Packers 2025 regular season

[CheezWizHed]

4 hours ago, JosephC said:

Obviously not definitive, but based on the Bears game, it looks like it is "primarily" Brooks/Brinson at 3-technique and Wooden/Phillips at nose tackle.

Also, since Bo Melton has played 56 snaps at wide receiver and 0 snaps as a defensive back this season, can the Packers just go back to listing him as a WR?

What about short yardage situations?  Any cases of Wooden playing 3 with another NT?  Or Wooden at DE? I'm guessing one of the four NTs is going to leave the roster soon (Stackhouse?), but even having three NTs seems to indicate that Wooden might get flexed elsewhere in certain situations.  Especially with Brooks being a poor run defender. 

Also Bohanna will probably change the depth chart (again) with a full week of practice. 

[JosephC]

6 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

What about short yardage situations?  Any cases of Wooden playing 3 with another NT?  Or Wooden at DE? I'm guessing one of the four NTs is going to leave the roster soon (Stackhouse?),

That's why I used terms like "not definitive" and "primarily."  There are always going to be situation in ballgame, whether it be rotating guys to different spots due to player fatigue or simple down-and-distance, where players are going to get bumped to a different spot for a few snaps here or there.  But in this last game, it looks like Brooks and Brinson were the 3-techniques and Wooden and Phillips were the nose tackles.

[CheezWizHed]

13 hours ago, JosephC said:

That's why I used terms like "not definitive" and "primarily."  There are always going to be situation in ballgame, whether it be rotating guys to different spots due to player fatigue or simple down-and-distance, where players are going to get bumped to a different spot for a few snaps here or there.  But in this last game, it looks like Brooks and Brinson were the 3-techniques and Wooden and Phillips were the nose tackles.

Sorry, I wasn't trying to dispel anything you were saying. I was legit curious if they were using Wooden at the 3 technique (or DE) in short yardage... I was hoping you might've had a source (and/or too lazy to go look myself 😉).  

[LouisEly]

Phillips?

Riley was getting snaps with Wooden at NT.  Bohanna and Stackhouse were inactive.

[JosephC]

3 hours ago, LouisEly said:

Phillips?

Riley was getting snaps with Wooden at NT.  Bohanna and Stackhouse were inactive.

For some reason I keep thinking of Jordan Phillips, who was another huge DT that played college ball at Oklahoma and was a 2nd round pick of Dolphins back in 2015.  I know Riley is a different guy who is younger and played his college ball at Oregon, but for some reason I keep calling him Phillips.

[HarryDoyle]

Here's a great video from Mike Florio and Chris Simms on the subject of dearth of holding penalties this season against Parsons.

 

[BrewerFan]

On 12/9/2025 at 12:33 PM, CheezWizHed said:

Sorry, I wasn't trying to dispel anything you were saying. I was legit curious if they were using Wooden at the 3 technique (or DE) in short yardage... I was hoping you might've had a source (and/or too lazy to go look myself 😉).  

There's been short yardage where they'd had Wooden, Brinson, Brooks...and before he got hurt Wyatt or when he's been active Stackhouse in. 

Anyway, here's a good breakdown of Brinson. 

He reminds me a little bit of Mike Daniels. Just...tough and plays the right way. Brings a little attitude. 

DL play is so underrated unless you're a Jevon Carter and getting after the passer, or Aaron Donald, but the down in and down out stuff they have to do is what makes the whole defense go. I'd still have DL #3 on our list of needs behind just general OL, CB after this year given the injury to Wyatt.

One guy I'd look at in FA if he's cheap(TJ Slaton cheap) would be Teair Tart. He's been dominant vs the run in every game I've seen him play. With the cap issues, I would jump on 2/20M if he would take it. Maybe a void year or 3, but I'm  guessing he'll get closer to 3/45. 

Either way, right now, this is what we need from guys on this team;

 

[da swedish german]

this "vague" approach to applying the rules is clear evidence of the league influncing games. especially now in the age of d bag gambling 

what is a catch? nobody knows......only the people standing to make a lot of money

[adambr2]

If MLF had to play in the same postseason system as his predecessors (top 6 teams per conference, not 7), he would be in danger of missing the postseason for the 4th consecutive year now.

Man is still living off a reputation that was established mostly with Aaron Rodgers here.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

1 hour ago, adambr2 said:

If MLF had to play in the same postseason system as his predecessors (top 6 teams per conference, not 7), he would be in danger of missing the postseason for the 4th consecutive year now.

Man is still living off a reputation that was established mostly with Aaron Rodgers here.

He's a good offensive coordinator playing a terrible HC and yesterday's infirmary will keep him here another season. Yay.

[BrewerFan]

On 12/13/2025 at 10:32 AM, da swedish german said:

this "vague" approach to applying the rules is clear evidence of the league influncing games. especially now in the age of d bag gambling 

what is a catch? nobody knows......only the people standing to make a lot of money

It's a LOT better than it was ~10 years ago. 

I still can't believe that Dez Bryant catch wasn't a catch or the famous Calvin Johnson catch. Or there was a TE, I think it was the Bengals, but he caught the ball and was reaching out over the goal line and they ruled that a non-catch.

The whole "football move" part makes it complicated. 

 

Watching Twitter argue over the Wicks catch vs the Bears, they would definitely agree with you(I thought that was a catch... but I'm biased). 

[HarryDoyle]

If all the other injuries are not serious and we can get all those guys back, I still think we have a legitimate shot to win the division, even if we do lose to the Bears. We have the much easier schedule the final two weeks of the season, so us beating the Ravens and Vikings while the Bears lose to the Niners and Lions is certainly not out of the question. The only thing that's concerning is that the defense has to step up, and I have a feeling they won't. As strange as it seems, you could make an argument that last year's defense without Micah is better than this years. We're certainly not creating turnovers the way we did last year. We're averaging 21 points allowed over the past five games. That has to change. Either that or Love is going to have to go full Toyotathon and win those games.

[igor67]

If Watson is still around there's a chance the offense can just get hot in the playoffs. Not likely, but worth still tuning in. Stats wise Nix looked like it was hands down the better game, but Love was making some crazy good throws, and we kept missing pick chances so in some ways the game could have easily been a 40 something-20 something  route

[OldSchoolSnapper]

The Lions are probably going to be eliminated by the time they play the Bears especially considering we swept them. They just aren't very good anymore. They missed the window and now the core is old or the remnants of injuries. The wind is completely out of my sails, but the North championship game is this weekend.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

16 hours ago, HarryDoyle said:

As strange as it seems, you could make an argument that last year's defense without Micah is better than this years. We're certainly not creating turnovers the way we did last year. We're averaging 21 points allowed over the past five games. That has to change. 

How is that strange? It was unequivocally better. It's the same unit minus Slaton, Clark, Wyatt and Stokes, who would be the best corner on this year's team. It's not even close. Last year's defense was a top 10 defense. They slowed down Philly more than any other team in the playoffs. 

Love playing 2023 stretch run is the only remote chance this team has. There will be at least one playoff game where they need to score 40. I don't see it happening - he might play that well, but they are going to get repeatedly scorched.

Edit: NVM, I see you meant they were better than this year's team with Micah. Which, ehhh, the total stats may suggest that, but last year's team tended to pad numbers and take care of bad teams, but they never did anything in a big game. Micah was every bit the difference maker he was billed to be. When they needed pressure, he got it.

[homer]

Aside from the Lovey Smith-era Bears’ knack for forcing fumbles, turnovers in football are highly variable and largely driven by luck.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

7 minutes ago, homer said:

Aside from the Lovey Smith-era Bears’ knack for forcing fumbles, turnovers in football are highly variable and largely driven by luck.

Ehhh, that's about half true. Fumbles yes, have always been about 95% random event. There is basically no evidence that teams have been able to repeat their ability to recover fumbles. Interceptions much less so. That is a much more skill-based play. There are certainly a good number of lucky INTs every year, but some QBs are a lot more prone to them than others. You can influence the frequency of poor decisions and throws with pressure. What's more, I would say the biggest thing plaguing the Packers in that regard is that they simply have not caught the opportunities. When you have a Charles Woodson or Darren Sharper, it's hard to say the interceptions are lucky when they are consistently grabbing them out of the air.

[homer]

Just now, OldSchoolSnapper said:

Ehhh, that's about half true. Fumbles yes, have always been about 95% random event. There is basically no evidence that teams have been able to repeat their ability to recover fumbles. Interceptions much less so. That is a much more skill-based play. There are certainly a good number of lucky INTs every year, but some QBs are a lot more prone to them than others. You can influence the frequency of poor decisions and throws with pressure. What's more, I would say the biggest thing plaguing the Packers in that regard is that they simply have not caught the opportunities. When you have a Charles Woodson or Darren Sharper, it's hard to say the interceptions are lucky when they are consistently grabbing them out of the air.

Yeah some of generating a TO is skill based but it's largely driven by luck as I said (not 100%). The entire last part of your post is related to luck. Dropping or catching an INT is lucky.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

56 minutes ago, homer said:

Yeah some of generating a TO is skill based but it's largely driven by luck as I said (not 100%). The entire last part of your post is related to luck. Dropping or catching an INT is lucky.

Is it? I guess sometimes it is, yeah. I think the best CBs have a knack for baiting and catching the ball, which is a skill. Prior to playing the Bears, we didn't have a CB interception this year. That's gotta be pretty bad.

[CheezWizHed]

On 12/15/2025 at 10:24 AM, BrewerFan said:

It's a LOT better than it was ~10 years ago. 

I still can't believe that Dez Bryant catch wasn't a catch or the famous Calvin Johnson catch. Or there was a TE, I think it was the Bengals, but he caught the ball and was reaching out over the goal line and they ruled that a non-catch.

The whole "football move" part makes it complicated. 

 

Watching Twitter argue over the Wicks catch vs the Bears, they would definitely agree with you(I thought that was a catch... but I'm biased). 

Dez Bryant and Calvin Johnson "catches" were correctly called by the refs... but they were following a dumb set of rules defining the "catch".  That wasn't the refs' fault. 

 

On 12/13/2025 at 10:32 AM, da swedish german said:

this "vague" approach to applying the rules is clear evidence of the league influncing games. especially now in the age of d bag gambling 

what is a catch? nobody knows......only the people standing to make a lot of money

Agreed. I see gambling ruining sports eventually.  We already see negative side effects on individuals (either correctly or incorrectly being accused) and on games overall.  To say there isn't anything going on with so much $$$ flying around is naive. 

[adambr2]

How does a man who literally never even plays football somehow the most frequently injured person on the team?

[yourout]

would be interesting to see a comparison of teams $$$$ sitting on IR

[madbad2000]

1 hour ago, yourout said:

would be interesting to see a comparison of teams $$$$ sitting on IR

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/injured/_/year/2025

 

I didn't verify numbers or method, but a quick search had something to start the discussion.  

[SeaBass]

14 hours ago, adambr2 said:

How does a man who literally never even plays football somehow the most frequently injured person on the team?

I've had him stashed on my dynasty fantasy league team the last two seasons and I could keep him for 2 more but I'm dropping him. Even at just $2 he isn't worth it.

[CheezWizHed]

15 hours ago, adambr2 said:

How does a man who literally never even plays football somehow the most frequently injured person on the team?