2022 MLB Draft Pick Discussion, Rounds 1-10

[Never Outhustled]

4 minutes ago, trwi7 said:

As long as we're aware that his OPS was 248th in the NCAA this year and his SLG% was 417th.

Yup, plus that's not curved for competition, so it's really even worse. 

 

If the goal is more hard grounders to SS, this is your guy.

[Platoon Power]

Not a big fan of using a 1st round pick on a RH bat that doesn't have any above average tools.  The reports about his arm are concerning when he's not as good as a hitter as Tyler Black.  I do like his plate discipline and see a nice floor as a platoon option around the IF.  It's just not the upside I want with a 1st rounder.   

[LouisEly]

8 minutes ago, brewers888 said:

He must have holes in his swing if the scouting report is correct that says he needs a swing overhaul.

Links to those scouting reports, please.

[sveumrules]

1 minute ago, Never Outhustled said:

Most teams have 1, we have none. Some teams have numerous. You really thought players have stopped making the big leagues? That's just us (hitters only, we have a great understanding of pitching).

The 2016 1st round has four position players with over 2.0 career WAR, 2017 is zero, 2018 is two, 2019 to present is zero.

The idea that the current scouting regime should have drafted & developed multiple (or even one, again Hiura has been the best position player from 2017 we could have drafted) starting position players just doesn’t align with known prospect development timelines.

Especially for a team who has been consistently winning & picking late in the draft.

[homer]

3 minutes ago, brewers888 said:

All those teams you mentioned as well as Tampa never pick at the top yet keep producing.

Tampa was rumored to really like Eric Brown

[CheeseheadInQC]

For what it is worth, he also tied for 10th in the Cape in homers last year.

[brewers888]

Just now, LouisEly said:

Links to those scouting reports, please.

Go back to the previous page which I copied from this very site.

[Brewcrew82]

18 minutes ago, NBBrewFan said:

I'll trust the other teams that consistently pick late in the first round and consistently produce MLB players. i.e. that ain't the Brewers. The crazy thing is that everyone thinks the current administration is great at picking pitchers.  Hader, Woodruff and Peralta were all Melvin picks/pickups.  Sure the pitching lab has helped develop them and I will give them credit for that, but in identifying talent Stearns is getting a lot of credit from help from the previous GM.

Burnes is the best of them all, probably the most dominant pitcher in franchise history already. Why don't you mention him? Stearns also traded for Lauer who has become a nice middle of the rotation pitcher. Jury is still out on Ashby, but he retains a lot of promise. Yes, Melvin started our pitching resurgence, but Stearns has accelerated it...

[DuWayne Steurer]

1 minute ago, brewers888 said:

Brown is unique in being a first-round talent who needs a complete swing overhaul in pro ball. He does something with his hands that reminds me of a Samurai, but has hit everywhere and has deceptively good in-game power, in addition to fitting at one or both middle-infield positions. Clubs with good hitting development are lining up around this point of the draft.

 

Please cite your source when quoting articles and such. Thanks.

[MVP2110]

1 minute ago, brewers888 said:

All those teams you mentioned as well as Tampa never pick at the top yet keep producing.

Tampa's 1st round picks since 2012

Richie Shaffer, Nick Ciuffo, Ryne Stanek, Casey Gillaspie, Garrett Whitley, Josh Lowe,  Brendan McKay, Matthew Liberatore, Greg Jones, Nick Bitsko, Carson Williams, and Cooper Kinney

Can we not act like they've drafted a ton of All stars or anything?

 

[brewers888]

Just now, Brewcrew82 said:

Burnes is the best of them all, probably the most dominant pitcher in franchise history already. Why don't you mention him? Stearns also traded for Lauer who has become a nice middle of the rotation pitcher. Jury is out on Ashby, but he retains a lot of promise. Yes, Melvin started our pitching resurgence, but Stearns has accelerated it...

Didn't Ray Montgomery who is no longer a Brewers employee the one who picked Burnes

[Platoon Power]

I do like Eric Brown more than the toolsy OFer's with no hit tool like Dylan Beavers and Jordan Beck.  We've been down that road with Corey Ray and it's not pretty.  

[brewers888]

1 minute ago, DuWayne Steurer said:

Please cite your source when quoting articles and such. Thanks.

Sorry but it was from ESPN and I copied it from the scouting reports on here.

[Eye Black]

12 minutes ago, CheeseheadInQC said:

Regardless, I can understand the disappointment, but the vitriol seems a tad hyperbolic.

That's well said. The biggest concern I would have is if he does indeed need a swing overhaul that hasn't exactly proven to be a strength of the Brewers organization. If you're disappointed that's absolutely fine, but please keep it within the perspective that there literally wasn't a player left on the board at #27 that you couldn't pick apart. 

[DuWayne Steurer]

Just now, brewers888 said:

Sorry but it was from ESPN and I copied it from the scouting reports on here.

No prob, just make sure you mention it's from ESPN (or whatever source) from an earlier post.

[sveumrules]

Just now, MVP2110 said:

Tampa's 1st round picks since 2012

Richie Shaffer, Nick Ciuffo, Ryne Stanek, Casey Gillaspie, Garrett Whitley, Josh Lowe,  Brendan McKay, Matthew Liberatore, Greg Jones, Nick Bitsko, Carson Williams, and Cooper Kinney

Can we not act like they've drafted a ton of All stars or anything?

 

Exactly. Much like the Brewers, the Rays have acquired many players via trade or off the scrap heap, which also involves…scouting.

[brewers888]

1 minute ago, MVP2110 said:

Tampa's 1st round picks since 2012

Richie Shaffer, Nick Ciuffo, Ryne Stanek, Casey Gillaspie, Garrett Whitley, Josh Lowe,  Brendan McKay, Matthew Liberatore, Greg Jones, Nick Bitsko, Carson Williams, and Cooper Kinney

Can we not act like they've drafted a ton of All stars or anything?

 

Its not just about the first round. We found Burnes in I believe the 4th round and Woodruff the 7th yet don't have one everyday position player drafted by this team.

[Brewcrew82]

Just now, brewers888 said:

Didn't Ray Montgomery who is no longer a Brewers employee the one who picked Burnes

I was responding to a poster who gave Melvin the credit for drafting Woodruff. Either way, Stearns is the one who ultimately runs the whole show. He also traded for Lauer as the second piece in the Grisham trade, whom we've turned from a fringe major leaguer into a nice middle of the rotation starter. 

[trwi7]

12 minutes ago, Smichaelis9 said:

I'm just super confused by some of you. He didn't have good production? He had an OPS over 1.000... He hit against the Power 5 competition he saw.

He hit against the bad Power 5 competition he saw.  6-11 with a walk against West Virginia, Rutgers and Illinois.  5-12 with 6 walks against Clemson and Wake Forest.  1-14 with 5 walks against UNC and Virginia.

[Eye Black]

13 minutes ago, brewers888 said:

How often have the Rays picked top 10 yet their system is always producing talent and there are other teams in similar situations.

Which of the Rays 1st round picks over the past decade was your favorite? If you need a refresher here's the list: Tampa Bay Rays 1st Round Picks

[brewers888]

Just now, Brewcrew82 said:

I was responding to a poster who gave Melvin the credit for drafting Woodruff. Either way, Stearns is the one who ultimately runs the whole show. He also traded for Lauer as the second piece in the Grisham trade, whom we've turned from a fringe major leaguer into a nice middle of the rotation starter. 

No one has said that Stearns hasn't made many great moves but the organization has failed big time in drafting position players. Obviously Chourio and others look promising but we have done an awful job developing position players.

[homer]

9 minutes ago, Never Outhustled said:

Yup, plus that's not curved for competition, so it's really even worse. 

 

If the goal is more hard grounders to SS, this is your guy.

what was his GB rate? 

[brewers888]

Just now, Eye Black said:

Which of the Rays 1st round picks over the past decade was your favorite? If you need a refresher here's the list: Tampa Bay Rays 1st Round Picks

If we are just going by the first round that is an ugly list but they have done a great job in later rounds as have many other organizations like the Dodgers who never pick early.

[sveumrules]

6 minutes ago, brewers888 said:

Its not just about the first round. We found Burnes in I believe the 4th round and Woodruff the 7th yet don't have one everyday position player drafted by this team.

Just because Tyrone Taylor & Keston Hiura aren’t currently starting doesn’t mean they haven’t been “starters” on this team at points & times. Arcia also started a lot of games (for better or worse) over the Stearns era, though he wasn’t technically drafted.

Only six first round position players have put 2.0 WAR or since the 2016 draft, Hiura is at 1.3. Adjust expectations accordingly, or prepare to keep being disappointed.

[brewers888]

The Brewers should probably stick to what they are good at and thats drafting and developing pitchers.