2022 Trade Market

[edfunderburk]

No matter who we add - Gallo, Bell - we will miss Jace Peterson’s versatility & LH infield bat  - his extended IL time is costly

I do hope we add a difference maker … but with limited impact on the top prospect list (which may not be possible)

I hope we protect Frelick & Mitchell in addition to Turang & Chourio

I’m okay with Wiemer & Small being traded

With the pitchers we already having returning from injury soon - I believe we are set there

[markedman5]

 

[Never Outhustled]

16 hours ago, damuelle said:

Yeah, the Astros make sense as a Severino landing spot if they believe Jason Castro will be out a while but ultimately return for the playoffs. https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/astros/article/Houston-Astros-Jason-Castro-knee-injury-status-17323871.php

Id be fine with dealing Narvaez instead of Severino, assuming a more interesting return. Who cares that Severino isn't post season eligible, Caratini would start every game in October. It would also be a sneaky way to get Feliciano big league experience without racking up service time. 

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

6 hours ago, Never Outhustled said:

Keston didn't suddenly start hitting well, they just finally starting playing him versus RHP. He's always been good, just misused.

 

I really don't get this boards sudden obsession with increasing the teams groundouts.

At least a ground out can move a runner over in theory. I K is basically a wasted AB, and Keston does that roughly half the time. 

[Never Outhustled]

4 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

At least a ground out can move a runner over in theory. I K is basically a wasted AB, and Keston does that roughly half the time. 

Teams that K less ground into more double plays. 

[Robocaller]

7 hours ago, LouisEly said:

Regarding relievers, they have Peralta, Houser, Cousins, and Topa coming back soon which will push the Strzylecki's/Gott's/Gustave's/Suter's off of the roster or push them into mop-up duty, so I can understand not picking up a reliever. 

they still need one. 

[brewmann04]

Suter not going anywhere 

[Jim French Stepstool]

4 hours ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

At least a ground out can move a runner over in theory. I K is basically a wasted AB, and Keston does that roughly half the time. 

Not to mention that it isn't written in stone that a ground ball is going to be an out. Hard to make that argument on a strikeout, unless the catcher is a Huira-level defender.

[Jim French Stepstool]

11 hours ago, LouisEly said:

Regarding relievers, they have Peralta, Houser, Cousins, and Topa coming back soon which will push the Strzylecki's/Gott's/Gustave's/Suter's off of the roster or push them into mop-up duty, so I can understand not picking up a reliever. 

....And Perdomo. GOOD Perdomo lol.

I wouldn't have a big problem with them not adding a bullpen arm, but would be very surprised if they didn't.

[Never Outhustled]

1 hour ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

Not to mention that it isn't written in stone that a ground ball is going to be an out. Hard to make that argument on a strikeout, unless the catcher is a Huira-level defender.

If the ground balls are going for hits, the hitter would have a better OPS. They don't.  Hiura has a better OPS than most, despite his strikeout rate. 

Quality of contact is more important than simply putting the ball in play. 

[Jim French Stepstool]

1 hour ago, Never Outhustled said:

If the ground balls are going for hits, the hitter would have a better OPS. They don't.  Hiura has a better OPS than most, despite his strikeout rate. 

 

Or as someone mentioned earlier, a productive out--a term some people hate, but I'm sorry, some outs are productive. Sometimes you reach on an error (Not if you strike out). To be fair, sometimes you may also hit into a DP.

[Jim French Stepstool]

57 minutes ago, Never Outhustled said:

 

Quality of contact is more important than simply putting the ball in play. 

It's baseball. Quality of contact doesn't always result in success. Sometimes it may even be detrimental. It's a weird game that way. 

Huiras' quality of contact, when he's made contact, has been impressive. I don't think anyone can deny that. The nebulous factors--where the ball is hit, how you're being defended, liner at someone, bleeder or Texas-leaguer--all that goes out the window when contact isn't made. Kind of a chicken-egg thing. When are the strikeouts so high, that the hard contact doesn't make up for it? I think the organization has spoken on that, and I happen to agree with them. It's never as simple as OPS; nor should it be.

And we all know the glove factors in, too. 

[Never Outhustled]

6 hours ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

Or as someone mentioned earlier, a productive out--a term some people hate, but I'm sorry, some outs are productive. Sometimes you reach on an error (Not if you strike out). To be fair, sometimes you may also hit into a DP.

This is all measurable, and the impact of a K instead of an out in play is almost inconsequential. IIRC, 100 Ks cost you 1 run. That's nothing. 

[Jim French Stepstool]

5 hours ago, Never Outhustled said:

This is all measurable, and the impact of a K instead of an out in play is almost inconsequential. IIRC, 100 Ks cost you 1 run. That's nothing. 

Does that "measurable" take into account what would've happened had the ball been put into play in 75 of those 100 ABs? in half? in 20?

This runs into something I've felt strongly about for a long time--that baseball can't be put into a neat little analytical box nearly as easily as other sports, hard as some may try. IMO the variables are insurmountable. But at the end of the day, Keston seems like a great kid, who has had way too much to endure at his age. Like I said, I agree with this organizations' assessment of him, but I'm glad he has people who have his back. If the unlikely happens & he finds his way back to Milwaukee I'll be pulling for him.

[markedman5]

Scratch Houston off the Omar trade list

 

[Robocaller]

There's got to be another quasi-significant trade coming, right? So at least we can say: this improvement will more than counterbalance what we lost by trading Hader.

 

[markedman5]

 

[nate82]

Just now, markedman5 said:

 

I guess that is better than nothing for the Cardinals.  They have been left holding the bag on Montas and Castillo.  They probably didn't give up anyone special for him which from the rumors is that the Cardinals are not willing to give up their top prospects in any of the deals they were trying to do including for Soto.  

[nate82]

Cardinals gave up Malcom Nunez (10) and Johan Oviedo for Quintana and Stratton.  Not a bad return but not great either.  

[Eye Black]

On 7/31/2022 at 1:14 PM, edfunderburk said:

No matter who we add - Gallo, Bell - we will miss Jace Peterson’s versatility & LH infield bat  - his extended IL time is costly

Then trade for Joey Wendle? Woah Solvvd?! 

[Robocaller]

5 hours ago, markedman5 said:

 

Dangit. This helps them.

 

[Robocaller]

I guess there are still ways to acquire a player.

1) Someone waived by another team.

2) Someone in the minors and not on the 40-man roster.

3) Someone playing in a foreign country.

Any options?

[UpandIn]

On 8/5/2022 at 6:52 PM, Robocaller said:

I guess there are still ways to acquire a player.

1) Someone waived by another team.

2) Someone in the minors and not on the 40-man roster.

3) Someone playing in a foreign country.

Any options?

Sacrifice a Chicken? Cleanse Hiura and Yelich's bats of the strikeouts?

[Ro Mueller]

I'm not sure where else to put this:

- If the Red Sox and Giants could kindly fade over the next 10 days (except for the Giants end-of-month series against the Padres), would they likely release some expensive veteran hitters in the hopes that another team claims them and thus takes on their salary?

Of course, the Giants actually play the Diamondbacks, Rockies and Tigers over the next 9 days (7 games), so I don't expect them to fade quickly.

I don't really see another path to the Brewers obtaining an impact bat.