Off Season Ideas

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Just now, Beaugie said:

Not sure where the WAR numbers you're pulling from but I see Ortiz as a negative this year and at 2.6 since joining the Brewers. My point is he's seemingly replacement level, Hall is far from anything special 

I'm pulling from FanGraphs.

Ortiz has negative WAR this year at BRef because they use Defensive Runs Saved as their fielding input and DRS says Joey has been a -3 defender at SS.

Ortiz has positive WAR this year at FanGraphs because they use StatCast's Fielding Run Value as their fielding input and FRV says Joey has been a +5 defender at SS.

From watching the games which system do you believe is doing a better job of capturing Joey's defensive value?

[Beaugie]

I corrected after looking at fangraphs. He's still an above average fielder, which is great but he's absolutely horrendous offensively. 65 wRC+. Brewers have good defenders everywhere, their minors is mostly defensive slap hitters. My point is Joey is easily replaceable at this point 

[wiguy94]

Just now, Beaugie said:

I corrected after looking at fangraphs. He's still an above average fielder, which is great but he's absolutely horrendous offensively. 65 wRC+. Brewers have good defenders everywhere, their minors is mostly defensive slap hitters. My point is Joey is easily replaceable at this point 

The Brewers minors are mostly defensive slap hitters? Are we looking at different farm systems?

[Beaugie]

8 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

The Brewers minors are mostly defensive slap hitters? Are we looking at different farm systems?

 

8 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

The Brewers minors are mostly defensive slap hitters? Are we looking at different farm systems?

Sure show me the guy with 70+ grade power down there. Slap hitters with speed and defense are a good thing. Also I said mostly, AKA not EVERY player is that style but we've filled out the system with those types of guys. There are guys like Wilken but they are few and far between. 

Edited August 5, 2025 by Beaugie

[wiguy94]

4 minutes ago, Beaugie said:

Sure show me the guy with 70+ grade power down there. Slap hitters with speed and defense are a good thing

So if you don't have 70 grade power you are a slap hitter?

[wiguy94]

9 minutes ago, Beaugie said:

Sure show me the guy with 70+ grade power down there. Slap hitters with speed and defense are a good thing. Also I said mostly, AKA not EVERY player is that style but we've filled out the system with those types of guys. There are guys like Wilken but they are few and far between. 

Yeah this just is not an accurate description of the Brewers farm system.

Just looking at their Top 30 on Pipeline and there are not many position players who I would characterize as slap hitters.

1. Jesus Made 

2. Luis Pena

3. Cooper Pratt

4. Jeferson Quero

7. Luke Adams

8. Braylon Payne

9. Marco Dinges

10. Luis Lara 

11. Eric Bitonti

14. Josh Adamczewski

15. Brock Wilken

16. Mike Boeve

17. Brailyn Antunez

21. Tyler Black

27. Blake Burke

28. Kenny Fenelon

29. Jose Anderson

[BrewCrew8675309]

I think we are overvaluing our own prospects and the worth of pitchers that are strictly relievers in the minors...that and no one reads AA or A pitcher to be named later. 

 

That being said, I would love to see the walk machine that is Nacho Alvarez to be our Willi Castro next year. He is a strong defender with some pop and he is only 22 and has done will at AAA for Atlanta. He can spell 3 positions and might take over one if he gets hot. 

Pair him with Tre Morgan and you have a very Arnold-esque offseason. 

 

I will not speculate on the package to be sent out for Tre Morgan and Nacho Alvarez but it would not break my heart if Arnold dealt any combination of Tyler Black, DLHall, Yoho, Wilken, and Car Rod over the summer in various and different deals...

[BrewerFan]

On 8/5/2025 at 2:29 PM, Beaugie said:

I corrected after looking at fangraphs. He's still an above average fielder, which is great but he's absolutely horrendous offensively. 65 wRC+. Brewers have good defenders everywhere, their minors is mostly defensive slap hitters. My point is Joey is easily replaceable at this point 

Brother... what in the world are you talking about?

They have... power hitters ALL over and at EVERY position of the minors. They have mower power in the minors, more HIGH level, top ranked power hitters since.. at least that ~2004 system that had Prince, Weeks, Hart and company...

The difference here is they are 3-4 deep at those positions?

1B-Adams(2nd in AA in OPS behind teammate Wilken), Burke, Bitonti-HUGE power(leading the league in HRs). Ernesto Martinez.. Boeve may be more of a "slap hitter," but he's really just a hitter with average power. 

2B-Pena, Murray, Adamczewski

SS-Made, Pratt-Others, but who cares. Not quite slap hitters. 

3B-Wilken-I think he's STILL leading AA in HRs and OPS and Adams was 2nd, Fischer the first rd pick who was a 1st rd pick because of his power, another 1st rd pick Ebel... picked because of his power.

C-Qureo, certainly not a "slap hitter," but a defensive stud. Dinges... just a great pure hitter at this level, though the defense is a question...despite elite pop times. 

 

I missed so many, but saying that's what our farm system is... you should read up on our farm system a bit more man. 

[Playing Catch]

40 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

Brother... what in the world are you talking about?

They have... power hitters ALL over and at EVERY position of the minors. They have mower power in the minors, more HIGH level, top ranked power hitters since.. at least that ~2004 system that had Prince, Weeks, Hart and company...

The difference here is they are 3-4 deep at those positions?

1B-Adams(2nd in AA in OPS behind teammate Wilken), Burke, Bitonti-HUGE power(leading the league in HRs). Ernesto Martinez.. Boeve may be more of a "slap hitter," but he's really just a hitter with average power. 

2B-Pena, Murray, Adamczewski

SS-Made, Pratt-Others, but who cares. Not quite slap hitters. 

3B-Wilken-I think he's STILL leading AA in HRs and OPS and Adams was 2nd, Fischer the first rd pick who was a 1st rd pick because of his power, another 1st rd pick Ebel... picked because of his power.

C-Qureo, certainly not a "slap hitter," but a defensive stud. Dinges... just a great pure hitter at this level, though the defense is a question...despite elite pop times. 

 

I missed so many, but saying that's what our farm system is... you should read up on our farm system a bit more man. 

Alright, alright, you guys made your point. You have to acknowledge that most of the recent players they've brought up in the last couple of years feature the defensive slap-hitter profile*. Not everyone is as versed as our illustrious maestros of the minor league forum.

*Excepting Chourio, and perhaps Mitchell, whom both excelled defensively as well as having power

[BrewerFan]

On 8/5/2025 at 12:29 PM, Scooterfletcher said:

Yeah, you definitely don’t need to trade both Hall and Yoho for Morgan.   More likely someone like Carlos Rodriguez is enough for him by himself. 

Carols Rodriguez has no value in a trade at this point. Do you think that may be why you want to trade him for everyone? You realize that?

He's a guy with a ERA well over 4 in AAA. We've needed guys who could throw a couple innings or protection numerous times and if we had any confidence in him, we'd have gone with him rather than having to add a guy to the 40 man and use an option. 

 

You're not getting a guy with a 60 grade bat and a potential GG 1B... and a guy who can competently play in the OF for that. He's a top 4-6 prospect in the Rays system. They have a top 10 system. He profiles VERY much like a Rays player...a guy who can hit, a little unorthodox for a 1B without great power. 

They need 1B/DH/Corner OF. I'd expect them to move Yandy Diaz this year as that's how the Rays operate. An older hitter, 12M, final year of his deal... probably not a QO guy(but could be)...Aranda is a 1B/2B/3B guy, not Morgan, but if they move Morgan, they're not giving him away for our scraps. 

 

If we could deal Carlos Rodriguez for anyone who was useful in any role... I suspect we'd have done so. He's a guy we trade for another teams scraps if we find a lefty who's flamed out and has something we think we can turn around. He's not the guy you trade for a top ~5 prospect(minus the '25 draft, he's up to 4th in the system, I'd imagine he drops to 5-8 after they had a very deep draft) in a good system. 

 

Are you giving up Mike Boeve or...hell, Brock Wilken for pitcher who looks like he MIGHT crack a bad MLB rotation at some point, but more serves as the long man on a bad team.

[BrewerFan]

8 hours ago, Playing Catch said:

Alright, alright, you guys made your point. You have to acknowledge that most of the recent players they've brought up in the last couple of years feature the defensive slap-hitter profile*. Not everyone is as versed as our illustrious maestros of the minor league forum.

*Excepting Chourio, and perhaps Mitchell, whom both excelled defensively as well as having power

I didn't see others had replied, but...he kept arguing. 

 

22 hours ago, BrewCrew8675309 said:

I think we are overvaluing our own prospects and the worth of pitchers that are strictly relievers in the minors...that and no one reads AA or A pitcher to be named later. 

Well... they're a top 5 farm system by most mid-season rankings. 
#2 by Kiley and Bleacher Report, #4 by Fangraphs... 

If you're talking about Carlos Rodriguez, sure. I don't know what you mean about "the worth of pitchers that are strictly relievers in the minor... that no one reads AA or A pitcher to be named later." I have no idea what that means?

They have maybe one guy in their top 30 who is a "strictly reliever," and that's Yoho and his change and similarities to Devin William and just the movement on that Change has him worth a LOT more than a PTBNL.

23 hours ago, BrewCrew8675309 said:

That being said, I would love to see the walk machine that is Nacho Alvarez to be our Willi Castro next year. He is a strong defender with some pop and he is only 22 and has done will at AAA for Atlanta. He can spell 3 positions and might take over one if he gets hot. 

Pair him with Tre Morgan and you have a very Arnold-esque offseason. 

Alverez would be a great addition, but I think Durbin will eventually be that utility guy. I don't think we'd trade what it costs to get him. He was a top 100 prospect and he may have lost some value but the Braves are a team that's going to be competing next year. With the injuries to Albies, Riley, and just lack of offensive ability at SS...where the Braves started playing him more and he held his own. I think he'll have a big role for ATL.

Beyond that, I think Durbin is our future Utility player. He can play 2B, 3B, Turang can play SS. Wilken likely takes over at 3B. He was probably close to getting a callup this year, leading AA in OPS by a wide margin(ahead of Luke Adams who was 2nd) and hitting 18HRs, again, far and away the league leader prior to his injury, again ahead of Adams. 

His AAA promotion was even leaked. So Wilken spends a couple months in AAA, he hits, he gets called up this Sept as a power bat off the bench.

He's got more upside than Durbin and Durbin doesn't have the power. His best role is as a utility player. 

 

I like Tre Morgan as well... but again, he's not going to be cheap. I don't know that we're going to give up the prospect capital to add a 1B when we have multiple guys ready to take over 1B in the next year. Luke Adams... athletic, big 1B who has been playing 3B. Big time power, he's young, walks a ton, hits for power and gets on base. Burke, hitting over .300, Fischer is a guy who'll move fast... he's either a 3B or 1B. Someone will have to DH. Maybe that's Yelich, it'd be nice if a couple of those guys lived up to their projection and could be .240./400/.500 guys like Adams/Wilken or .275/.375/.500 guys like Fischer or a .300/.370./.430 guy like Burke. 

But... as we know, that seldom happens. Bitonti is not far behind. He seems like a .220/.350/.500 and 30 HR type bat, but Corner OF/1B. 

Either way, LOTS of power bats. 

 

On 8/6/2025 at 2:57 AM, BrewCrew8675309 said:

I will not speculate on the package to be sent out for Tre Morgan and Nacho Alvarez but it would not break my heart if Arnold dealt any combination of Tyler Black, DLHall, Yoho, Wilken, and Car Rod over the summer in various and different deals...

The Willingness to include Wilken so easiyly AND put him in a group with Yoho, Black and Carlos Rodriguez should be a pretty good sign that we're underrating our power. 

Wilken was leading the Southern League by...again, a lot in OPS and HRs. More when you take out the guy he who was #2 was also a Brewers prospect. .392 OBP, .550 SLG and 18 HRs(Adams=.241/..422/.477 and a 900 OPS with 11 HRs).

You really want to trade Wilken or give up a bunch when...both those problems could be solved by June.

1-Frelick-RF
2-Chourio-LF
3-Yelich-DH
4-Contreras-C
5-Turang-SS
6-Vaughn/Adams 1B
7-Mitchell-CF(for however long, then Perkins, a switch hitter and hell, maybe Lara by the end of next year/)
8-Wilken-3B
9-Durbin 

Bench Jansen, Tyler Black(1B/Corner OF), Ortiz(He'll probably start most game at 1B if he can get his OPS back to 700), Lockridge(CF/LF/RF), and I'm thinking Siegler(C, 3B, OF) or Adams rotating in at DH/1B/LF 
 

I'm not real confident in Lockridge, but I was been strongly disliked and hated the Priester trade, the Vaughn trade, absolutely dumbfounded that we had to give up Quintana and Cortes for a AAAA type prospect, but...just means he'll become PCA with a better OBP.  

[Team Canada]

26 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

Ortiz(He'll probably start most game at 1B if he can get his OPS back to 700)

I'm probably misreading - are you saying Ortiz would start at 1B or is that a typo of some sort?

[BrewerFan]

12 hours ago, Team Canada said:

I'm probably misreading - are you saying Ortiz would start at 1B or is that a typo of some sort?

Yeah, I was thinking about 1B and how they(Vaughn and Adams...Jesus...I still wasn't clear when I clarified) would split the time there at 1B, basically just thinking about how much credence I'd put in Vaughns 3-4 week stretch now and then I went back and added Ortiz. 

 

So I definitely meant Ortiz would play SS, just misspoke. 

We brought Back Betancourt to play 1B after his Gold Glove caliber 2011 season, right? 

Talking about Ortiz playing SS on NEXT years team would be... up there with that! LOL...so yes, that was a mistake. 

 

Edited August 8, 2025 by BrewerFan

[BrewCrew8675309]

@BrewerFan So much to unpack. I am not going to be able to go line item fisking a reply as time doesn't allow it but, despite the 👎 I appreciate your take and time to type it out.

 

Long story short, I am suspect of Wilken's K rate but acknowledge that his OPS and pop would be useful. Why Tre Morgan when we have Luke Adams at home? Tre gets on base without relying on HBP (to me it seems more sustainable) and is slick with the glove...plus there are a lot of bodies ahead of him currently in TB. We will need to pare back some of the prospects and I am hung up on a few that are highly ranked but fail to get on the 26 man roster with any consistency. Car Rod is getting pushed back from the rotation since his days of the Intl World Series and Tyler Black was passed over for Lockridge and Lockridge is just a guy (fine with Nester leaving but JQuintana could have been kept/traded elsewhere if Black was the call). TBlack is not going to be our 1B next year and I think AVaughn might revisit planet Earth in 2026 and need some support. That is basically it for him.

 

Nacho feels like he should be on this team now with his walks and position optionality that includes SS (unlike Durbin) so that is why I went for him too. For all the clamoring to trade for Willi Castro, why not pick one up that is maybe cheaper (during the offseason)  and under control. 

 

Trade speculation is not zero sum, plenty of make believe to go around.

 

I'd love to see a true ace come in and push everyone back in the rotation or a 3B with Ramirez-like potential but the Brewers are going to Brew.

 

The comment about not noticing the PTBNL was directed elsewhere. 

That's all...thanks for the interaction.

[landoc88]

Brandon Woodruff is a must resign period. He's to important to Milwaukee.

[BrewerFan]

11 hours ago, BrewCrew8675309 said:

Tre gets on base without relying on HBP (to me it seems more sustainable) and is slick with the glove...plus there are a lot of bodies ahead of him currently in TB.

Adams has the higher walk rate, the higher projected walk rate by Steamer, he hits for much more power.

And...AGAIN, he's not a prospect in the Milwaukee Brewers farm system. So we're going to have to trade quite a bit to give up a guy who's 4th-to 6th(again, in every ranking I've seen) in a top 10 systems top 10. 

And Adams has played primarily 3rd base until Wilken bumped him off it and he's stolen 30 and 28 bags the last two years. So I'm not real concerned with his glove at 1sts and I certainly think it's ridiculous to say "Morgan gets on base without getting hit," which is more sustainable while ignoring who walks more. 

 

There's also the power and that's not even comparable. 

11 hours ago, BrewCrew8675309 said:

plus there are a lot of bodies ahead of him currently in TB.

No, not really. Diaz is likely gone. It's strange you think he's this perfect fit, but you wouldn't think Tampa Bay would? You think they'll choose a 33 year old making 12M, a player who has been part of trade rumors for a couple years or do you think they'd go with the guy who can play both corner OF spots, where they have an 83 OPS+ and a 90 OPS+.  It's not like Tampa Bay is overflowing with talent there... so 4 spots in the lineup for him to play. I don't think there are a lot of bodies blocking him. 

11 hours ago, BrewCrew8675309 said:

Long story short, I am suspect of Wilken's K rate but acknowledge that his OPS and pop would be useful.

I'm more than happy to take a walk rate over ~20% for a K rate of ~26% ... especially when it comes with massive power. 

In any event, skepticsm is fine. That's probably why we've drafted a 1B and 3B in the first rd the last two years(a 3rd if you include Ebel, though he's on a different time line from the two College bats we took). 

Just throwing him into a group of prospects with Carlos Rodriguez, Yoho, Tyler Black... who is definitely undervaluing him. 

11 hours ago, BrewCrew8675309 said:

We will need to pare back some of the prospects and I am hung up on a few that are highly ranked but fail to get on the 26 man roster with any consistency. Car Rod is getting pushed back from the rotation since his days of the Intl World Series and Tyler Black was passed over for Lockridge and Lockridge is just a guy (fine with Nester leaving but JQuintana could have been kept/traded elsewhere if Black was the call). TBlack is not going to be our 1B next year and I think AVaughn might revisit planet Earth in 2026 and need some support. That is basically it for him.

Carlos Rodriguez really isn't a highly rated prospect. 
 

Tyler Black is a LHed hitting 1B/DH and maybe Corner OF. 
Lockridge is a RHed hitting 70 grade speed CFer and can play all 3 OF spots. 

I don't see Black being passed over for Lockridge.  

I also didn't like trading Quintana... not sure that means you could have just swapped Black in or... how this really pertains to what I was saying. I didn't like that deal. I also said I didn't like the deal for Priester and I didn't like getting Vaughn back. So I'm gonna trust Arnold as he seems to be doing fine. But sure... trading an 18 year old SS didn't feel necessary. They may have think much higher of Lockridge than we have. 

11 hours ago, BrewCrew8675309 said:

Nacho feels like he should be on this team now with his walks and position optionality that includes SS (unlike Durbin) so that is why I went for him too. For all the clamoring to trade for Willi Castro, why not pick one up that is maybe cheaper (during the offseason)  and under control. 

Right... and I agree he'd be a nice addition. I'm just not sure why the Braves will be looking to move off him. 

And Durbin doesn't need to play SS. We've still have Turang and Ortiz. I don't think Alvarez is viewed as someone who can do more than just fill in at short with his defense, but... I'd also like him. I think he'll be much more expensive than Castro however. 

I suspect you'd have to give up a fairly substantial package to acquire him and... by this time next year, we're going to have a whole lot of players pushing for playing time across the IF. 

But if Yoho, Carlos Rodriguez and Tyler Black gets it done, I would be thrilled. 

 

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Trade speculation is not zero sum, plenty of make believe to go around.

No, it's not, but when talking about trading for prospects, I think it makes sense to try and view it from the other teams perspective. 

Also looking at if that trade is necessary given in-house options. 

And yes, there's plenty of make believe... and this is generally how we talk about them.

For instance, when people were talking about a "Yelich like trade," and suggesting we give up a Made or Pena for Abrams or Henderson. That was certainly an appealing idea... but it was pointed out Washington didn't seem like they were in a position to trade away their young, controllable SS. 

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 I'd love to see a true ace come in and push everyone back in the rotation or a 3B with Ramirez-like potential but the Brewers are going to Brew.

I believe we've long been interested in Ramirez. I think that's a trade we'd have made work... but he seems happy there. 

But sure, that's a player I'd be happy giving up one of the 18-year-olds in Appleton for. 

 

[jay87shot]

17 hours ago, landoc88 said:

Brandon Woodruff is a must resign period. He's to important to Milwaukee.

I would love to re-sign Woody. I think  3/60 would make sense if he finishes close to how he has started. The problem is how to address the 10 million dollar buyout. If we can go 3/60, someone else will probably go 3/75 or 4/90-100 and he would get the 10 million buyout on top of it.

Can we give him a qualifying offer when he declines his end of the mutual option? I have been underwhelming the impression we could, but don't know how that works on players declining options.

 

[sveumrules]

My best guess at the sequence of events is the mutual option will be declined and Woody will become an FA with a QO attached.

He’ll hopefully hit the market healthy and coming off some nice postseason starts with an agreement to give the Brewers a chance to match or get close to wherever the high bid ends up.

Will definitely be interesting to see how they navigate Woody’s likely FA with possible extensions for Freddy and Misio.

[jay87shot]

I wouldn't give up Pena or Made for anyone other than Gunner Henderson who is untouchable I would think. It might be a better idea to get a vet at a lower price than a young starter at SS. Someone like JP Crawford or Kim (TB) would upgrade SS for a year and not cost as much and give Pratt, Pena, and 7Made another year to grow. I wouldnt mind going after Neto, Abrams, or a different young SS but if we have 3 guys that can/will be that good in a year or two why pay extra. 

[wntrtxn21]

On 8/7/2025 at 7:19 AM, Team Canada said:

I'm probably misreading - are you saying Ortiz would start at 1B or is that a typo of some sort?

 

On 8/7/2025 at 6:53 AM, BrewerFan said:

I didn't see others had replied, but...he kept arguing. 

 

Well... they're a top 5 farm system by most mid-season rankings. 
#2 by Kiley and Bleacher Report, #4 by Fangraphs... 

If you're talking about Carlos Rodriguez, sure. I don't know what you mean about "the worth of pitchers that are strictly relievers in the minor... that no one reads AA or A pitcher to be named later." I have no idea what that means?

They have maybe one guy in their top 30 who is a "strictly reliever," and that's Yoho and his change and similarities to Devin William and just the movement on that Change has him worth a LOT more than a PTBNL.

Alverez would be a great addition, but I think Durbin will eventually be that utility guy. I don't think we'd trade what it costs to get him. He was a top 100 prospect and he may have lost some value but the Braves are a team that's going to be competing next year. With the injuries to Albies, Riley, and just lack of offensive ability at SS...where the Braves started playing him more and he held his own. I think he'll have a big role for ATL.

Beyond that, I think Durbin is our future Utility player. He can play 2B, 3B, Turang can play SS. Wilken likely takes over at 3B. He was probably close to getting a callup this year, leading AA in OPS by a wide margin(ahead of Luke Adams who was 2nd) and hitting 18HRs, again, far and away the league leader prior to his injury, again ahead of Adams. 

His AAA promotion was even leaked. So Wilken spends a couple months in AAA, he hits, he gets called up this Sept as a power bat off the bench.

He's got more upside than Durbin and Durbin doesn't have the power. His best role is as a utility player. 

 

I like Tre Morgan as well... but again, he's not going to be cheap. I don't know that we're going to give up the prospect capital to add a 1B when we have multiple guys ready to take over 1B in the next year. Luke Adams... athletic, big 1B who has been playing 3B. Big time power, he's young, walks a ton, hits for power and gets on base. Burke, hitting over .300, Fischer is a guy who'll move fast... he's either a 3B or 1B. Someone will have to DH. Maybe that's Yelich, it'd be nice if a couple of those guys lived up to their projection and could be .240./400/.500 guys like Adams/Wilken or .275/.375/.500 guys like Fischer or a .300/.370./.430 guy like Burke. 

But... as we know, that seldom happens. Bitonti is not far behind. He seems like a .220/.350/.500 and 30 HR type bat, but Corner OF/1B. 

Either way, LOTS of power bats. 

 

The Willingness to include Wilken so easiyly AND put him in a group with Yoho, Black and Carlos Rodriguez should be a pretty good sign that we're underrating our power. 

Wilken was leading the Southern League by...again, a lot in OPS and HRs. More when you take out the guy he who was #2 was also a Brewers prospect. .392 OBP, .550 SLG and 18 HRs(Adams=.241/..422/.477 and a 900 OPS with 11 HRs).

You really want to trade Wilken or give up a bunch when...both those problems could be solved by June.

1-Frelick-RF
2-Chourio-LF
3-Yelich-DH
4-Contreras-C
5-Turang-SS
6-Vaughn/Adams 1B
7-Mitchell-CF(for however long, then Perkins, a switch hitter and hell, maybe Lara by the end of next year/)
8-Wilken-3B
9-Durbin 

Bench Jansen, Tyler Black(1B/Corner OF), Ortiz(He'll probably start most game at 1B if he can get his OPS back to 700), Lockridge(CF/LF/RF), and I'm thinking Siegler(C, 3B, OF) or Adams rotating in at DH/1B/LF 
 

I'm not real confident in Lockridge, but I was been strongly disliked and hated the Priester trade, the Vaughn trade, absolutely dumbfounded that we had to give up Quintana and Cortes for a AAAA type prospect, but...just means he'll become PCA with a better OBP.  

You forgot Collins in the OF. I see Mitchell being moved in a trade with Perkins the backup OF. Murphy moving Turang off 2B. I definitely don't believe Murphy will move Turang off 2B. 

Frelick (RF) - Churio (CF) - Contreras (C) - Yelich (DH) - Vaughn (1B) - Wilken (3B) - Collins LF) - Turang (2B) - Ortiz/SS aquired in trade (SS)

Bench:  Perkins - Adams - Durbin - Haase (no way they p/u Jansen's $12M option) 

[gregmag]

On 8/6/2025 at 5:32 PM, Playing Catch said:

Alright, alright, you guys made your point. You have to acknowledge that most of the recent players they've brought up in the last couple of years feature the defensive slap-hitter profile*. Not everyone is as versed as our illustrious maestros of the minor league forum.

*Excepting Chourio, and perhaps Mitchell, whom both excelled defensively as well as having power

He didn’t make a point about players in MLB. He made a point about players in the minors. Also, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with not knowing much about the minor league system. There is something wrong with not knowing much about the minor league system but then making a sweeping declaration about the system.

[Playing Catch]

27 minutes ago, gregmag said:

He didn’t make a point about players in MLB. He made a point about players in the minors. Also, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with not knowing much about the minor league system. There is something wrong with not knowing much about the minor league system but then making a sweeping declaration about the system.

I had no issue with the debate. I just felt some of the posts were a bit heavy-handed, but whatever.

[umphrey]

Looks like Devin Williams is pitching his way back to Milwaukee on a cheap 1 year deal. 5.73 ERA not sure if anyone will want to touch that. 

[TwinsBrewersWorldSeries]

I'll echo some of the comments about Woody above.  He looks fantastic right now, though its only been 5-6 starts.  With some of the younger guys likely to have some growing pains at some point, it would be really beneficial to have that steady veteran mentor who can also take the ball in the deciding game of a playoff series.

No idea what it would take, but Woody does have that long-term "Franchise player" pedigree that Braun, Yelich, and other long term signs have had.

Given the underwhelming return (atleast in the moment) for Hader, Burnes, and Williams, maybe we try to run it back next year (to defend our WS win of course) with Woody & Peralta, and let the young guns (Miz, Priester, Henderson, Patrick) continue to gel, with Ashby, Hall, Gasser, and Myers continuing their bullpen/spot start roles.

Do we try to get anything done with Turang, Frelick  (who both have a couple years of solid performance under their belt), and atleast see what it would take to lock in some of the younger rookies?

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On 8/8/2025 at 10:09 AM, jay87shot said:

I would love to re-sign Woody. I think  3/60 would make sense if he finishes close to how he has started. The problem is how to address the 10 million dollar buyout. If we can go 3/60, someone else will probably go 3/75 or 4/90-100 and he would get the 10 million buyout on top of it.

Can we give him a qualifying offer when he declines his end of the mutual option? I have been underwhelming the impression we could, but don't know how that works on players declining options.

 

The 10M buyout isn't a problem so much as... a sunk cost. 

He's getting that either way. So the contract he'd sign would be entirely separate from that. They could restructure I suppose. Make it 3/75 and defer some I suppose. 

Woodruff would really have to want to stay in Milwaukee though.