and durbin? We could of salary dumped him for just prospects and saved 8 million 

Why did we pay a blown out arm woodruff 17.5 million to rehab then leave in fa after this year? 

Why did we pay 7.5 million for a 37 year old miley that posted a 4.69 fip year prior just why?

Why did we pay a 33 year old lorenzo cain 80 million? 

Why the hell would they ever waste 8 million on gary sanchez?

 

Your ability to see everything in the past with 20/20 vision is incredible.

[Klantz27]

12 hours ago, liveforoctober said:

Your ability to see everything in the past with 20/20 vision is incredible.

I used only info that was available at the time

I put a red flag on everyone's contract that was already known when they signed besides hoskins but ill do that now blown acl and average defense 

Like cmon we couldn't resign carlos santana for 5.5 million that put up 2.65 war 

[liveforoctober]

15 minutes ago, Klantz27 said:

I used only info that was available at the time read the post moron

I put a red flag on everyone's contract that was already known when they signed besides hoskins but ill do that now blown acl and average defense 

My compliment was genuine. 

[owbc]

2 hours ago, Klantz27 said:

I'm not specifically saying we should of signed bryce or he would of signed im purely trying to say we have the money to make a big move like that if they spend more efficiently like cmon we are paying hoskins 17 mil a season for what you guys seem to only value war on this forum and hoskins was -0.6 last year

Why did we trade arguably top 3 closer in baseball for cortes and durbin? We could of salary dumped him for just prospects and saved 8 million 

Why did we pay a blown out arm woodruff 17.5 million to rehab then leave in fa after this year? 

Why did we pay 7.5 million for a 37 year old miley that posted a 4.69 fip year prior just why?

Why did we pay a 33 year old lorenzo cain 80 million? 

Why the hell would they ever waste 8 million on gary sanchez?

 

If this is a list of our worst transactions in the past decade, then we have the best FO in baseball. 

[karl]

23 hours ago, nate82 said:

The Red Sox must be taking on some salary because this doesn't make sense if they aren't.  

especially since Tibbs has bust written all over him 

[markedman5]

Harper was never coming here……….it was always between Dodgers and the Phillies

Yeli had just put together back to back MVP caliber seasons and wanted to stay here at a price that at the time was viewed as below market by just about everyone.

The guy had just put together the best back to back seasons in Brewers history……we all were thrilled that he wanted to stay and the Brewers found a way to do it.

Second guessing is always easy……..he has been a great leader here and even though he isn’t the player he was I’m glad we signed him to the extension.

[Klantz27]

14 minutes ago, owbc said:

If this is a list of our worst transactions in the past decade, then we have the best FO in baseball. 

Hahaha last decade not even close I only mentioned the **** deals from last year besides Cain 😂 best front office in baseball is laughable considering we have never won anything 

[Klantz27]

1 minute ago, markedman5 said:

Harper was never coming here……….it was always between Dodgers and the Phillies

Yeli had just put together back to back MVP caliber seasons and wanted to stay here at a price that at the time was viewed as below market by just about everyone.

The guy had just put together the best back to back seasons in Brewers history……we all were thrilled that he wanted to stay and the Brewers found a way to do it.

Second guessing is always easy……..he has been a great leader here and even though he isn’t the player he was I’m glad we signed him to the extension.

Juiced balls during those seasons buddy

[bigred]

21 hours ago, Klantz27 said:

Am I wrong? Wouldnt it of been nice to have the cheaper harper? Thats better in the regular season and atleast 20 times better in the postseason than yelich?

You shouldn't assume Harper would have even accepted an offer from Milwaukee. No matter how much the offer would have been. 

[markedman5]

2 minutes ago, Klantz27 said:

Juiced balls during those seasons buddy

lol…..give it up ……

[yfinn6]

Very compelling arguments here. 

[tmwiese55]

I guess the balls were only juiced for yelich or something.