Packers 2022 Discussion Thread

[Joseph Zarr]

A Rodg and Braun are both "love em if they're yours, hate them if they're not" type guys. Giannis is generally quite likeable. Yelich is very likeable too, although I'd like him much more if he didn't suck now.

 

LOL. Oh man...one of the plus sides of this MLB lockout is I literally have not spent one second thinking about the demise of Yelich. Man, what a tragic fall from the Peak. That knee injury - which probably led to the back injury - just wrecked him. What a terrible turn of events for the Brewers and, consequently, us as fans.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Well, that's definitely not a league consensus because Green Bay isn't getting a 1 for Love and other QBs will go in the 1st this year.

 

Whichever rookie QB(s) go in the 1st round this year will be in the 1st year of their contracts, Love will be in the 3rd year of his contract.

 

A player's talent isn't the only thing that determines their value.

 

That cuts both ways, Love has 2 years of NFL experience and would therefore likely be considered more "ready" than most rookie starters.

 

That's a bit of a stretch. Without a slam dunk QB in the draft even the first one picked is likely to be a bit of project. Love has experience but not a whole lot of game action. It is full of nuance and much more situational than you are making it out to be. "League consensus" means what anyway? All 32 teams? 17 teams? If 5 think there is someone better than Love and 4 of them are thinking QB that affects what the Packers would be able to do. If the Bengals think Love is better than anyone in the draft that doesn't mean they're trading a 1st for Love.

[Outlander]

Been hearing for months how impossible it was to franchise tag Adams since the Packers are too much over the cap but the obvious tagging of Adams happened as well.

[adambr2]

Been hearing for months how impossible it was to franchise tag Adams since the Packers are too much over the cap but the obvious tagging of Adams happened as well.

 

Can you quote anyone who said tagging Adams was impossible?

 

Being difficult and having to have A, B, C happen for it to be possible isn't the same as being impossible.

[CheezWizHed]

I predict Love will or will not be traded with a potential return somewhere between 3 first round picks and a 2030 UDFA. Take that one to the bank.

 

I still think that it doesn't make sense to trade Love. Needing a good backup for a 38 yo QB and the potential long term QB need outweighs the potential return (unless it really is 3 first round picks...or 2...or 1). Plus, I'd put money down that Love's pick provided a bit of motivation for Rodgers and part of his resurgence. Hard to prove, but...

[CheezWizHed]

Been hearing for months how impossible it was to franchise tag Adams since the Packers are too much over the cap but the obvious tagging of Adams happened as well.

 

Can you quote anyone who said tagging Adams was impossible?

 

Being difficult and having to have A, B, C happen for it to be possible isn't the same as being impossible.

 

Let's not rehash it, please. It was bad enough discussion back then, no need to rehash it all for an "I told you so" discussion.

[Fear The Chorizo]

I'd be happy with a 3rd. I don't think anyone is giving a 2nd for Love.

 

I don't think the Packers trade Love for just a 2nd (particularly one not towards the top of that round) even if at this point many would view that as good value for him, so we'll never know...he's too valuable as a backup QB option in his 3rd year of development in this system with a ~$3.4M cap number for 2022.

[SeaBass]

Adams has officially been franchised. Egg on the face of a few that were adamant that it wouldn't happen due to cap constraints.

 

It was my mindset and I stated that it would be difficult to tag Adams and would require, among other things, a long-term extension from Rodgers to free up salary.

 

It was also my position that if they did tag Adams, it would be with the intent of extending him to a long-term contract, not trading him.

 

IMO that is all pretty much exactly consistent with what has occurred.

Considering that everyone expected Rodgers was either going to sign a new deal or get traded that pretty much means nothing.

 

If Rodgers had been traded there'd be room to fit a tagged Adams and potentially trade him if they preferred not to keep a high priced WR as a luxury on a team that had little chance to contend for anything in the immediate future. So I don't think anybody suggesting a tag and trade felt the team would trade Adams if Rodgers was going to remain a Packer.

[wallus]

Assuming it was on the table, I would have done the RW trade for Rodgers. Maybe get rid of the 4th round pick, add Jeudy for Adams as well.

 

I am worried this team is going to get very old, very fast with little cap room.

 

This is at least preferable to Rodgers retiring and getting nothing for him.

[adambr2]

I'd be happy with a 3rd. I don't think anyone is giving a 2nd for Love.

 

I don't think the Packers trade Love for just a 2nd (particularly one not towards the top of that round) even if at this point many would view that as good value for him, so we'll never know...he's too valuable as a backup QB option in his 3rd year of development in this system with a ~$3.4M cap number for 2022.

 

Meh. If you can get any 2nd I'd absolutely take it. You can get Cam Newton, Tyrod Taylor, Jacoby Brissett, etc for around the same cap number as that. I don't see how Love has shown he's a better option than any of these guys as a backup QB.

[Fear The Chorizo]

The Packers probably couldn't have gotten a 2nd round pick by trading Rodgers after his 2nd NFL season based on his larger body of onfield work, either.

[nate82]

Assuming it was on the table, I would have done the RW trade for Rodgers. Maybe get rid of the 4th round pick, add Jeudy for Adams as well.

 

I am worried this team is going to get very old, very fast with little cap room.

 

This is at least preferable to Rodgers retiring and getting nothing for him.

 

If the 4 $200m is correct which it may or may not be but if it is the Packers could be in real trouble if Rodgers retires after the 2022 season. Basically the Packers will be like the Saints are right now.

[adambr2]

I also don't know why anyone would assume the offer for Wilson would have been there for Rodgers, much less get an even better offer.

 

Wilson hasn't been as good in the recent year or two as Rodgers to be sure, but he is still young enough where you can build around him. Same with Stafford last year.

 

Rodgers could be a 1 and done. It's basically year to year. The 4 year contract is meaningless. Huge risk.

[adambr2]

The Packers probably couldn't have gotten a 2nd round pick by trading Rodgers after his 2nd NFL season based on his larger body of onfield work, either.

 

I don't think they ever intended to because he was always going to be their starter, eventually. Love likely now isn't the heir apparent. Teams won't get to see a large body of onfield work, period. So you either take what you can get or hold.

[Fear The Chorizo]

The Packers probably couldn't have gotten a 2nd round pick by trading Rodgers after his 2nd NFL season based on his larger body of onfield work, either.

 

I don't think they ever intended to because he was always going to be their starter, eventually. Love likely now isn't the heir apparent. Teams won't get to see a large body of onfield work, period. So you either take what you can get or hold.

 

Then you hold and don't worry about speculation of what his trade value is because you're not trading Love at this stage in his career unless you're getting more than a 2nd round pick.

 

Had Favre won consecutive MVPs in Rodgers' 1st two NFL seasons, people wouldn't have assumed Rodgers was the heir apparent. Hell, even after Favre sort of retired/was forced out TT drafted Brian Brohm in round 2 of the 2008 draft after handing the keys to Rodgers in case he fell on his face and GB didn't want to sign him to a new contract.

 

Bottom line to me is that if you've got a quarterback leading your franchise capable of winning league MVPs, regardless of age, you hitch your wagon to that guy and ride him as far as he'll take you provided he wants to be there. That's going to inevitably lead to having to clean up a roster mess when it is finally over with, but such is life in the NFL. Glad Rodgers and Adams are back in the fold and looking forward to the next ~8 days of roster moves to make it all fit.

[FVBrewerFan]

Been hearing for months how impossible it was to franchise tag Adams since the Packers are too much over the cap but the obvious tagging of Adams happened as well.

 

Just to be clear, tagging Adams IS impossible. Yes, they tagged him for now of course, procedural. But they can't go into the season with Adams at that franchise tag cap hit. Nor can they keep Rodgers at his current cap number.

 

Hopefully that's all been worked out and being finalized, otherwise more drama to come.

[Oxy]

It's gonna really suck when Rodgers retires on Labor day, 2022...just because...

[nodakfan17]

I’m resigned to having a ‘cap repair’ year (or two) whenever Rodgers retires or demands a trade. If done correctly, this can expedite the re-building process - let FAs walk and take the comp picks, trade guys who have value but won’t be on cheap contracts by the time you’re competitive again, and land a high pick by virtue of taking your medicine.

[Jenkins5]

Jim Nagy tweet out that he has heard from scouts in the league that Love could net a 2nd round pick if Packers wanted to get draft capital for him. Teams are always desperate for QBs. Love may have not been able to show much the past two seasons but he does now have two years experience, had a 1st round grade coming out, and is roughly the same age than many of the "top QBs" coming out this season.

 

Love is 23 (turns 24 in November). Looking at the other top guys:

Kenny Pickett is 23 (turns 24 in June) 5 months older

Matt Corral is 23 (24 in January) 2 months younger

Malik Willis is 22 (turns 23 in May) 7 months younger

Desmond Ridder 22 (turns 23 in August) about 9 months younger

Carson Strong 22 (turns 23 in September) 10 months younger

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Sam Howell 21 turns 22 in September

 

So for a team who needs a QB, you are getting a guy roughly the same age, with more experience and NFL coaching, for roughly equal to or less cost of what you would be drafting. This is not a great QB class at all. I honestly don't know if any of these guys are actually 1st round talents. If you need a guy who can start this year, Love may give you a better chance with at least equal ceiling to most of these guys.

[Jenkins5]

Packers have been pretty calm, collective, and confident about the cap all off-season. They have a plan and it will be very interesting to see how it plays out. Can't wait to see Rodgers hybrid contract details. You know it will be interesting when it is rumored to be a "team friendly" 4 year 200 million deal. If you can cut it from other spots, you can keep Adams on the tag but it will be very tough (going to have let others go that you wouldn't want to). It is a 20 million cap hit. He will not accept any deal that doesn't make him highest paid WR in the NFL so have to see how that all plays out.

[PeaveyFury]

I agree with the thought that trading Love isn't a thing the Packers have to do right now, but I do think there's a chance they could get an offer they can't pass up. Love is cheap and the draft class is categorized as 'uninspiring'. Add in the fact that Mitch Trubisky appears to be the best available FA QB, I don't think it's completely crazy to think a team like the Colts could realize that Wentz stinks and they're a QB away from a pretty good offense then choose to make an offer for Love that the Packers would consider.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Yeah, IDK. I originally said a 4th, but it just takes one team love his athleticism. So a 2nd wouldn't be totally shocking to me. I mean Favre got a 1st and had done literally nothing in the NFL. Totally different situation, but he's a QB and I guess you never know what could happen.

[CheezWizHed]

Something that just occurred to me on Love's contract. As a 1st round pick, he would have 3 years left on his contract. Since most of the QBs don't sound like they will go in the 1st round this year, they would all be on 4 year contracts. So basically, there is a difference of only 1 year of control.

[homer]

Something that just occurred to me on Love's contract. As a 1st round pick, he would have 3 years left on his contract. Since most of the QBs don't sound like they will go in the 1st round this year, they would all be on 4 year contracts. So basically, there is a difference of only 1 year of control.

 

I learned this morning that Love is younger than Pickett

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Something that just occurred to me on Love's contract. As a 1st round pick, he would have 3 years left on his contract. Since most of the QBs don't sound like they will go in the 1st round this year, they would all be on 4 year contracts. So basically, there is a difference of only 1 year of control.

 

So many who are comparing Rodgers/Love to Favre/Rodgers fail to remember that Rodgers actually sat for THREE years, and didn't really show franchise QB potential until his 3rd season. If the Packers choose to hang on to Love, we could very well have a very different perspective on this at this time next year.