Diamondbacks (Kelly) vs Brewers (Patrick): 4/28/26, 6:40pm

[jason21nl]

3 minutes ago, da swedish german said:

when someone has half a dozen wrong in a row, then i'll care/even notice

what are your major league stats?

Hahahaha.  Go away.  

[da swedish german]

1 minute ago, jason21nl said:

Hahahaha.  Go away.  

bring on the automated batters!

[Jopal78]

1 hour ago, jay87shot said:

I would guess that he sticks around at least until Yeli is back. At that point there will probably be enough proof one way or another to keep him as a 5th OF/backup DH/occasional 1b/and mostly pinch hitter. Who knows what the injury situation looks like at that point. With 5 hits in the last 2 games he should play everyday for a week until Vaughn and Chourio are back. I would think Jones and Perkins get sent down when they get back if Black is hitting well still.

Yeah, you could be right. Clearly Perkins is a fringe major leaguer so playing once a week isn’t going to make much impact. If the organization still views black as someone who might be a regular contributor in the future, they probably want him to play every day than be a soft platoon getting at bats here and there. Time will tell.

[Brian]

14 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

Yeah, you could be right. Clearly Perkins is a fringe major leaguer so playing once a week isn’t going to make much impact. If the organization still views black as someone who might be a regular contributor in the future, they probably want him to play every day than be a soft platoon getting at bats here and there. Time will tell.

I would ride Tyler Black at least until his average drops below .250 or so.  MLB hitters have always been streaky, so we need to ride the wave until the wave is gone. Also, yes Jones has been awful. 

[jay87shot]

9 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

Yeah, you could be right. Clearly Perkins is a fringe major leaguer so playing once a week isn’t going to make much impact. If the organization still views black as someone who might be a regular contributor in the future, they probably want him to play every day than be a soft platoon getting at bats here and there. Time will tell.

I think alot will depends on how Vaughn, Bauers, Adams, and Burke play this year. If Bauers is just ok, I like Black in the Bauers role next year. If Vaughn if rough I could see Black getting a chance to take over 1B. However if Burke and Adams both take off I think both have more potential at this point and make next year more interesting. It is good to see there being some path for him.

[SeaBass]

5 minutes ago, Brian said:

I would ride Tyler Black at least until his average drops below .250 or so.  MLB hitters have always been streaky, so we need to ride the wave until the wave is gone. Also, yes Jones has been awful. 

There are only 5 regular players on the team right now hitting over .250. Brandon Lockridge and his 81 OPS+ is one of them and an injured Yelich is one of the others.

Batting average is really not what they should be looking at when making a determination. Batting average doesn't mean much in this age of baseball, not by itself.

[Brian]

36 minutes ago, SeaBass said:

There are only 5 regular players on the team right now hitting over .250. Brandon Lockridge and his 81 OPS+ is one of them and an injured Yelich is one of the others.

Batting average is really not what they should be looking at when making a determination. Batting average doesn't mean much in this age of baseball, not by itself.

Not by its self I agree with.  But, 

It definitely means more than what you claiming because the 3 lowest averages on the Brewers are Greg Jones, Blake Perkins and Luis Rengifo.  Greg Jones has no business even being on this team at this time. When we played against the Pirates he looked like he was having a survival mode adrenalin rush panic attack at the plate. 

[SeaBass]

22 minutes ago, Brian said:

Not by its self I agree with.  But, 

It definitely means more than what you claiming because the 3 lowest averages on the Brewers are Greg Jones, Blake Perkins and Luis Rengifo.  Greg Jones has no business even being on this team at this time. When we played against the Pirates he looked like he was having a survival mode adrenalin rush panic attack at the plate. 

Sure for guys hitting .200 or below but honestly even then I would need to look at other stats for those guys to confirm they are actually as bad as advertised, so again that pretty much negates the usefulness of referencing batting average to make a point.

Using simple OPS or even giving the simple slash line of, as an example, Brandon Lockridge .254/.338/.296 tells a more complete story if you don't want to get into the OPS+ side of things.

Luis Arraez is kind of the poster boy for batting average being misleading. He is continuously above or only slightly below .300 at any given time in his career. Yet he barely contributes beyond the ability to hit singles. Doesn't draw walks particularly well, doesn't hit many home runs, steal many bases, drive in many runs or even score very many runs when you consider how well he hits. He has very nearly, but not quite, empty stats. He's not a great defender either. He literally just hits singles and some doubles here and there but not proportionately to how often he hits. Some people call him one of the worst .300 hitters in the history of baseball.

[Playing Catch]

1 hour ago, jay87shot said:

I think alot will depends on how Vaughn, Bauers, Adams, and Burke play this year. If Bauers is just ok, I like Black in the Bauers role next year. If Vaughn if rough I could see Black getting a chance to take over 1B. However if Burke and Adams both take off I think both have more potential at this point and make next year more interesting. It is good to see there being some path for him.

Granted, I've liked Burke since he was drafted, but I think he's got the goods to play first base by June '27, probably in a platoon with Adams.

I think Black's best hope is that he performs well enough to get traded for, and has a career like Jake Bauers, where he fills a specific roster-role.

[Brian]

1 hour ago, SeaBass said:

Sure for guys hitting .200 or below but honestly even then I would need to look at other stats for those guys to confirm they are actually as bad as advertised, so again that pretty much negates the usefulness of referencing batting average to make a point.

Using simple OPS or even giving the simple slash line of, as an example, Brandon Lockridge .254/.338/.296 tells a more complete story if you don't want to get into the OPS+ side of things.

Luis Arraez is kind of the poster boy for batting average being misleading. He is continuously above or only slightly below .300 at any given time in his career. Yet he barely contributes beyond the ability to hit singles. Doesn't draw walks particularly well, doesn't hit many home runs, steal many bases, drive in many runs or even score very many runs when you consider how well he hits. He has very nearly, but not quite, empty stats. He's not a great defender either. He literally just hits singles and some doubles here and there but not proportionately to how often he hits. Some people call him one of the worst .300 hitters in the history of baseball.

Well, I'm not really a Luis Arraez fan but I was a Rod Carew fan growing up.  Hard to believe Rod is 80 years old. 

[SeaBass]

17 minutes ago, Brian said:

Well, I'm not really a Luis Arraez fan but I was a Rod Carew fan growing up.  Hard to believe Rod is 80 years old. 

Yes! Just having speed/baserunning and the ability to draw walks significantly ups the value! He was just a better hitter too.

[Jim French Stepstool]

6 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

It’s too bad Black isn’t viable at 3B, he’d already have gotten his shot to be a regular. But he’s not going to play regularly over Chourio, Mitchell, Frelick, Yelich and Vaughn once(if) they’re all healthy. So then they probably ship him back to AAA to play everyday instead of pinch hitting and spot starts. 
 

Maybe if Vaughn lays an egg this year and gets non-tendered that would open up a spot for Black. Otherwise his best path is taking over the Jake Bauers role next year 1B and OF reserve 

I could see him possibly staying up here & playing sparingly as opposed to some other candidates. A lot of that would depend on his work ethic/preparedness on a daily basis AFA being able to 'stay ready' w/o regular ABs. Agree with your other points 100%.

[liveforoctober]

I'm joking/not joking but having Black's plate discipline/contact ability on the bench JUST to pinch hit for Ortiz for the remaining 45 bases loaded at bats he will get yet this year is probably worth +25 runs to us and worth the roster spot.

Blue?

[Jim French Stepstool]

8 minutes ago, liveforoctober said:

I'm joking/not joking but having Black's plate discipline/contact ability on the bench JUST to pinch hit for Ortiz for the remaining 45 bases loaded at bats he will get yet this year is probably worth +25 runs to us and worth the roster spot.

Blue?

Blue? Heck no. It's impossible to put numbers on it AFA how many runs it's worth but he absolutely could be an influence as a hitter for Ortiz, bases loaded or not.

[TURBO]

Play Black, hope he performs, then trade him at the deadline?

He just doesn't have a position, and when Yelich returns, what do we do with Black then?