Diamondbacks at Brewers; Tuesday, August 26 @ 6:40 p.m.: Jacob Misiorowski (4.19 ERA, 3.24 FIP) vs. Brandon Pfaadt (4.95 ERA, 4.35 FIP)

[treego14]

[treego14]

I Pfaadt I taw a puddy tat!

I did, I did!

Miz will slam down the lid!

[Frisbee Slider]

I’m not clear on what Pfaadt has accomplished to warrant a $45 million contract (effective next year). Buys out the arbitration years and one year of free agency. 
 

3.61 FIP last year is nice

5.02 ERA and 4.22 FIP for career

He’s been healthy since 2023

A calculated lower risk gamble, I suppose 

[Outlander]

Pfaadt had a horrible game last September at AmFam, hopefully more of the same today. Could use a game where the Brewers blow out the other team. Easton McGee three inning save would be great.

[wildcat2237]

6 hours ago, Frisbee Slider said:

I’m not clear on what Pfaadt has accomplished to warrant a $45 million contract (effective next year). Buys out the arbitration years and one year of free agency. 
 

3.61 FIP last year is nice

5.02 ERA and 4.22 FIP for career

He’s been healthy since 2023

A calculated lower risk gamble, I suppose 

I live in AZ and work with a bunch of Dbacks fans. 

Pfaadt was a really big part of their World Series run a few years ago. So he has a place in Dbacks lore. The fans and organization hold him in higher regard than they should. 

The closest player I can think of that is comparable for the Brewers is Tobias Myers and the big year he had in 2024. But imagine if Tobias took the crew to the WS last year? 

[willie key]

I’d be ok with replacing Miz in the rotation at this point.     We really don’t need a guy who is going to go 65 pitches and 3 innings with one inning being absolutely horrible.    
 

now maybe last game he found something where he doesn’t have to spaz out on every throw and be a little more composed.   But if he’s terrible today figure out if he can do another role

lets get back to back wins and have the guys start having fun again

[Frisbee Slider]

We could also shut Miz down for 2025 and try again next year. I think Miz has shown us his floor and ceiling this year.

If he can throw strikes, he obviously has value in Milwaukee this season.

[Frisbee Slider]

6 minutes ago, willie key said:

now maybe last game he found something where he doesn’t have to spaz out on every throw and be a little more composed.

I remember the early days of Burnes as a starter, he would be fired up for every inning. He seemed to have learned that starting pitching is a marathon and you probably can’t act like a game seven elimination game for every pitch.

[willie key]

5 minutes ago, Frisbee Slider said:

We could also shut Miz down for 2025 and try again next year. I think Miz has shown us his floor and ceiling this year.

If he can throw strikes, he obviously has value in Milwaukee this season.

I wonder what he’d be like as a one inning reliever this year or would that just be a crapshoot

[CheezWizHed]

8 hours ago, Frisbee Slider said:

I’m not clear on what Pfaadt has accomplished to warrant a $45 million contract (effective next year). Buys out the arbitration years and one year of free agency. 
 

3.61 FIP last year is nice

5.02 ERA and 4.22 FIP for career

He’s been healthy since 2023

A calculated lower risk gamble, I suppose 

So you're saying he got a big, Pfaadt paycheck? 

[kestrel79]

Has Miz had a good start since the All-Star break?

Unless he's pitching lights out and getting us to the 5th-6th innings, yeah I'd rather seem him come out of the pen and be a right handed version of Hader on the 2018 team for the postseason. Or piggy back him with someone like Gasser?

[Fear The Chorizo]

1 hour ago, kestrel79 said:

Has Miz had a good start since the All-Star break?

Unless he's pitching lights out and getting us to the 5th-6th innings, yeah I'd rather seem him come out of the pen and be a right handed version of Hader on the 2018 team for the postseason. Or piggy back him with someone like Gasser?

He's only had 4 starts since then, and is obviously being very pitch count limited.  no runs in just under 4IP in Seattle, 3 runs in an error-filled 4 innings against the Cubs, the 1.1 IP debacle in Cincy full of walks and blooper singles, and the 4 IP start in Chicago when he gave up 3 runs on 1 hit due to walks.  When he's giving up hits, it's not like they're HR or hard contact - he's just walking too many guys and it's obvious his schedule post IL stint hasn't allowed him to get into any rhythm.  Kind of an unintended consequence of this innings - limit approach is his workload is so uneven it's really hard for Miz to find consistency.

When he throws strikes and is aggressive in the zone, he's going to mow through 5-6 IP in 80 pitches - but when he's not you can cut the innings pitched in half and it's a tax on the bullpen.  He is basically at his IP amount from last season right now, so it's tough to see the Brewers pushing him extra hard the next few weeks if they have any intent of using him in the postseason.  But, the trouble is if you don't pitch him now, you can't just dust him off in October for a playoff start or long reliever role with that amount of downtime.  If he's healthy, you pitch him.

[Brewin]

Lots of lineup complaining will commence shortly with Siegler at 3B and Durbin back on the bench..

[Jim French Stepstool]

4 hours ago, Frisbee Slider said:

I remember the early days of Burnes as a starter, he would be fired up for every inning. He seemed to have learned that starting pitching is a marathon and you probably can’t act like a game seven elimination game for every pitch.

That's a great comp. Not that they're similar pitchers, but Burnes was lights-out in '18 as a 2-3 inning guy & then struggled big time in '19 when starting. The problem with Miz is I don't see much good in using him out of the pen because you just can't risk him coming in & walking people.

He's had bad stretches in the minor leagues, then suddenly throws 5 or 6 innings with a walk or two. I think he needs to be given a chance to work through this for at least one or two more starts. Good news is you're a little less than a week away from having an extra arm that you can maybe hold back for his starts in case there's trouble.

Which leads me to my annual rant about how much I hate the 9-1 expansion of the active roster to only 28. Yes, 40 was ridiculous. But 30 or 31 would be much better.

[wiguy94]

10 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

That's a great comp. Not that they're similar pitchers, but Burnes was lights-out in '18 as a 2-3 inning guy & then struggled big time in '19 when starting. The problem with Miz is I don't see much good in using him out of the pen because you just can't risk him coming in & walking people.

He's had bad stretches in the minor leagues, then suddenly throws 5 or 6 innings with a walk or two. I think he needs to be given a chance to work through this for at least one or two more starts. Good news is you're a little less than a week away from having an extra arm that you can maybe hold back for his starts in case there's trouble.

Which leads me to my annual rant about how much I hate the 9-1 expansion of the active roster to only 28. Yes, 40 was ridiculous. But 30 or 31 would be much better.

Agree. I think 30 makes sense. 2 extra pitchers and 2 extra position players.

[torts]

3 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

So you're saying he got a big, Pfaadt paycheck? 

[wibadgers23]

They are really doubling down on this Durbin/Seigler platoon, aren’t they?

[adambr2]

I’m pleasantly surprised to see Vaughn in the lineup against a RHP, I thought we were headed for another Bauers day.

With that said, Vaughn needs to start hitting again.

[TwinsBrewersWorldSeries]

Seigler is pathetically bad.   Must be that 41 OPS+ versus RHP that Murphy loves...   seriously, why the hell is this guy on the roster.  .184/.305/.184/.489 has to be the worst in the league with 50+ PA against RHP

By the end, I absolutely couldn't stand CC as manager and was overjoyed when he left town.  Hoping it doesn't come to that with Murphy.

Seigler and Bauers have no place on this roster.

[TwinsBrewersWorldSeries]

23 minutes ago, wibadgers23 said:

They are really doubling down on this Durbin/Seigler platoon, aren’t they?

barf

[folly412]

28 minutes ago, wibadgers23 said:

They are really doubling down on this Durbin/Seigler platoon, aren’t they?

Durbin on a tear the past couple games, and now sits.  

I don't buy matchup either.  Durbin has been just fine against RHP since June, and had large reverse splits throughout the minor leagues.

[willie key]

33 minutes ago, wibadgers23 said:

They are really doubling down on this Durbin/Seigler platoon, aren’t they?

Siegler underlying analytics give him an automatic hit each game

[wiguy94]

It never ceases to amaze me that many who criticized Durbin because he wasn't good his first 50-60 MLB PA now get so mad that Durbin loses some playing time to someone who hasn't been good his first 50-60 MLB PA.

[sveumrules]

25 minutes ago, TwinsBrewersWorldSeries said:

.184/.305/.184/.489 has to be the worst in the league with 50+ PA against RHP

There are 462 players with at least 50 PA vs RHP this year.

Seigler's 51 wRC+ vs RHP ties him 407th to 413th on that list so there have been 49 batters worse than Seigler.

Bottom of the list is MJ Melendez at 077/111/115 (-47 wRC+).

[Joseph Zarr]

I sincerely sincerely hope Seigler can shut up the Madding Crowd with some inspired play tonight. The guy has 53 AB. FITY THREE. With insanely bad luck given the underlying data. He has 12 K and 8 BB. 

I watch this absurd dialogue taking place from the morass of utterly spoiled fans on twitter (I very briefly clicked on Jack's article link while scanning the affiliates line up cards) - fans who complain about every signing; every non-signing; every failed moment - and realize it's no wonder they are at odds with the Brewers Way of winning. They don't understand player development. Not one iota. They don't understand how insanely good the Brewers are at Small Market chess. It's nauseating. Complain at everything. Complain at every player. Not once, really, stopping to see the bigger picture or learning a little more about why an Anthony Seigler might be playing. Or why a RHP Grant Anderson might actually be having a really good season.

For perspective sake: when watching and evaluating Minor League Players, about 125 PA's is when we begin to form a very very early thought process on a player. Then we look at the underlying data to see what's really going on under the hood - did back luck play a part? How were the swing decisions? What kind of barrel % or hard hit ball rate was happening? What kind of BABIP was the pitcher experiencing? What was the whiff rate? Was he working on new pitches? Etc. It's just never straightforward. Do these same fans not realize Durbin's sudden uptick in production is also likely directly related to more rest late in the season? More advantageous match-ups and a better fresher body? 

Good gracious this entire Seigler conversation makes me nauseous. He's such a likable player. He does so many little things well. Ugh.