2023: Where do we go from here?

[adambr2]

 

First, let me say that this post is not a concession on my part for postseason baseball in 2022, though I think it is looking less and less likely.

 

Regardless of what happens, I think we need to take a step back and perhaps consider that we no longer appear to be heading in the right direction as an organization. The 2021 season appears to be more of the exception than the rule. I think there were well-founded fears that if our pitching took any sort of step back from their otherworldly performance from 2021, we could end up with a very mediocre looking baseball team. I think those fears have come to fruition. 

 

Now the question becomes - where do we go from here? We don't appear to be in a position where a full-blown rebuild is necessary, but I think we're also in a position where we need to recognize that adding one or two of the Andrew McCutchen types of the world every offseason isn't really benefiting us in any material way. In fact, one could argue that it is hindering us by taking AB's away from bats like Hiura and keeping up-and-comers like Mitchell and Frelick from receiving their opportunities. 

 

So, what's your plan for 2023? The clock is ticking louder and louder on the Brewer careers of players like Burnes and Woodruff. Do we cash those chips in now, or ride them until the very end? I think we have to accept the reality that the 2022 version of Christian Yelich is about all we can realistically hope for going forward. Is it indeed better to endure a 1 or 2 year mini rebuild while we wait on development of some of our prospects and perhaps Jackson Chourio by 2024 or 2025?

 

I think the most likely option, not that I agree or disagree with it strongly, is that we enter 2023 with largely the same except some reinforcements in the bullpen, and perhaps allowing young players like Frelick and Mitchell and Ruiz to complement veterans like Renfroe and Yelich while moving on from aging vets like McCutchen. 

 

A lot of decisions to be made on the direction of the team this offseason. 

 

 

[Hacksaw Jim Duggan]

Even if the Brewers make the playoffs this version is very disappointing.  I am looking forward to the offseason to see what Stearns is thinking.  Frelick, Mitchell, Ruiz, Turang, and Wiemer earned some playing time in 2023.  Going to be a lot of moving pieces this winter.

[brewers888]

If it were up to me I would move at least one of Burnes or Woodruff and possibly both if the offers are impressive enough. Coming back with nearly the same team won't cut it.

First on the agenda needs to be resolving the David Stearns situation which means either extending him or letting him go. Its just not smart to have a lame duck GM looking to walk making moves that affect the long term future of an organization he knows he won;t be a part of.

The cut and paste acquisitions of guys like McCutchen have to end. We aren't winning a championship with washed up veterans hitting cleanup so lets move on. Taking a step back to ensure a brighter future for the team is the way to go and what I would like to see but I expect an offseason similar to last year bringing back most of the same group that has flailed away for most of the season. 

[wibadgers23]

As painful as it would be, I think you have to seriously consider trading Burnes and/or Woodruff in the offseason. The Dodgers, for example, have a bunch of prospects who are close to MLB ready who would fill positions of need. I’m sure they’d jump at the chance of trading for a guy like Burnes. Same with the Rangers, Orioles, etc. Just think of the talent we’d acquire by trading just Burnes alone. We’d still have a serviceable rotation with Peralta, Ashby and Lauer. You’d also have more money to play with by trading away those guys that you could use to retool the starting rotation. Lots of possibilities but standing pat or just signing guys like McCutchen isn’t going to cut it anymore.

[NBBrewFan]

I'll repost what I said in the similar topic in the "Transaction Rumors and Proposals" Forum:

On 8/15/2022 at 1:51 PM, NBBrewFan said:

Don't know if the Rangers would be interested, but they've paid a lot for offense, but have little starting pitching.  I would trade Woodruff to the Rangers for Josh Jung and prospects (lower/lottery). Jung has more upside than anything we have near 3B in the system, and Urias slides over to 2B.  The rangers have Seager and Semian at 2B/SS for the long-term future, but they could move Semien to 3B and promote Foscue for 2B. Not sure what else the Rangers would need to include, but I like Jung. 

I'd also seriously consider bringing up Frelick and Wiemer for the OF (with Yelich the regular DH).  Slot in Jung at 3B and Urias at 2B and that doesn't really cost much more than Woodruff and likely solves some of the offensive issues.

I'll also add Jay87shot's reply with ideas for Texas prospects in addition to Jung:

On 8/16/2022 at 8:33 PM, jay87shot said:

I would think Woodruff should get a package around Luis Castillo. Where Lauer would get a little less than Frankie Montas but thier numbers are close the past couple years and Lauer has less injury concern.

Woodruff for 3B Jung, P Owen White, 1B Dustin Harris, and P Cole Raggans

We would get 2 quality arms and 2 potential high end bats.

or 

Lauer for Jung and Raggans

I would guess the Ranger would be a little leary giving up Jung for a #3 starter so. The Woody deal makes more sense.

 

After 2+ weeks, I would modify the above to slot Turang as the 2B and use Urias as a super utility player.  Jettison Wong any way we can as his defense is now abysmal so as a late inning replacement he doesn't pass the grade.  Keeping him around as a LH PH is possible, but I think they could find a vet with more power in free agency who wouldn't cost as much and Tellez would be available some games if they find a RH platoon for him. Heck if they wanted to pay Wong, why not just invest in Jace since he has more versatility and at this point is a better value.

[monty57]

20 hours ago, adambr2 said:

Regardless of what happens, I think we need to take a step back and perhaps consider that we no longer appear to be heading in the right direction as an organization. 

I agree that this season has been somewhat disappointing, and that there are a lot of important decisions to be made this off-season, but I don’t believe that the organization is heading in the wrong direction. Anything can happen in a season, so don’t get too discouraged by a down year  

The stated goal is to remain “continually competitive,” and during their string of playoff appearances, they have been able to rebuild their farm, turning it from one of the worst systems in baseball to one that now has multiple guys ready to contribute now, and a lot of young talent in the lower levels. 
 

That really opens up the options. Trading a Cy Young-caliber talent like Burnes or Woodruff is always going to sting, but having a stable-full of good pitchers will lessen the pain. We could bring back a king’s ransom in young talent by trading one of these guys, while retaining the other to be the Ace of the staff. Peralta and Lauer round out a nice top of the rotation, Ashby has hit some growing pains, but has the stuff to be a top-of-the-rotation guy in the future, and we have multiple options like Houser, Small, and Gasser as our #5. Even after trading one of Burnes and Woodruff, our pitching should be a strength. 
 

Yelich is going to be a mainstay for years. While we would all prefer the MVP numbers, he is still a positive value player in his current version, and he’s young enough to think he could be a good OBP guy at the top of the order for several years. We have multiple MLB-ready OF to allow for Stearns to consider trading Renfroe, or we could hold onto him. It still amazes me that we got him for JBJ. 
 

Turang is ready for his shot, so it will be interesting to see what we do with the infield. Peterson (a FA after the season) has pretty much taken over for Urias, so they are obviously down on him, and I think they’ll look for a way (trade or FA) to upgrade 3B. Teller is good enough that we don’t have to make finding a 1B a necessity, although it is a possibility. 
 

As to the McCutchen references, I’m not opposed to filling holes through FA, but it has to be holes, not key players. Someone signed to a one year deal should not be looked at as a key player. We should have a nice young core of players, and short-term FA signees should compliment that. 
 

There will be a lot of turnover in the next few off seasons due to guys nearing free agency. I see this as opportunity to bring in a lot of talented young players and continue to produce playoff-caliber teams. 

[Robocaller]

Step One: let McCutchen, Wong, and Peterson walk.

Step Two: Sign Nolan Arenado to a 4 year $160M contract.

Step Three: Promote Turang and two of our 4 OF prospects. Play Turang at 2b, Urias as super-utility.

Step Four: Trade TT for an excellent middle reliever.

Step Five: Have our pitching be dominant again.

Getting Arenado is about the only way to drastically increase our chances. No other FA at a position of need is worthwhile paying big $. Without him, might as well bring back Peterson.

Added in edit:

Step Six: Let Narvaez walk, replace with Feliciano or give a chance to one of the AAAA catchers in our system..

[Jim French Stepstool]

1 hour ago, monty57 said:

I agree that this season has been somewhat disappointing, and that there are a lot of important decisions to be made this off-season, but I don’t believe that the organization is heading in the wrong direction. Anything can happen in a season, so don’t get too discouraged by a down year  

The stated goal is to remain “continually competitive,” and during their string of playoff appearances, they have been able to rebuild their farm, turning it from one of the worst systems in baseball to one that now has multiple guys ready to contribute now, and a lot of young talent in the lower levels. 
 

That really opens up the options. Trading a Cy Young-caliber talent like Burnes or Woodruff is always going to sting, but having a stable-full of good pitchers will lessen the pain. We could bring back a king’s ransom in young talent by trading one of these guys, while retaining the other to be the Ace of the staff. Peralta and Lauer round out a nice top of the rotation, Ashby has hit some growing pains, but has the stuff to be a top-of-the-rotation guy in the future, and we have multiple options like Houser, Small, and Gasser as our #5. Even after trading one of Burnes and Woodruff, our pitching should be a strength. 
 

Yelich is going to be a mainstay for years. While we would all prefer the MVP numbers, he is still a positive value player in his current version, and he’s young enough to think he could be a good OBP guy at the top of the order for several years. We have multiple MLB-ready OF to allow for Stearns to consider trading Renfroe, or we could hold onto him. It still amazes me that we got him for JBJ. 
 

Turang is ready for his shot, so it will be interesting to see what we do with the infield. Peterson (a FA after the season) has pretty much taken over for Urias, so they are obviously down on him, and I think they’ll look for a way (trade or FA) to upgrade 3B. Teller is good enough that we don’t have to make finding a 1B a necessity, although it is a possibility. 
 

As to the McCutchen references, I’m not opposed to filling holes through FA, but it has to be holes, not key players. Someone signed to a one year deal should not be looked at as a key player. We should have a nice young core of players, and short-term FA signees should compliment that. 
 

There will be a lot of turnover in the next few off seasons due to guys nearing free agency. I see this as opportunity to bring in a lot of talented young players and continue to produce playoff-caliber teams. 

Agree with pretty much all of this. The direction they're heading in isn't "wrong" so much as it's a retooling based on building strength through the farm system, which IMO is a necessity. This certainly could lead to trading one of the two "aces", which is made more possible by the fact that talent-wise I believe they can afford to do so given the locking-up of Ashby & Peralta & some of the emerging talent in the system.

When I think of Yelich, I'm reminded of power hitters who have suddenly "lost it" & thus became close to worthless. That's not what we're dealing with here. I don't know if anyone's ever had a 40-HR guy who lost his big power, was moved to leadoff, and gave you acceptable or better performance there. It's doesn't jibe with the contract but to have a role he can fill, whatever that may be, is certainly better than the alternative.

While Adames has a lot of maturing to do consistency-wise, let's keep in mind he & Tellez have been two of our most productive hitters over one-and-a-half seasons, and we're talking about two in-season acquisitions. No one bats 1.000 but Stearns has more than proven himself regarding personnel decisions. The McCutchen signing had some risk--as much risk as you can attach to a one-year deal--but at the time there was a hole to be filled at DH. Coming in to 2022 there was zero reason to think Keston Hiura would return to any semblance of his first year #s.

Unless you're looking to be non-competitive for a few years--something that we know doesn't fit their philosophy--we'll almost certainly see a trade or two that includes some of the prospects we've been hearing a lot about. There's too many ready or close to ready & not enough spots to fill. It's intriguing to me when I think about who might go & who stays as it's certainly not an easy call.

Due predominantly to the rebuilding of the farm, I think we're in good shape. Organizations can be in good shape & have disappointing seasons, and so far this certainly is one.

[Samurai Bucky]

This:  https://wisportsheroics.com/the-struggling-brewers-offense-needs-to-fix-two-problems/

Their approach to the plate has been horrid.  It also hasn't been this year, but the last couple of years.

Yes, I know.  Complain about 3PO, people say it is OK as long as OBP is up, we complain about K's (well, not really as long as the OBP is up), then complain that the Crew can't hit.  What is the approach when they come to the plate?  Are they overthinking because of advanced stats and Sabermetrics?  If it is because of talent, then cut all of the Free Agents, and bring up the young guys from AAA.  Do not trade Burnes, Woodruff and Peralta.  They have been solid except for the last few games.  It is tough going out there knowing you have to throw a shutout EVERY NIGHT to have a chance.

The approach of the offense is garbage.  Fix that above all else.

[wallus]

I don't have any issues with the guys/personalities on the team but the brand of baseball this team plays is the worst I can remember. I used to try and catch every game and now it's every so often. Yes I want to win but let's make it more entertaining at the very least.

[LouisEly]

6 hours ago, monty57 said:

That really opens up the options. Trading a Cy Young-caliber talent like Burnes or Woodruff is always going to sting, but having a stable-full of good pitchers will lessen the pain.
 

I think there are two truths that need to be acknowledged.

1) The Brewers are never going to match up "on paper" with the Dodgers so long as the current economic system is in place in MLB.  The Brewers are going to have to get lucky to make the World Series, much less win one.

2) Per what I quoted above, in 2016 the White Sox had two All-Star starting pitchers - Chris Sale and Jose Quintana.  They traded them for packages that included Michael Kopech and Dylan Cease.  While Sale and Quintana had two more good seasons each, neither proved to be worth a big contract.  The Brewers are going to have to trade Woodruff and Burnes for packages that include some young high-upside pitchers that could potentially replace them.  Yes, Woodruff and Burnes can be replaced with similar talent.

The question is when.

For pitchers, it doesn't have to be in the offseason - they are arguably worth as much if not more at the deadline, so there is no harm in going into 2023 with both and then seeing where things are in July.  (Quintana was a July trade.)  The risk is if one of them gets hurt or regresses (which we could be seeing with Burnes now).  But there isn't a need to trade prior to July, 2023. 

We saw the lack of CF options at the trade deadline this year.  If Mitchell and Frelick (and Ruiz) pan out, they can trade one of them for a haul.  Adames has his faults, but among the 30 SS with at least 200 PAs this season he's 8th in WAR - they can get a significant return for him too. 

What the Brewers need in 2023 is:

1. A healthy Peralta/Woodruff/Ashby
2. Burnes to find his 2021 form and cutter
3. Ashby to take a step forward like Burnes/Peralta did
4. Hiura to replace McCutchen's ABs and continue what Hiura has done in the 2nd half (2nd half OPS .871)
5. Yelich to continue his .400 OBP (2nd half OBP .389) and find his 20-25 HR stroke
6. One of Mitchell/Frelick to be a >2.5 WAR CF
7. Williams to be comfortable as the closer and Rogers back (and his ERA matches his 2022 FIP)
8. Either an upgrade at 3B or (more realistically) a Peterson/Brosseau platoon at 3B with Urias in a super sub bench role
9. Better offensive production at catcher (Caratini 2nd half OPS .443, Narvaez 2nd half OPS .505)

It all starts with Burnes/Woodruff/Peralta/Ashby and the back end of the bullpen - those are the horses they have to ride.

[Jopal78]

1 hour ago, LouisEly said:

I think there are two truths that need to be acknowledged.

1) The Brewers are never going to match up "on paper" with the Dodgers so long as the current economic system is in place in MLB.  The Brewers are going to have to get lucky to make the World Series, much less win one.

2) Per what I quoted above, in 2016 the White Sox had two All-Star starting pitchers - Chris Sale and Jose Quintana.  They traded them for packages that included Michael Kopech and Dylan Cease.  While Sale and Quintana had two more good seasons each, neither proved to be worth a big contract.  The Brewers are going to have to trade Woodruff and Burnes for packages that include some young high-upside pitchers that could potentially replace them.  Yes, Woodruff and Burnes can be replaced with similar talent.

The question is when.

For pitchers, it doesn't have to be in the offseason - they are arguably worth as much if not more at the deadline, so there is no harm in going into 2023 with both and then seeing where things are in July.  (Quintana was a July trade.)  The risk is if one of them gets hurt or regresses (which we could be seeing with Burnes now).  But there isn't a need to trade prior to July, 2023. 

We saw the lack of CF options at the trade deadline this year.  If Mitchell and Frelick (and Ruiz) pan out, they can trade one of them for a haul.  Adames has his faults, but among the 30 SS with at least 200 PAs this season he's 8th in WAR - they can get a significant return for him too. 

What the Brewers need in 2023 is:

1. A healthy Peralta/Woodruff/Ashby
2. Burnes to find his 2021 form and cutter
3. Ashby to take a step forward like Burnes/Peralta did
4. Hiura to replace McCutchen's ABs and continue what Hiura has done in the 2nd half (2nd half OPS .871)
5. Yelich to continue his .400 OBP (2nd half OBP .389) and find his 20-25 HR stroke
6. One of Mitchell/Frelick to be a >2.5 WAR CF
7. Williams to be comfortable as the closer and Rogers back (and his ERA matches his 2022 FIP)
8. Either an upgrade at 3B or (more realistically) a Peterson/Brosseau platoon at 3B with Urias in a super sub bench role
9. Better offensive production at catcher (Caratini 2nd half OPS .443, Narvaez 2nd half OPS .505)

It all starts with Burnes/Woodruff/Peralta/Ashby and the back end of the bullpen - those are the horses they have to ride.

That team is no different than this years and wins 85 games.

Be like Oakland and take it down to the studs. Dump everyone who is arbitration eligible and start over: Burnes, Woodruff, Houser, Suter, Renfroe, Adames, Urias, Caratini, Hiura, Bush, Tellez etc,

The hitting isn’t good enough to win a title, and the pitching will be gone via free agency before the hitters in the minor leagues develop into productive major leaguers. 
 

Load up on the talent now and take their lumps in 2023 with Yelich, Ruiz, Mitchell, Turang, Taylor, Peralta, Ashby, Williams, etc. 

[Brewcrew82]

12 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

That team is no different than this years and wins 85 games.

Be like Oakland and take it down to the studs. Dump everyone who is arbitration eligible and start over: Burnes, Woodruff, Houser, Suter, Renfroe, Adames, Urias, Caratini, Hiura, Bush, Tellez etc,

The hitting isn’t good enough to win a title, and the pitching will be gone via free agency before the hitters in the minor leagues develop into productive major leaguers. 
 

Load up on the talent now and take their lumps in 2023 with Yelich, Ruiz, Mitchell, Turang, Taylor, Peralta, Ashby, Williams, etc. 

I think Stearns made it clear at the deadline that this is not happening. 

[Jopal78]

Sure, and missing the playoffs all together  when there were heightened expectations most assuredly changes things.

In other words. at the deadline Stearns believed his team was better than it is or he wouldn’t have made the moves he did. I’m fact, given the Mets success and the Brewers exploding like a cheap cigar, Stearns’ prestige in the game has likely taken a hit as well.

[Brewcrew82]

Just now, Jopal78 said:

Sure, and missing the playoffs all together  when there were heightened expectations most assuredly changes things.

No it doesn't. He literally said that the fans nor the owner have any appetite for a complete rebuild. What you are proposing is literally a complete rebuild. Now, they may trade some guys, but they're not going to gut the team. 

[Jopal78]

5 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

No it doesn't. He literally said that the fans nor the owner have any appetite for a complete rebuild. What you are proposing is literally a complete rebuild. Now, they may trade some guys, but they're not going to gut the team. 

Maybe not. Jerry Reinsdorf is reputed to have said finishing 2nd is best for business. Perhaps the owner and front office are happy to run it back with hopes of getting lucky and if not finishing second.

Without an influx of talent, they are what they are though: last amongst the NL teams trying to compete 

[Brewcrew82]

1 minute ago, Jopal78 said:

Maybe not. Jerry Reinsdorf is reputed to have said finishing 2nd is best for business. Perhaps the owner and front office are happy to run it back with hopes of getting lucky and if not finishing second.

Without an influx of talent, they are what they are: last amongst the NL teams trying to compete 

Lots of money coming off the books and lots of really good prospects in AAA. Plenty of room for improvement. Plus, we can look forward to our rotation not being decimated by injuries again. 

[Jopal78]

6 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Lots of money coming off the books and lots of really good prospects in AAA. Plenty of room for improvement. 

You’re dreaming! The price of an elite MLB free agent is 20+ million a year. You honestly think they’re  going to sign an elite free agent… not happening.

The Brewers have some decent prospects but they don’t have Bryce Harper or Kris Bryant close to the majors ie. Someone projects as an immediate middle of the order hitter. Take off the Brewer colored glasses!

They should blow it up, but you’re right they’ll likely run it back with a different set of bandaids next year. 

[Brewcrew82]

8 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

You’re dreaming! The price of a ln elite MLB free agent is 20+ million a year. You think they’re honestly going to sign an elite free agent… not happening.

The Brewers have some decent prospects but they don’t have Bryce Harper or Kris Bryant close to the majors where anyone projects as an immediate middle of the order hitter. Take off the Brewer colored glasses!

They should blow it up, but you’re right they’ll likely run it back with a different set of bandaids next year. 

Calm down man and quit it with the accusations. They make you look ridiculous.

Where did I say they were going to sign an elite free agent? You'll notice that I didn't. I'm quite aware of the Brewers' limitations when it comes to free agency. However, that doesn't mean that they won't be able to find real improvements for the team with the money they'll have available. See, Grandal, Yasmani; Garcia, Avisail, etc.

What this team really needs is an infusion of contact hitters and less home run-or-nothing players. That's exactly what guys like Sal Frelick and Brice Turang will give you. 

Finally, did you forget that this very same team won 95 games last year? So much has gone wrong this year and that they're still somehow contending for a playoff spot says something imo 

Okay, now time for me to put my Brewer colored glasses back on. 

[Jopal78]

6 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Calm down man and quit it with the accusations. They make you look ridiculous.

Where did I say they were going to sign an elite free agent? You'll notice that I didn't. I'm quite aware of the Brewers' limitations when it comes to free agency. However, that doesn't mean that they won't be able to find real improvements for the team. See, Grandal, Yasmani; Garcia, Avisail, etc.

What this team really needs is an infusion of contact hitters and less home run-or-nothing players. That's exactly what guys like Sal Frelick and Brice Turang will give you. 

Finally, did you forget that this very same team won 95 games last year? So much has gone wrong this year and that their still contending for a playoff spot is quite impressive imo. 

Okay, now time for me to put my Brewer colored glasses back on. 

Yep, contact hitters don’t forget to see Garret Mitchell’s .135 average. It’s early, he could be great but just like all the other minor leaguers they have close to the majors, none of these players are likely to hit the ground running without their own struggles. So immediate improvement from plugging in some rookies is still sorry to say, dreaming.

Stearns said earlier this year that offensive improvement would likely have to come from within. Problem is, their hitters are all likely at or near their ceilings and they’re not good enough to run with the big dogs. Meanwhile the pitching is getting more service time and going to eat up more and more of the payroll limiting what they can do to improve the cumulative talent level Of the team.

[Austin Tatious]

I expect our minor league call ups to require mlb development time, just like our pitchers like Burnes, Woody. Peralta and Lauer.  But in time, I expect guys like Turang and some of our OF prospects to give us an infusion of quality regulars.  They might take their lumps for awhile though.  That’s standard.  

[Brewcrew82]

6 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

Yep, contact hitters don’t forget to see Garret Mitchell’s .135 average. It’s early, he could be great but just like all the other minor leaguers they have close to the majors, none of these players are likely to hit the ground running without their own struggles. So immediate improvement from plugging in some rookies is still sorry to say, dreaming.

Stearns said earlier this year that offensive improvement would likely have yo come from within. Problem is, their hitters are all likely at or near their ceilings and they’re not good enough to run with the big dogs. Meanwhile the pitching is getting more service time and going to eat up more and more of the payroll. 

Please show me where I mentioned Garrett Mitchell? Oh, that's right. I didn't. Mitchell is not a contact hitter; Frelick and Turang are. And Garrett Mitchell has been in the majors for what, like a week? Meanwhile, you have guys like Harris, Grissom, and Donovan, making an instant impact for contending ballclubs. So, no, there is no dreaming necessary.

Anyways, I'm done with this debate now as all you seem to be interested in is making crap up and putting me down. 

[Jopal78]

8 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Please show me where I mentioned Garrett Mitchell? Oh, that's right. I didn't. Mitchell is not a contact hitter; Frelick and Turang are. And Garrett Mitchell has been in the majors for what, like a week? Meanwhile, you have guys like Harris, Grissom, and Donovan, making an instant impact for contending ballclubs. So, no, there is no dreaming necessary.

Anyways, I'm done with this debate now as all you seem to be interested in is putting me down. 

I’m not putting you down you’re simply not being realistic. 
 

The Brewers do not have, according to the pundits, a “can’t miss” prospect close to the major leagues. Therefore it’s fantasy to suggest they’ll simply plug in some rookies and magically cure what ails them.

It doesn’t matter what the Brewers did in 2021, they essentially took that 95 win team and ran it back and they’ll be lucky to win 85 games this year. Maybe they’ve been unlucky this year but it’s daydreaming to think they’ll magically rebound to a 95 win team in 2023 with a couple of different band aids.

Literally they’re in last place amongst the teams trying to win in the NL and where 40% of the teams now make the post season they’re still most likely going to miss.

 

[Brewcrew82]

1 minute ago, Jopal78 said:

I’m not putting you down you’re simply not being realistic. 
 

The Brewers do not have, according to the pundits, “can’t miss” prospect close to the major leagues. Therefore it’s fantasy to suggest they’ll simply plug in some rookies and magically cure what ails them.

It doesn’t matter what the Brewers did in 2021, they essentially took that 95 win team and ran it back and they’ll be lucky to win 85 games this year. Maybe they’ve been unlucky this year but it’s daydreaming to think they’ll magically rebound to a 95 win team in 2023.

Literally they’re in last place amongst the teams trying to win in the NL and where 40% of the teams now make the post season they’re still most likely going to miss.

 

And were Grissom, Harris, Strider, Donovan, can't miss prospects?

Also, maybe it's relevant that all three of our top starting pitchers were healthy for basically the entire year last year, whereas that hasn't been the case this season. 

You think I'm daydreaming, but maybe you're the one that's not thinking realistically....

[Jopal78]

2 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

And were Grissom, Harris, Strider, Donovan, can't miss prospects?

Also, maybe it's relevant that all three of our top starting pitchers were healthy for basically the entire year last year, whereas that hasn't been the case this season. 

You think I'm daydreaming, but maybe you're the one that's not thinking realistically....

Anything is possible, the real question is what’s most probable that’s what you don’t want to discuss.