Game Thread (6/04/2022): Padres (Gore) at Brewers (Ashby) - 3:10 PM CDT

[Nola Beery]

39 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

This times a million!

It still stinks.  Let's just say we have a lineup that's easy to pitch around.... 

[Jim French Stepstool]

43 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Pablo Reyes just doesn't do it for me. Can't wait for Tuesday....

Nor for me, as a starting SS. But I felt he received way too much criticism last season from fans. For the role he's asked to fill when on the roster I think he's fine. It's just that he has to be a regular for a day or three because apparently it's vital that Adames have 21 days instead of 19, or 20 instead of 18, or whatever.

[markedman5]

 

[yourout]

11 minutes ago, markedman5 said:

 

Sure glad the playoffs don't start tomorrow and they are facing the Padres.

 

 

[BruisedCrew]

Some times baseball produces unpredictable results. 
 

Today wasn’t one of those days. 
 

Another dreary day at the ballpark for holders of the Weekend 10 Pack. The only bright spot today was that Ashby works quickly so there was only about 2 1/2 hours of dull play before we left after the 8th inning. 

[CdrbrgMark]

Sorry folks, but Hiuera is pretty much a guaranteed out maker when he plays. 4 SO's today! I've really tried hard to find a way to support him, but I just can't.

[Outlander]

50 minutes ago, NBBrewFan said:

I don't read articles starting with "Ignore the Haters" in the Title as it's either click bait or written by a high schooler,

Tim Muma is a good writer but I can see why the title would turn you off as it is pretty bad.

[BruisedCrew]

Also, I am not a doctor or trainer, but at what point is there virtually no additional advantage to holding a player out for an additional 4 days or more.

In my 30-40 years of playing sports that involving running and lateral movements (mainly basketball and baseball/softball) I had my share of turned ankles and pulled muscles. Without daily assistance from a trainer and doctor or access to the best treatments I had to decide when I could play again and at some point you just have to start up. After all, guys can get hurt out of the blue with no warning. Using Adames as an example, if he’s played a few rehab games and has been doing infield work for almost two weeks, will his risk of reinjury (or a new injury) be that much lower on Tuesday than it would have been yesterday? 
 

I could say something similar about Renfroe, though hamstrings were always more difficult for me than ankle sprains. Once you’ve pulled one the risk of another one is always there. 
 

In the meantime, the Brewers are coming close to forfeiting games waiting for these guys to be completely healthy. 

[BruisedCrew]

24 minutes ago, Outlander said:

Tim Muma is a good writer but I can see why the title would turn you off as it is pretty bad.

Note some of the comments to the article. 
 

If I really wanted to nitpick the title I would say it should have said “the Brewers are in good position” because they are definitely not in “great shape” right now. 

[Jim French Stepstool]

19 minutes ago, BruisedCrew said:

Also, I am not a doctor or trainer, but at what point is there virtually no additional advantage to holding a player out for an additional 4 days or more.

In my 30-40 years of playing sports that involving running and lateral movements (mainly basketball and baseball/softball) I had my share of turned ankles and pulled muscles. Without daily assistance from a trainer and doctor or access to the best treatments I had to decide when I could play again and at some point you just have to start up. After all, guys can get hurt out of the blue with no warning. Using Adames as an example, if he’s played a few rehab games and has been doing infield work for almost two weeks, will his risk of reinjury (or a new injury) be that much lower on Tuesday than it would have been yesterday? 
 

I could say something similar about Renfroe, though hamstrings were always more difficult for me than ankle sprains. Once you’ve pulled one the risk of another one is always there. 
 

In the meantime, the Brewers are coming close to forfeiting games waiting for these guys to be completely healthy. 

Another factor to support this point is that we now have a DH in the NL. And it's not like we have someone filling that role on a regular basis.

[edfunderburk]

6 hours ago, edfunderburk said:

On paper (or here in the game thread), this lineup looks horrible

Watch the Brewers breakout with 12 runs this afternoon ?

This tweet did not age well … it should have been in BLUE INK 

I’m a pastor so I believe in miracles … that said, the lineup both last night & today produced exactly what should be expected (back to back shutouts)

It is a crime for Milwaukee to play some of these players & not call up Turang or Dahl over the last few weeks 

These lineups concede the win & accept defeat - that is unacceptable to me

So glad I had my granddaughter’s dance recital & missed watching today’s game - last night was enough for one weekend - not sure what I will do tomorrow, but I expect a similar result

[BruisedCrew]

Was anything said in the broadcast or after the game about Yelich being completely unavailable today?

If he was available at all, not sending him up to hit for Cain in the 8th inning with two men on base was, IMHO, grossly negligent. As bad as Yelich has been, the chances that he might step into one for a 3 run HR, or knock one into the gap for 2 RBI is infinitely more likely than Cain doing the same thing. He could then have stood in LF for the 9th inning.

The way he’s looked at the plate since the cycle I have been wondering if Yelich has some kind of injury that’s going to land him on the IL when Renfroe comes back. 

[Brewcrew82]

 

[Brewcrew82]

Like others on here, I also don't understand the benefit/logic of continuing to hold Renfroe/Adames out, particularly when they themselves have acknowledged that they are ready to go. A lineup like today is just conceding defeat. Like do you have to give Caratini an off-day too if Yelich and Urias aren't going to play? The conservatism of this team with respect to injuries/playing time is starting to get quite frustrating. 

[82brewcrew82]

I'm not a big Hiura fan by any stretch but his OPS+, at least coming into today, was better than the three players we are hanging our hats on to improve the offense.  We have to be fair here, if Hiura is a problem, then he isn't the only one by a long stretch.

[DuWayne Steurer]

41 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

 

So he's aware that Hiura can't hit lefties, but continues to have him hit against lefties, despite the wealth of data they have that says ...... he can't hit lefties. Just keep doing the same thing over and over, and expect different results.  Sigh......

[DuWayne Steurer]

Also, it's not a "tough fit", when you have a DH (McCutchen) who can't hit righties, and Hiura can hit righties just fine.  Follow the data and you'll come to a favorable conclusion CC. 

[Sixtolezcano]

Adames tweeked his tight quad this week in Nashville, that is why he isn’t back this weekend. Since we don’t have any current medical information on Woodruff, Brosseau and Renfroe and don’t have medical training it’s probably best to trust the Brewer medical staff at this point. Best to miss a few extra games in May then risk the possibility of missing a couple more weeks.

[Sixtolezcano]

3 minutes ago, RoCoBrewfan said:

So he's aware that Hiura can't hit lefties, but continues to have him hit against lefties, despite the wealth of data they have that says ...... he can't hit lefties. Just keep doing the same thing over and over, and expect different results.  Sigh......

Are you suggesting insanity…?

[DuWayne Steurer]

4 minutes ago, Sixtolezcano said:

Are you suggesting insanity…?

I'm suggesting a manager that's been as good as Counsell has, for multiple years, making it seem difficult to find a way to use Hiura effectively, when the data shows exactly how he can be used effectively is certainly frustrating, if nothing else.

[BruisedCrew]

34 minutes ago, 82brewcrew82 said:

I'm not a big Hiura fan by any stretch but his OPS+, at least coming into today, was better than the three players we are hanging our hats on to improve the offense.  We have to be fair here, if Hiura is a problem, then he isn't the only one by a long stretch.

Hiura’s OPS seems inflated by having 5 HR in 88 plate appearances. I doubt if he could maintain a pace like that with regular playing time.

But his 41 Ks in those 88 appearances looks like a continuation of his problems form 2020 and 21. 

[Sixtolezcano]

Counsell - “Damn it, doesn’t Keaton realize that lefty batters are suppose to hit lefty pitchers. I’m going to keep throwing him out there against lefties until he can figure that out.”

[brewmann04]

This team is fading fast and not sure what Stearns can do to help. If pitching fails this team will be in for a big tail spin. Cain and Hiura And Clutch have been disappointed and Yelich been a major funk since his injury. 

[Pugger]

13 hours ago, yourout said:

Sure glad the playoffs don't start tomorrow and they are facing the Padres.

 

 

We had the Padres number before we became devastated by all these injuries.  Right now we have 6 starters, including 2 from our rotation, sidelined.  Not many clubs can overcome these kinds of loses all at the same time.

[Nola Beery]

14 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

This is just not accurate. I suggest you read this article from @Tim Muma.

 

I get it,  But that doesn't change the fact that our lineup doesn't seem to scare anyone (except us).   I think Yelich gets walks because opposing teams know they don't really have to pitch to him.