Hader VERY BAD for Padres

[Jopal78]

13 minutes ago, torts said:

Has anyone looked at other GMs to see how he compares?  Maybe less thab 50% is normal.  Looking at his success or failures in a vacuum doesn't do much, ya know?  

Have at it, and let us know...

[torts]

39 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

Have at it, and let us know...

Pass, I dont slight Stearns for his trade deadline failures, I just get a feeling that it's like this for most teams.  

[Thurston Fluff]

It's really hard to determine how good a Gm is at the deadline without weighing what they have to offer other teams. Deadline trade results are going to be directly affected by who you have to trade. Having a relatively weak farm meant less of chance of getting a sure fire upgrade.

[Axman59]

Here are the stats for Hader vs. Rogers for all September/October appearances:

Hader:  0.87 ERA, 10.1 IP, 0.581 WHIP

Rogers:  6.94 ERA, 11.2 IP, 1.543 WHIP

 

David Stearns totally screwed this team at the deadline. Shameful.

 

Gasser and/or Ruiz better turn out to be worth it...

[sveumrules]

29 minutes ago, Axman59 said:

Here are the stats for Hader vs. Rogers for all September/October appearances:

Hader:  0.87 ERA, 10.1 IP, 0.581 WHIP

Rogers:  6.94 ERA, 11.2 IP, 1.543 WHIP

 

David Stearns totally screwed this team at the deadline. Shameful.

 

Gasser and/or Ruiz better turn out to be worth it...

But why leave out August?

Hader: 19.06 ERA | 5.2 IP 
Rogers: 3.97 ERA | 11.1 IP

After the deadline Rogers threw 23 IP of 5.48 ERA, Hader threw 16 IP of 7.31 ERA. They were both bad, Hader was worse.

The Brewers got a couple prospects out of the deal, that will determine if it was ultimately a success or failure.

[torts]

34 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

But why leave out August?

Hader: 19.06 ERA | 5.2 IP 
Rogers: 3.97 ERA | 11.1 IP

After the deadline Rogers threw 23 IP of 5.48 ERA, Hader threw 16 IP of 7.31 ERA. They were both bad, Hader was worse.

The Brewers got a couple prospects out of the deal, that will determine if it was ultimately a success or failure.

Because it doesn't fit his narrative, or his schtick

[Axman59]

2 hours ago, sveumrules said:

But why leave out August?

Hader: 19.06 ERA | 5.2 IP 
Rogers: 3.97 ERA | 11.1 IP

After the deadline Rogers threw 23 IP of 5.48 ERA, Hader threw 16 IP of 7.31 ERA. They were both bad, Hader was worse.

The Brewers got a couple prospects out of the deal, that will determine if it was ultimately a success or failure.

 

Because everyone knows Hader pitched poorly in August. It's why this thread was started.

[SomewhereInTime]

On 10/7/2022 at 1:49 PM, Axman59 said:

Here are the stats for Hader vs. Rogers for all September/October appearances:

Hader:  0.87 ERA, 10.1 IP, 0.581 WHIP

Rogers:  6.94 ERA, 11.2 IP, 1.543 WHIP

 

David Stearns totally screwed this team at the deadline. Shameful.

 

Gasser and/or Ruiz better turn out to be worth it...

Wow 10 innings, what a huge difference that makes?  If we can cherry pick can you do one that only compares the scoreless innings from Rogers vs the innings Hader gave up runs?

[brewers888]

Hader looks terrible. Its a good thing we traded him for a probable 4/5 starter and 5th outfielder. 

[Hopper]

Hader being Hader..

I'm rooting for the guy, I know there are probably people who want him to fail to prove their theories right, but he;s a good kid, and a great player!

I'm pretty sure the Padres aren't looking back on that trade now!  lol

 

[Axman59]

Hader gets the save (with a 1 run lead) vs. Dodgers in Game 3 of the NLDS.

1 IP, 0 hits, 0 walks, 2 K's.

Taylor Rogers, Dinelson Lamet, and Robert Gasser did not pitch yesterday so no results to report for them. ?

[Brewcrew82]

Are there people here that seriously wanted us to sign Hader to a contract extension? Just wondering by the tone of some of the posts here...Cause I'm sure we would've gotten more for him this offseason.

[Hopper]

2 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Are there people here that seriously wanted us to sign Hader to a contract extension? Just wondering by the tone of some of the posts here...Cause I'm sure we would've gotten more for him this offseason.

I don't think anyone wanted to pay him the kind of money he will be getting, but I think the general consensus is that we should have gotten more immediate help (a Bat), or kept him until the off season, then traded him.

I don't believe that Ruiz is going to be any better than our other 3 (Frelick, Mitchell, and Wiemer) and don't think that adding him to that trade solved a single issue we have.  Plus, we have Chourio coming as well.  We simply didn't need anymore minor league outfielders when it was obvious what our needs truly were.

Gasser I am on board with.

Then there is the way that Lamet was handled of course.

[HarryDoyle]

2 hours ago, Hopper said:

Hader being Hader..

I'm rooting for the guy, I know there are probably people who want him to fail to prove their theories right, but he;s a good kid, and a great player!

I'm pretty sure the Padres aren't looking back on that trade now!  lol

 

I want him to succeed bigly to the point where I might even root for the Padres to win the World Series and Hader striking out the side 1-2-3 in the 9th inning of Game 7 because it will make Stearns look that much more foolish.

[Brewcrew82]

Just now, Hopper said:

I don't think anyone wanted to pay him the kind of money he will be getting, but I think the general consensus is that we should have gotten more immediate help (a Bat), or kept him until the off season, then traded him.

I don't believe that Ruiz is going to be any better than our other 3 (Frelick, Mitchell, and Wiemer) and don't think that adding him to that trade solved a single issue we have.  Plus, we have Chourio coming as well.  We simply didn't need anymore minor league outfielders when it was obvious what our needs truly were.

Gasser I am on board with.

Then there is the way that Lamet was handled of course.

The thing about waiting till the offseason is we likely would've gotten even less for him with the reduced control and the fact that teams generally aren't as desperate for relievers as they are at the deadline.

I'm really excited about Ruiz and Gasser. Ruiz led the minors in stolen bases while hitting over .330 and maintaining a low-K rate. God knows we could use that sort of profile in our lineup. Meanwhile, Gasser is a guy we really wanted in the draft and provides our system with a promising starter profile at a time our pitching depth was starting to dissipate. 

Lamet I agree was completely mishandled, as we ended up going with a guy we DFA'd a couple weeks later over him. As far as Rogers, he was almost as good as Hader over the last couple years. Hard to foresee how he could go so quickly from a minuscule HR rate to giving them up in droves.  

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

1 hour ago, HarryDoyle said:

I want him to succeed bigly to the point where I might even root for the Padres to win the World Series and Hader striking out the side 1-2-3 in the 9th inning of Game 7 because it will make Stearns look that much more foolish.

So ... do you want Stearns gone? Because to me, you don't make a post like this without wanting him gone.

[brewers888]

I know the last post was directed at someone else but I either want Stearns to commit to this team long term or leave now. I don't see any upside to having a lame duck executive directing the future of a franchise he has no intention of leading past the next season. 

[Hopper]

1 minute ago, brewers888 said:

I know the last post was directed at someone else but I either want Stearns to commit to this team long term or leave now. I don't see any upside to having a lame duck executive directing the future of a franchise he has no intention of leading past the next season. 

Can't disagree with this statement.

I'm not accusing him of being a lame duck, but if he intends on leaving in another year, then I say part ways now and let the new guy start working.

[Brewcrew82]

2 minutes ago, brewers888 said:

I know the last post was directed at someone else but I either want Stearns to commit to this team long term or leave now. I don't see any upside to having a lame duck executive directing the future of a franchise he has no intention of leading past the next season. 

The situation is going to get resolved one way or another this offseason. No way Attanasio goes into 2023 with Stearns and Counsell on one year deals. 

[Axman59]

I think both Counsell and Stearns need to go. I think they've topped out in their potential. Let's get some fresh ideas in here and win a championship.

 

Hopefully the next GM isn't someone who trades the Brewers long time closer and beloved teammate at the deadline when the team is in 1st place in the division.

[Brewcrew82]

1 minute ago, Axman59 said:

I think both Counsell and Stearns need to go. I think they've topped out in their potential. Let's get some fresh ideas in here and win a championship. Hopefully the next GM isn't someone who trades the Brewers closer at the deadline when they're in 1st place in the division.

Who do you want, specifically? If you're going to let them go, despite their long track record of success, you should at least have their replacements lined up...

[jerichoholicninja]

Can we just start a separate "I hate Stearns" thread instead of everything being hijacked by the same few posters?

[SF70]

49 minutes ago, Axman59 said:

I think both Counsell and Stearns need to go. I think they've topped out in their potential. Let's get some fresh ideas in here and win a championship.

 

Hopefully the next GM isn't someone who trades the Brewers long time closer and beloved teammate at the deadline when the team is in 1st place in the division.

Unfortunately for you I don’t think Stearns is going anywhere. 

Robert Murray, former Brewers beat Writer said on a recent podcast:

”I would be surprised if Stearns left Milwaukee. From what I’ve gathered, Stearns is very comfortable in Milwaukee, he’s got a good situation there, an owner who supports him.

Obviously he grew up in New York, so I’m sure he’d be entertained by it. Things can change of course, but I’d be surprised if Stearns left Milwaukee.”

Murray still has good contacts/sources with the team from his days covering the team and has broken numerous transactions the team has had since he left his beat.

I believe Stearns really wants to complete his job of bringing this franchise it’s first WS championship,

He has a nice core of players, and for the first time since he’s been here, a loaded positional farm of players he’s drafted, ready to help transform his lineup into a fast & explosive unit of plus defenders that can get on base.
 

 

[Axman59]

4 hours ago, jerichoholicninja said:

Can we just start a separate "I hate Stearns" thread instead of everything being hijacked by the same few posters?

How can you decouple Stearns discussion from the Hader trade? It is Stearns' trade of Hader that torpedoed the Brewers season.

[rickh150]

Brewers are in a tough spot… they NEED more highly talented, cheap pitchers and infielders coming through the pipeline… need to limit payroll, and cannot afford to alienate fan base more after the Hader trade… a trade of Burnes or Woodruff for even a decent return would be jeered by more than half of our fans.