Diamondbacks at Brewers; Thursday, August 28 @ 1:10 p.m.: Jose Quintana (3.32 ERA, 4.77 FIP) vs. Nabil Crismatt (1.00 ERA, 2.45 FIP)

[Brian]

3 minutes ago, Team Canada said:

I believe we've come back from more than 4 runs before, but this certainly can't continue, and is not great when we could use some innings out of him.

To early to through in the towel on Crismatt not that good either.

[Bulldogboy]

I will never understand what has occurred in baseball today. When I was coming up each team had 10 pitchers. 5 starters 5 bullpen. The Brewers have 13 pitchers and they are almost all shot before September. It is amazing evolution. 

[willie key]

Just now, Bulldogboy said:

I will never understand what has occurred in baseball today. When I was coming up each team had 10 pitchers. 5 starters 5 bullpen. The Brewers have 13 pitchers and they are almost all shot before September. It is amazing evolution. 

It’s ridiculous.    Pitchers need to pitch.    

[adambr2]

Vaughn rocking his White Sox jersey today.

[Bulldogboy]

Just now, willie key said:

It’s ridiculous.    Pitchers need to pitch.    

And they have used about 25 so far. Teams would get through the season with 12-13.

[ReverendBrewmeister]

Even if this ends up in a crazy slugfest comeback, there needs to be another 6 innings covered from the pitching staff. That's an uphill climb going into Toronto. 

[Nola Beery]

2 minutes ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

replace bad with tired - basically the same either way and generally agreed.

Sounds weird to say since you always want to play to win every day - but in the grand scheme of things this ballgame feels like one the Brewers would almost be better off punting/getting pasted if it means saving their key pen arms.  Who do they have in the pen today that can wear 4ish innings before Seigler comes in to mop up on the mound?

I hope Seigler is worth more than that! .....not sure yet.....

[adambr2]

Collins is so freaking clutch.

[Nola Beery]

But hey, we're still scrapping.

[Bulldogboy]

Huge hit. Gotta keep grinding 

[BruisedCrew]

That error really opened the door.

Does this mean the DBacks will answer with 6?

[Brian]

Jansen no better than Haase so far. 

[willie key]

Just now, Brian said:

Jansen no better than Haase so far. 

Haase might run into one everyone in awhile

[Brian]

Q will be done after this inning just on pitch count.

[Fear The Chorizo]

Just now, Bulldogboy said:

I will never understand what has occurred in baseball today. When I was coming up each team had 10 pitchers. 5 starters 5 bullpen. The Brewers have 13 pitchers and they are almost all shot before September. It is amazing evolution. 

Not really - pitchers aren't developed/trained anymore to be able to get outs with 80% effort in order to log 250+ innings a season while pitching 120+ pitches a start.  Nowadays I'd say over 90% of MLB pitchers go max effort, all the time - and they are expendable.

And It's not that the Brewers' staff is any more shot than their competitors, either - guys like Hall, Henderson going down really do hurt depth to avoid blowup innings.  The issue is there has been zero days off for this staff for way beyond what the schedule typically provides, which gives these guys an extra day collectively to refresh.  MLB has a scheduling problem with how frequent the early season off days are (to help avoid too many weather issues in April/May) compared to summer/down the stretch, and what having to schedule double headers or eliminate some of those late season off days does to teams in August / September.

[BruisedCrew]

8 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

I will never understand what has occurred in baseball today. When I was coming up each team had 10 pitchers. 5 starters 5 bullpen. The Brewers have 13 pitchers and they are almost all shot before September. It is amazing evolution. 

One big difference is that SP now often come out throwing all out in the first inning instead of “pitching” with some sense of pacing themselves through a game. 
 

Throwing 100 MPH and mixing in breaking balls with extreme “spin rates” puts a lot more stress on a human arm.

[BruisedCrew]

2 minutes ago, Brian said:

Q will be done after this inning just on pitch count.

He should still be able to throw underhanded. 

[OldSchoolSnapper]

4 minutes ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

Not really - pitchers aren't developed/trained anymore to be able to get outs with 80% effort in order to log 250+ innings a season while pitching 120+ pitches a start.  Nowadays I'd say over 90% of MLB pitchers go max effort, all the time - and they are expendable.

And It's not that the Brewers' staff is any more shot than their competitors, either - guys like Hall, Henderson going down really do hurt depth to avoid blowup innings.  The issue is there has been zero days off for this staff for way beyond what the schedule typically provides, which gives these guys an extra day collectively to refresh.  MLB has a scheduling problem with how frequent the early season off days are (to help avoid too many weather issues in April/May) compared to summer/down the stretch, and what having to schedule double headers or eliminate some of those late season off days does to teams in August / September.

This is why I think we are inevitably headed to 7 innings.

[Team Canada]

2 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

This is why I think we are inevitably headed to 7 innings.

That'll never happen. Think of the impact on counting stats. Even more unlikely than decreasing from 162.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

2 minutes ago, Team Canada said:

That'll never happen. Think of the impact on counting stats. Even more unlikely than decreasing from 162.

I used to think that. They have shown really no hesitation to throwing all sorts of goofy changes around.

[Fear The Chorizo]

2 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

This is why I think we are inevitably headed to 7 innings.

I sure hope not - this isn't summer legion baseball for highschoolers...my preference would be for pitching to reinvent itself and get back more to pitching to contact.  If that means altering field dimensions, I'm much more for that than altering the rules of the game being 27 outs over 9 innings.

 

I do think MLB could dramatically reduce these stresses by doing nothing different besides starting its 162 game regular season one week earlier with a focus on warm climate ballparks or teams with domes hosting the first games - that way you can more readily bake in an extra week's worth of off days from April through September.  Spring training is already kind of a joke and probably a bit too long for the actual MLB players ramping up for the regular season.

[willie key]

7 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

This is why I think we are inevitably headed to 7 innings.

The pendulum will swing the other way.   Teams will teach their starters to go longer.   You need 30 pitchers a year to finish.    Plus you rely a lot of bad relievers to get you through games

[BruisedCrew]

Ugh. 2 out bunt.

[82brewcrew82]

Stupid bunting.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I don't get the 2-out bunting with a guy on first and a hitter with legit power at the plate.