2022 Trade Market

[brewers888]

12 hours ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

Ding ding ding! Hiura's nearly 50% K rate is an enormous black hole in the lineup, and probably the main reason he's playing in Nashville right now. Yeah, Hiura has power. But he certainly isn't the guy I want up to bat in a key situation late in a game.  

Everyone keeps talking about the strikeout rate and how his numbers were unsustainable but Keston deserved the chance to stay in the lineup until his actual stats started to slide. Analytics are great as a tool but the fact is Hiura was hitting despite the analytics saying he shouldn't and he deserved the chance to keep putting up good numbers.  

[Jopal78]

2 hours ago, LouisEly said:

The Brewers are desperate to find a centerfielder as well.

And who would Peralta replace on the roster?

Davis most likely. Does Brosseaue have options? Great player for Milwaukee but he only plays against lefties. If he has options I’d say his grip on the major league roster is tenuous with the deadline coming up. 

[LouisEly]

On 7/25/2022 at 8:31 PM, Jopal78 said:

Reynolds is 27, has an .848 career OPS, plays centerfield and is under team control through 2025.

He’s Christian Yelich circa 2017.  I’d give the Pirates all 3 without thinking much about it (not to mention acquiring Reynolds would effectively block Garret Mitchell, and Frelick until 2026 anyways).

I wouldn't give all three, but I'd give:

Their choice of Frelick/Mitchell
Wiemer (his last month and a half have been brutal... there's a chance they might be selling high here)
Their choice two of Hedbert Perez/Eduardo Garcia/Joe Gray/Carlos Rodriguez (OF)

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

11 hours ago, brewers888 said:

Everyone keeps talking about the strikeout rate and how his numbers were unsustainable but Keston deserved the chance to stay in the lineup until his actual stats started to slide. Analytics are great as a tool but the fact is Hiura was hitting despite the analytics saying he shouldn't and he deserved the chance to keep putting up good numbers.  

Keston had been doing a bit better before his demotion, but certainly wasn't setting the world on fire. And considering what he's done since 2020, he really didn't "deserve" much of anything. 

[wntrtxn21]

57 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

Keston had been doing a bit better before his demotion, but certainly wasn't setting the world on fire. And considering what he's done since 2020, he really didn't "deserve" much of anything. 

 

[wntrtxn21]

Just now, wntrtxn21 said:

 

Since June 1 Hiura 14/58 ( .241) with 3 HRs and 4 RBIs.  He walked 7 times and struckout 32 times (47% rate). I don't see how those numbers "deserve" anything. 

[Austin Tatious]

Benitendi to Yankees for 3 lower level pitchers, the highest of whom is ranked 13 in their system. 

[LouisEly]

1 hour ago, wntrtxn21 said:

Since June 1 Hiura 14/58 ( .241) with 3 HRs and 4 RBIs.  He walked 7 times and struckout 32 times (47% rate). I don't see how those numbers "deserve" anything. 

In the last seven games that he played - 6 starts and 25 plate appearances - he had a 1.194 OPS.

Very small sample, but if that's not "setting the world on fire" over seven games then I don't know what is.

[endaround]

Since June 1 Hiura had a wRC+ of 123.

[Jopal78]

4 minutes ago, LouisEly said:

In the last seven games that he played - 6 starts and 25 plate appearances - he had a 1.194 OPS.

Very small sample, but if that's not "setting the world on fire" over seven games then I don't know what is.

Despite what the sabremetricians say; OPS isn't everything. The Yankees are probably going to DFA Joey Gallo in large part because of his 38% strike out rate. 

 

[endaround]

5 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

Despite what the sabremetricians say; OPS isn't everything. The Yankees are probably going to DFA Joey Gallo in large part because of his 38% strike out rate. 

 

They signed him when he had a 34.6% k-rate in 2021. Pretty sure it has more to do with his 83 wRC+ in 2022 compared to his wRC+ of 123 in 2021

[Jopal78]

1 minute ago, endaround said:

They signed him when he had a 34.6% k-rate in 2021. Pretty sure it has more to do with his 83 wRC+ in 2022 compared to his wRC+ of 123 in 2021

They traded for Gallo, and he has hit 25 homeruns in 138 with New York but that's all he's done. Homer and strike out. I know the sabermetrics will hop up and down and argue strike outs are irrelevant, but the reality is there isn't a team in the league who carries a player that strikes out at a 40% clip. 

Hiura has struck out in 43% of his at bats, Patrick Wisdom leads the NL in Ks and he has "only" struck out 33% of the time. Eugenio Saurez leads the AL in Ks and has "only" struck out 32% of the time.

What are the Brewers to do, play a player who strikes out at an unacceptable rate, because in a small sample against exclsuively right-handed pitching he has popped an inordinate amount of homers?

[brewers888]

On 7/28/2022 at 7:32 AM, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

Keston had been doing a bit better before his demotion, but certainly wasn't setting the world on fire. And considering what he's done since 2020, he really didn't "deserve" much of anything. 

Keston hasn't earned it but Severino has. That is really quite the situation.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

1 hour ago, brewers888 said:

Keston hasn't earned it but Severino has. That is really quite the situation.

Keston was atrocious in 2020 and 2021, and despite better numbers this year, is still striking out at an astronomical rate. Simple as that.

[jay87shot]

Mariners just traded for Luis Castillo.

Noelvi Marte (18th overall prospect), Edwin Arroyo (93rd (probably higher, similar prospect to Chourio)), Levi Stoudt (Mariners #5), Andrew Moore (unranked reliever, 58 ks in 32 innings).

That's a great haul for a year and a half even if Castillo is a borderline top 15 starter who can have some control issues.

[brewmann04]

On 7/25/2022 at 4:10 PM, owbc said:

If I were the Red Sox I would sell and sell hard. Two of the three AL Wild Cards are locks (Tampa and Toronto). Only the last spot is up for grabs and teams like Seattle, Cleveland, and the White Sox have an easier path to get there. It's not fun to be in the AL East when even Baltimore is a playoff contender now. 

We made the blockbuster with the Red Sox with almonte 

[brewmann04]

Thankfully not the Mets or Yanks or Cards 

[rickh150]

On 7/28/2022 at 9:28 AM, endaround said:

Since June 1 Hiura had a wRC+ of 123.

K rate is so yesterday. Everybody needs to get hip with the wRC+.

And Hiura hit an oppo 3run go ahead bomb tonight in Nashville.

[Ro Mueller]

Maybe Tampa would like C Pedro Severino to give them a boost during the stretch run, given Mejia being injured at the moment and knowing they’ve got Bethancourt anyway for expanded September rosters plus playoffs. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/07/rays-looking-for-catching-help.html

[sveumrules]

43 minutes ago, damuelle said:

Maybe Tampa would like C Pedro Severino to give them a boost during the stretch run, given Mejia being injured at the moment and knowing they’ve got Bethancourt anyway for expanded September rosters plus playoffs. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/07/rays-looking-for-catching-help.html

In addition to the Rays (0.1 WAR), HOU (-0.7 WAR), STL (-0.6 WAR), CLE (0.0 WAR) and NYM (0.2 WAR) have all gotten bottom of the barrel catcher production.

Hopefully Stearns & company can leverage their C depth (2.6 WAR, 7th) and deal Severino to one of those teams for at least some regular season reinforcements.

Can prolly cross STL off the list & Contreras to NYM just seems so obvious, but putting him into that HOU lineup would be pretty scary too.

CLE (-0.8 WAR) and NYM (-0.2 WAR) also have gotten negative production out of DH, so maybe a package of Hiura/Severino could be appealing? Mets will probably pull JDM or Bell though.

[Ro Mueller]

25 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

In addition to the Rays (0.1 WAR), HOU (-0.7 WAR), STL (-0.6 WAR), CLE (0.0 WAR) and NYM (0.2 WAR) have all gotten bottom of the barrel catcher production.

Hopefully Stearns & company can leverage their C depth (2.6 WAR, 7th) and deal Severino to one of those teams for at least some regular season reinforcements.

Can prolly cross STL off the list & Contreras to NYM just seems so obvious, but putting him into that HOU lineup would be pretty scary too.

CLE (-0.8 WAR) and NYM (-0.2 WAR) also have gotten negative production out of DH, so maybe a package of Hiura/Severino could be appealing? Mets will probably pull JDM or Bell though.

Yeah, the Astros make sense as a Severino landing spot if they believe Jason Castro will be out a while but ultimately return for the playoffs. https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/astros/article/Houston-Astros-Jason-Castro-knee-injury-status-17323871.php

[Robocaller]

On 7/29/2022 at 2:47 PM, brewers888 said:

Keston hasn't earned it but Severino has. That is really quite the situation.

Shipping off Severino is long past due, imo.

That, and acquiring another reliever. I can't believe the brewers have done neither.

[wibadgers23]

I’m not sure if we’ll acquire a hitter but one thing I know for sure is Stearns will acquire at least one reliever. He does every deadline. Let’s just hope it works out better than it did last year with Norris and Curtiss!

[LouisEly]

4 hours ago, Robocaller said:

That, and acquiring another reliever. I can't believe the brewers have done neither.

Regarding relievers, they have Peralta, Houser, Cousins, and Topa coming back soon which will push the Strzylecki's/Gott's/Gustave's/Suter's off of the roster or push them into mop-up duty, so I can understand not picking up a reliever. 

[Never Outhustled]

On 7/29/2022 at 4:46 PM, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

Keston was atrocious in 2020 and 2021, and despite better numbers this year, is still striking out at an astronomical rate. Simple as that.

Keston didn't suddenly start hitting well, they just finally starting playing him versus RHP. He's always been good, just misused.

 

I really don't get this boards sudden obsession with increasing the teams groundouts.