Game 4, IF necessary of course

[Ryno23]

Once again, Diehard cub fan here, long time stalker of the site but hardly post. I'm curious to know your thoughts on what the Brewers will do if we happened to get a win tonight and force a game four. Do you think they will start Peralta in game 4 to try to seal the series and then have him able to pitcher game 2 in the NLCS or will they try to get a win out of Quintana in game 4 and then have Peralta ready to go in game one of the NLCS? 

[tmwiese55]

your guess is as good as anyone else's.   If I had to guess, I'd think they go with Peralta in game 4 to do their best to end it.  Combining that with the same logic as what happened in game 2, I think they'd rather the bullpen type day happens at home as it makes rookies like Miz, Patrick, Gasser more comfortable.    Who knows though.  And I'm sure depends on how much the BP gets used today in a loss

[liveforoctober]

Uecker is throwing tonight. Peralta will get Gm 1 against LA.

Welcome to the site!

[StearnsFTW]

24 minutes ago, tmwiese55 said:

your guess is as good as anyone else's.   If I had to guess, I'd think they go with Peralta in game 4 to do their best to end it.  Combining that with the same logic as what happened in game 2, I think they'd rather the bullpen type day happens at home as it makes rookies like Miz, Patrick, Gasser more comfortable.    Who knows though.  And I'm sure depends on how much the BP gets used today in a loss

I completely agree with all of this.

 

[Playing Catch]

22 minutes ago, StearnsFTW said:

I completely agree with all of this.

 

It seems to me that the Brewers have demonstrated a belief in being flexible with their pitching. In-game decisions, I think, are pretty scripted, but I think they are pretty flexible day-to-day, and rely heavily on their coaches and trainers to be really keyed-in to knowing when guys can extend themselves, or when they need to back off. Not just in terms of arm-health, but in terms of effectiveness.

[Brian]

1 hour ago, Ryno23 said:

Once again, Diehard cub fan here, long time stalker of the site but hardly post. I'm curious to know your thoughts on what the Brewers will do if we happened to get a win tonight and force a game four. Do you think they will start Peralta in game 4 to try to seal the series and then have him able to pitcher game 2 in the NLCS or will they try to get a win out of Quintana in game 4 and then have Peralta ready to go in game one of the NLCS? 

Teddy Higuera then Dan Plesac and Rollie Fingers to close the deal. 

[Playing Catch]

8 minutes ago, Brian said:

Teddy Higuera then Dan Plesac and Rollie Fingers to close the deal. 

Are you sure Plesac isn't playing for the Cubs?

Makes me think of what the all-time Brewer/Cub roster may look like. I think we know who would manage, and Chris Bosio may qualify as a player-coach. Aramis Ramirez, Henry Blanco. Pat Hughes on the call.

[Brian]

2 minutes ago, Playing Catch said:

Are you sure Plesac isn't playing for the Cubs?

No, Dan Plesac is SHOCKED Brewers are dominating Chicago Cubs. 

[Frisbee Slider]

Peralta on normal rest for game 4, seems straightforward
 

[SeaBass]

32 minutes ago, Playing Catch said:

I think we know who would manage

Dale Sveum?

[torts]

7 hours ago, SeaBass said:

Dale Sveum?

Raging ron 

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

Alright, so the SP decision is legitimately tough. The argument for Freddy is: he's our best pitcher, it's a close out game, and he's on regular rest. Do you really want to mess around?

The argument for a bullpen game is: Freddy's a fly ball pitcher with the wind blowing out (it appears), the off day on Friday will make everyone available for Game 5, on reasonable rest even if you lose, and maybe Freddy's better on six days rest rather than 4, since that's closer to his regular season routine.

You can probably get 27 outs from some combo of Ashby, Mis (his side day anyway), Megill, Uribe, Koenig (an out or two), Mears (maybe with a clean inning for once), and maybe you throw Gasser or Anderson early. 

I think I would lean toward BP game, but it's one of those calls where there's no right answer, and everyone will call you a genius if your choice works and a fool if it doesn't. It's why these guys get paid their salaries. I'm not going to worry about it either way. The org's earned some trust on this (and it will be an organizational choice).

I'm actually more interested in this from the Cubs perspective. What would you do, @Ryno23?

Boyd is the first name that comes to mind, but throwing a lefty just makes Murph's lineup choices SO easy. You start Vaughn at first, Perkins in CF (on his better side of the plate), and feel great about your platoon advantages with Ortiz and Durbin. Hell, you could give Danny Jansen an AB in a big spot early if you really wanted. Plus, Boyd looks Shaun Marcum level fading right now and the Brewers have done a number on him a few times this year. Maybe having 4 days rest helps, but you figure he's only giving you 3-4 innings either way, right? 

If I'm CC, I'm starting a right-handed opener. Probably Soroka, but I could see Rea too. The real out of the box choice is Civale, which sounds crazy, but the guy has been really good and already twirled against the Brewers in Game 1. He's on full rest and might actually give you a little more length than Boyd. You could perhaps make a similar argument with Ben Brown, though likely for 2 innings instead of 3 or 4.

Soroka is probably the easiest choice to defend. But honestly? I'd be real tempted to go with Civale and play to win the game rather than the press conference. As a Brewer fan, if saw Civale starting, I'd immediately think we were going to have zero runs in the 5th inning. That's probably an exaggeration, but I think it would the gutsiest move CC could make. I don't want to see that dude on the mound in Game 4.

[BruisedCrew]

9 hours ago, Frisbee Slider said:

Peralta on normal rest for game 4, seems straightforward
 

I think anything else would be definitive proof that Murphy’ is not a “master class” manager. 

When you have a chance to put a team away with your clear top SP going on normal rest you have to take it. 

If you win he can come back again on normal rest in Game 2 of the NLCS. If you lose then you go to an all hands on deck bullpen game on Saturday. 

[bm1090]

I went from Peralta no brainer to preferring a bullpen game.

[bm1090]

6 minutes ago, BruisedCrew said:

I think anything else would be definitive proof that Murphy’ is not a “master class” manager. 

When you have a chance to put a team away with your clear top SP going on normal rest you have to take it. 

If you win he can come back again on normal rest in Game 2 of the NLCS. If you lose then you go to an all hands on deck bullpen game on Saturday. 

If you go bullpen game you have Peralta for game 5 and a rested pen.

If you win the bullpen game you get Peralta in game 1 of the NLCS.

My preference depends on the wind. If it truly is blowing out I’d prefer a bullpen game 

[BruisedCrew]

7 hours ago, bm1090 said:

If you go bullpen game you have Peralta for game 5 and a rested pen.

If you win the bullpen game you get Peralta in game 1 of the NLCS.

My preference depends on the wind. If it truly is blowing out I’d prefer a bullpen game 

How do you have a more rested pen on Saturday with a bullpen game today than if you start Peralta today?

And who would the bullpen game pitchers even be after several of them pitched multiple innings yesterday.?

Putting a pivotal game in the hands of Misioroski and Gasser seems extremely reckless. 

The Weather Channel forecast calls for a wind of 7 MPH .out of the SSE at 8 PM. A “wind” of 7 MPH is barely noticeable and SSE is more foul pole to foul pole than blowing out. It’s more like the absence of a wind blowing in. 

I’m going on record as saying that, unless there is some unknown physical reason for Peralta not to pitch tonight, I’m going to be pretty peeved if he doesn’t start.
 

 

[adambr2]

Peralta for his career does fine on extra rest, even better than normal rest, so he’s not a pitcher that absolutely needs to be on normal rest. He, like most pitchers, is better at home than on the road, but not by a huge margin.

I think an argument can be made either way. My inclination would be to pitch Peralta today and go with your best lineup that gives you the best opportunity to score runs. 

My main train of thought is to do whatever we need to do to win this game. If you think that’s Peralta, then use him. If not, then go with a bullpen game. But the main driver should be whatever gives us the best chance to win today. Not “what are we going to do for Game 5 if we don’t win today?” Forget about game 5. Win today.

[adambr2]

9 hours ago, bm1090 said:

If you go bullpen game you have Peralta for game 5 and a rested pen.

If you win the bullpen game you get Peralta in game 1 of the NLCS.

My preference depends on the wind. If it truly is blowing out I’d prefer a bullpen game 

I look at it this way. 

To keep this from going 5, you need to win in a hostile environment, in a playoff game. That is going to be tough for most pitchers, and some, very tough.

I would rather trust our staff ace and 8 year veteran who has been in all these situations before, for that task, than a random collection of mostly young relievers. And if we have to go to those guys, I’d rather do it at home where they can be more comfortable.

Miz, for example, was effective at home, though it was dicey at first. Does anyone really have any faith that Miz, if called upon for a couple innings tonight at Wrigley, isn’t going to completely lose it?

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Peralta should get the start. But it's very easy to imagine him at 90 pitches in 3 innings. Everyone is nervous as they should be, I think that tends to make people exaggerate everyone's flaws as a legitimate reason they shouldn't get the ball. But you go with the horse that got you here to try and end this thing now. And honestly, I don't really have less faith in Miz than anybody else.

[CheezWizHed]

Yesterday burnt Quintana, Patrick, and Priester as our long arms in the BP.  Doing another BP game means you want Ashby and Miz to pitch a second game in the series before Peralta does... 

No, pitch Peralta in Game 4. 

If he pitches tonight, you'd still have him (on regular rest) for NLCS Game 2+Game 6 and then cued up for WS Game #1 .

Yes... I'm looking that far ahead.

[adambr2]

Honest question — if we lose tonight, where is everyone going to be on the spectrum of “we still got this” on one side to “we’re screwed” on the opposite side?

[Team Canada]

Let's move discussion into the G4 thread.