Packers 2023 Discussion Thread

[Joseph Zarr]

38 minutes ago, LouisEly said:

I'm surprised this is in the Packers 2023 thread.  🙂

Fair play, Sir! Fair play.

[CheezWizHed]

17 hours ago, LouisEly said:

I'm surprised this is in the Packers 2023 thread.  🙂

We are in the NFL news deadzone... waiting for the Rodgers trade, waiting for the NFL draft, waiting for the LouisEly NFL Draft prediction...

[patrickgpe]

27 minutes ago, CheezWizHed said:

We are in the NFL news deadzone... waiting for the Rodgers trade, waiting for the NFL draft, waiting for the LouisEly NFL Draft prediction...

Packers are kind of being held hostage until the Rodgers trade is complete. Really only signed ST Free Agents to date. 

[CheezWizHed]

8 minutes ago, patrickgpe said:

Packers are kind of being held hostage until the Rodgers trade is complete. Really only signed ST Free Agents to date. 

I don't see that changing after the trade.  This is going to be a reboot year.  Clear the salary cap of his $40M, focus on the draft and Love's development, then go after FA holes next year. 

[Matt Breen]

4 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

I don't see that changing after the trade.  This is going to be a reboot year.  Clear the salary cap of his $40M, focus on the draft and Love's development, then go after FA holes next year. 

Yep. Don't push too much pain into the future. Just suck it up for a year while Love is still getting his footing. 

[CheezWizHed]

3 hours ago, reillymcshane said:

Yep. Don't push too much pain into the future. Just suck it up for a year while Love is still getting his footing. 

Exactly. I'd love to think Love is going to be an All-Pro next year, but Rodgers and Favre's early years included growing pains. Might as well focus on the youth this year and expect a 6 win season.  Then our salary cap is "cleaner" and we have more flexibility to do something.  Or perhaps even learn that Love isn't the QB we need. 

[HarryDoyle]

Packers legend John Brockington has died.

https://www.ballysports.com/wisconsin/news/former-green-bay-packers-all-pro-fullback-john-brockington-dies-at-74?fbclid=IwAR2g98lfn72ypVkTG1yyLX6az7DctISEkP9OML85fiBn3hH3598tjKLRYw4

[Matt Breen]

2 hours ago, HarryDoyle said:

Packers legend John Brockington has died.

https://www.ballysports.com/wisconsin/news/former-green-bay-packers-all-pro-fullback-john-brockington-dies-at-74?fbclid=IwAR2g98lfn72ypVkTG1yyLX6az7DctISEkP9OML85fiBn3hH3598tjKLRYw4

Brockington had a few really good years, but was just really mediocre (and bad) after his first three years. And the quarterback play in his time was just atrocious. Guys like Scott Hunter, Jerry Tagge, and aging John Hadl - just brutal. 

[PeaveyFury]

On 3/16/2023 at 4:25 PM, PeaveyFury said:

The Packers are in a situation where if things stall out, I wouldn't be stunned to hear someone like Shefter reporting in the next week that the Colts have 'put feelers out' to Green Bay to inquire about Rodgers....

Well, didn't expect it to be the 49ers, but here we are:

 

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Lol, my $20 China Rodgers Jets jersey arrived today. Kinda hope it's the 49ers now.

[wallus]

1 hour ago, PeaveyFury said:

Well, didn't expect it to be the 49ers, but here we are:

 

Gotta imagine the Jets GM gets fired if he botches the Rodgers trade. 

Yes the Jets COULD sign Lamar Jackson but the Ravens could just as easily match and then the Jets either stick with Wilson or spend a ton of draft capital to move up and get a rookie.

[nate82]

52 minutes ago, wallus said:

Yes the Jets COULD sign Lamar Jackson but the Ravens could just as easily match and then the Jets either stick with Wilson or spend a ton of draft capital to move up and get a rookie.

It is extremely unlikely the Ravens will match any offer unless it is within what they are willing to pay Lamar Jackson.  Right now the Ravens haven't even come close to Jackson's contract demands.  If a team meets or comes close to what Jackson is asking for I highly doubt the Ravens will match at all. 

[wallus]

16 minutes ago, nate82 said:

Right now the Ravens haven't even come close to Jackson's contract demands.  

Right now no one has even offered Jackson anything other than the Ravens.

[nate82]

Just now, wallus said:

Right now no one has even offered Jackson anything other than the Ravens.

Right and the Ravens are not willing to give Jackson a deal similar to what the Browns gave Watson.  That is the deal Jackson is looking for.  If a team does this the Ravens will not match it. 

[wallus]

2 minutes ago, nate82 said:

Right and the Ravens are not willing to give Jackson a deal similar to what the Browns gave Watson.  That is the deal Jackson is looking for.  If a team does this the Ravens will not match it. 

If I were the Colts, I would sign Jackson right after the draft but that's me.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

13 hours ago, wallus said:

Gotta imagine the Jets GM gets fired if he botches the Rodgers trade. 

Yes the Jets COULD sign Lamar Jackson but the Ravens could just as easily match and then the Jets either stick with Wilson or spend a ton of draft capital to move up and get a rookie.

I think the Packers have a set value on Rodgers, and they aren't willing to budge. As is their right. The Packers have both their chosen 2023 QB in Love, and a valuable commodity in Rodgers. I believe that the contract is SO bad because the Packers had to give in to Rodgers for him to agree to a multi-year deal instead of just going year-to-year and becoming a free agent. I think it was always the intention to deal him this offseason (actually I think there were people in the building that wanted to deal him LAST offseason, but Murphy stepped in and stopped it). 

I think it is obvious by this point that the Packers and Jets both know what the Packers are asking for in a trade. The Jets are simply dragging their feet, because they are concerned about the optics of "winning" the trade. From what I've heard of Joe Douglas, he's is kind of egotistical douche, so it makes perfect sense that he's trying to strongarm Gute. But the Packers hold more cards here. Yes, 2023 draft compensation would be nice, but if the Jets continue to drag their feet, the Packers can continue to let Rodgers sit until the end of August. And who knows what other interest might surface by then? All I know is that the Jets fanbase is getting antsy (after thinking for weeks they were getting Rodgers for the same package they got Favre for), and as a Packer fan, it's pretty exciting.

[Matt Breen]

I get the feeling the Ravens are in the same boat with Jackson as we are with Rodgers. They are just tired of it all and want to move on. I read some stuff that the Ravens were miffed that Jackson never came back at the end of last year. 

Maybe I'm wrong. I just get a vibe that these two might need to break up. So like someone said, maybe they'll take a couple of first rounders and be done. Of course, that sort of screws 2023 - but I'm sure they are thinking it's for the best in the long term. 

 

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

1 hour ago, reillymcshane said:

I get the feeling the Ravens are in the same boat with Jackson as we are with Rodgers. They are just tired of it all and want to move on. I read some stuff that the Ravens were miffed that Jackson never came back at the end of last year. 

Maybe I'm wrong. I just get a vibe that these two might need to break up. So like someone said, maybe they'll take a couple of first rounders and be done. Of course, that sort of screws 2023 - but I'm sure they are thinking it's for the best in the long term. 

 

The Ravens are the NFL's philosophical kings of the "bites at the apple" approach. Case in point - they by far lead the league in the number of compensation draft picks rewarded through the loss of free agents the last 20 years. It wouldn't really surprise me at all if they felt that they have reached their ceiling with Jackson as the starting QB, and would take picks and start over at the position, rather than hand Jackson a cap-crippling contract.

[CheezWizHed]

The Jets get their Packer QB!!!!

Oh wait, it is former Packer clipboard holder Tim Boyle.  

The Jets do know we didn't win the Superbowl in 2020, right???  Seems like they are trying to replicate that team...only 3 years older.

[KeithStone53151]

Between this and the 49ers rumored to be getting involved...I suspect the price is only going up.......

[adambr2]

I suspect the 49ers involvement is much ado about nothing. I think the price is set and known to both the Packers and Jets and basically a done deal that just isn't going to become official until draft day or close to the draft as a matter of tactical preference for both. Not buying that the 49ers interest is anything more than media driven speculation. 

The 49ers also don't have anything other than a boatload of late 3rds this year, which would make them a pretty horrendous trade partner anyway. 

Its the Jets. IMO, it's going to be one of the Jets 2nds and something else next year, probably another 2nd, and the only matter of dramatics is whether or not and how likely that 2nd next year can become a 1st.

[SeaBass]

It would be very Rodgers of him to demand that the trade not be officially announced until just before the draft so that there's no external pressure from fans/media about him reporting to the off-season workouts, etc. that begin for the Jets on April 18.

[Fear The Chorizo]

3 hours ago, adambr2 said:

I suspect the 49ers involvement is much ado about nothing. I think the price is set and known to both the Packers and Jets and basically a done deal that just isn't going to become official until draft day or close to the draft as a matter of tactical preference for both. Not buying that the 49ers interest is anything more than media driven speculation. 

The 49ers also don't have anything other than a boatload of late 3rds this year, which would make them a pretty horrendous trade partner anyway. 

Its the Jets. IMO, it's going to be one of the Jets 2nds and something else next year, probably another 2nd, and the only matter of dramatics is whether or not and how likely that 2nd next year can become a 1st.

The 49ers would probably try to swing a trade of Lance initially to pick up some other team's 1st to send to GB for Rodgers, possibly include a player from a loaded roster as part of a trade  - or just include a future 1st and a pile of this year's 3rds as a trade package.  It's less likely than the Jets based on the legwork already done, but it's not that far-fetched.

If the 49ers haven't recently shown the ability to be uber aggressive with trades, I'd tend to agree with you that it's just baseless rumors...and the fact they inquired about trading for Rodgers two offseasons ago...honestly if I was an aging QB looking for 1 more solid shot at a ring that'd be the 1st roster I'd want to be traded into.

[KeithStone53151]

It's certainly hard to know whether the 49ers are actually involved, but they can certainly be viewed as a good fit for him. If the 49ers offered 2 3rds and a 1st next year i think that's plenty of value. All speculation, Rodgers successfully keeping himself in the headlines as long as possible.

[MrTPlush]

You guys are really trying your hardest to make this hold up being because of Aaron Rodgers.