Packers 2023 Discussion Thread

[PeaveyFury]

29 minutes ago, MrTPlush said:

You guys are really trying your hardest to make this hold up being because of Aaron Rodgers.

Though I am very done with Rodgers and don't believe half of 'his side' of this thing, I agree completely. This is a Packers/Jets holdup, not a Rodgers-side thing.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

1 hour ago, MrTPlush said:

You guys are really trying your hardest to make this hold up being because of Aaron Rodgers.

Hold up obviously isn't on Rodgers. I firmly believe that the Packers have attached a value to Rodgers, though, and are refusing to come off of it. As is their right. It's a little bit of a game of chicken right now. Some speculation out there of what the return package may look like, but nothing concrete. I give both teams credit for keeping most leaks under wraps.

[adambr2]

5 hours ago, KeithStone53151 said:

It's certainly hard to know whether the 49ers are actually involved, but they can certainly be viewed as a good fit for him. If the 49ers offered 2 3rds and a 1st next year i think that's plenty of value. All speculation, Rodgers successfully keeping himself in the headlines as long as possible.

Given Gute's track record with 3rds I have basically no interest in those, especially late. 

49ers are one of the best in the league with or without Rodgers so I'd venture that hypothetical 24 1st is very late. 

I'd speculate Gute would prefer to get some help now to kick off the Love era and get a low 40s pick and some additional capital next year. 

[igor67]

What would it cost to just have Wolf make the 3rd round pick?

[wallus]

1 hour ago, igor67 said:

What would it cost to just have Wolf make the 3rd round pick?

I would rather they use ChatGPT

[SeaBass]

On 4/10/2023 at 7:49 PM, wallus said:

I would rather they use ChatGPT

Has anyone asked ChatGPT for its version of a mock draft yet? I'd wonder if it's any better than an auto draft setting for a default fantasy league.

[nate82]

12 hours ago, SeaBass said:

Has anyone asked ChatGPT for its version of a mock draft yet? I'd wonder if it's any better than an auto draft setting for a default fantasy league.

ChatGPT only goes to 2021.  So a bunch of players who would be rated highly in 2021 would be my guess.

[Matt Breen]

So, the latest buzz is that Jets owner Woody Johnson is the main person holding up the Rodgers. The clubs - reportedly - had agreed to compensation before the Packers gave the Jets permission to chat. The problem that arose was that Rodgers came out saying 'I was 90% retired' before his isolation retreat thingee. 

That made Woody Johnson freak out, because he's concerned Rodgers is one-and-done. And thus he wanted to back off the deal that had been agreed upon. 

The deal the Packers supposedly agreed to was a 2nd in 2023, and a 1st in 2024. But now the Jets don't want give up the 1st round pick next year. And the Packers aren't budging on the matter. Thus the standoff. 

I don't know how much of this is true - just paraphrasing various things I've read the past day or so. 

 

[Matt Breen]

On 4/13/2023 at 9:42 AM, SeaBass said:

Has anyone asked ChatGPT for its version of a mock draft yet? I'd wonder if it's any better than an auto draft setting for a default fantasy league.

I asked ChatGPT for a mock draft. It can't do it. It won't predict the future. And its knowledge base is limited up through 2021. So no luck.

[SeaBass]

21 minutes ago, reillymcshane said:

That made Woody Johnson freak out, because he's concerned Rodgers is one-and-done. And thus he wanted to back off the deal that had been agreed upon. 

I know how some people around here feel about conspiracy theories but the Packers can just say, "How do we not know that you and Rodgers cooked up the 90% retired comment when you met with him before he went on the Pat McAfee show?" I don't think that's altogether implausible even if it's more on the unlikely side of the odds.

26 minutes ago, reillymcshane said:

The deal the Packers supposedly agreed to was a 2nd in 2023, and a 1st in 2024. But now the Jets don't want give up the 1st round pick next year. And the Packers aren't budging on the matter. Thus the standoff. 

What I've seen is that the 1st in 2024 was originally agreed to be unconditional, now they want qualifiers, i.e. 2nd round pick that if it meets conditions could be a 1st depending on Rodgers health and/or Jets record at the end of 2023.

I've also seen that the Jets are now off including the 1st altogether because they don't want a Denver/Russell Wilson situation. I almost wonder if they're trying to back off a 2nd in 2024 as well. I haven't heard anything on that, just speculating.

Saw another report that the Packers are not against discussing sending a pick back to the Jets in 2025 if Rodgers retires/doesn't play in 2024.

So based on all those things it seems to me that the Packers aren't being super unreasonable. They'd like the Jets to honor the original agreement. Seems reasonable. They're not demanding a 1st this season, they're not against returning compensation if Rodgers doesn't play in 2024. I'm biased of course but I think the Jets look worse in this situation. Assuming all of that is true, can't know for sure.

[Fear The Chorizo]

31 minutes ago, reillymcshane said:

So, the latest buzz is that Jets owner Woody Johnson is the main person holding up the Rodgers. The clubs - reportedly - had agreed to compensation before the Packers gave the Jets permission to chat. The problem that arose was that Rodgers came out saying 'I was 90% retired' before his isolation retreat thingee. 

That made Woody Johnson freak out, because he's concerned Rodgers is one-and-done. And thus he wanted to back off the deal that had been agreed upon. 

The deal the Packers supposedly agreed to was a 2nd in 2023, and a 1st in 2024. But now the Jets don't want give up the 1st round pick next year. And the Packers aren't budging on the matter. Thus the standoff. 

I don't know how much of this is true - just paraphrasing various things I've read the past day or so. 

 

This actually makes alot of sense given what happened with Favre retiring/unretiring after just 1 season with the Jets, and leaving Woody with a front office/coaching staff in major flux right after it due to firings.

If true, that proposed trade package would be solid compensation headed back to GB knowing the 2nd is in the top 45 picks and with the expectation that GB will probably have a mid to high 1st round pick in 2024 assuming Love isn't instantly a HOF starter in 2023.  If the Jets are making the 2024 1st conditional on Rodgers playing more than just 1 more season, the Packers should hold firm on demanding it no matter what and wait as other teams keep kicking the tires on a trade.

 

[SeaBass]

6 minutes ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

If the Jets are making the 2024 1st conditional on Rodgers playing more than just 1 more season

This is unenforcable. Rodgers can retire pre-draft and unretire after it and they've beat the system. GB won't agree to these types of terms which is why there are talks about draft picks going back to the Jets in 2025 should Rodgers not play in 2024.

[adambr2]

Freaking out over Rodgers saying he was "90% retired" before he went on the retreat is a cop out. It's Aaron Rodgers, he just says stuff. I don't believe for a second that Rodgers was 90% committed to retiring now and forfeiting 60 million before he went into his retreat.

The man is 39, the possibility always exists that he won't be long for the NFL. 

[GAME05]

Packers asking price isn't unreasonable at all. Keep the 1st as guaranteed and send a 4th if Rodgers doesn't play for the Jets the following year. Jets are a SB-contending team with Rodgers next year, so it's not a big ask on the Packers' end even for one go-for-it year out of NY.

The Russel Wilson comparison is silly. Denver paid that in part because they knew they'd be getting another 5-6 years out of him. The Jets are treating it as if they're trading for Charlie Batch or Jacoby Brisette and not getting a 4x MVP. Agreed that the 90% retired stuff is a cop-out--can you expect anything else out of a 39 y/o QB?

Packers are right to hold firm here. If the Jets won't give that up for Rodgers they sure would never give up what it would take to get Lamar Jackson and they sure can't go into next season with Zach Wilson as their starter and punt on what would be a playoff season. And with Jets fans dreaming of Rodgers for a while now I'd only imagine the longer this goes the louder Jets fans will get for this not getting done.

[Matt Breen]

47 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

Freaking out over Rodgers saying he was "90% retired" before he went on the retreat is a cop out. It's Aaron Rodgers, he just says stuff. I don't believe for a second that Rodgers was 90% committed to retiring now and forfeiting 60 million before he went into his retreat.

Yeah, Rodgers seems to throw around statements like this - just to make things more dramatic. 

[MrTPlush]

On 4/14/2023 at 12:37 PM, adambr2 said:

Freaking out over Rodgers saying he was "90% retired" before he went on the retreat is a cop out. It's Aaron Rodgers, he just says stuff. I don't believe for a second that Rodgers was 90% committed to retiring now and forfeiting 60 million before he went into his retreat.

The man is 39, the possibility always exists that he won't be long for the NFL. 

Yah, the Jets getting cold feet over this doesn't make sense. Rodgers has been on the fence for a few years now...him saying that, whether true or glorified, isn't shocking at all. Regardless of how his first year goes with the Jets, next offseason is going to be similar. I don't know why the Jets would think Rodgers would come to New York and be 100% sold on multiple seasons and Rodger's not contemplating retirement. 

Even if you don't think he will retire, there is no assurance he won't demand out of New York after a year. 

 

[brewcrewdue80]

There is the 13/15 pick swap that makes one wonder on a draft day trade.  Let's say the Jets board has 2 players they would select available at 13, but GB's draft board it's a different player at top tier left.  They make the trade swapping firsts and taking the lower of 2nds.  If it happens to fall the other way Jets need that 13 as their board is 1 top tier and GBs still has 2. Then the trade can be the higher 2nd plus Jets 4th rd pick. 

The idea doesn't consider the 2014 pick return or 2025.  It's just an idea on waiting til draft night to complete the trade; both sides remaining flexible as draft night unfolds. You could maybe also wonder on the idea on trading down 13. Like Both teams would trade with certain teams but not certain others so pick swap happens if GB has a better offer trading a team 13 than the Jets do trading 13. Or vice versa Jets have the better offer for their 13 than GB could manage.

[CheezWizHed]

1 hour ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

There is the 13/15 pick swap that makes one wonder on a draft day trade.  Let's say the Jets board has 2 players they would select available at 13, but GB's draft board it's a different player at top tier left.  They make the trade swapping firsts and taking the lower of 2nds.  If it happens to fall the other way Jets need that 13 as their board is 1 top tier and GBs still has 2. Then the trade can be the higher 2nd plus Jets 4th rd pick. 

The idea doesn't consider the 2014 pick return or 2025.  It's just an idea on waiting til draft night to complete the trade; both sides remaining flexible as draft night unfolds. You could maybe also wonder on the idea on trading down 13. Like Both teams would trade with certain teams but not certain others so pick swap happens if GB has a better offer trading a team 13 than the Jets do trading 13. Or vice versa Jets have the better offer for their 13 than GB could manage.

Honestly,  both ideas sound a little complicated- especially the second- to pull off with limited time on the clock

[HarryDoyle]

2 hours ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

There is the 13/15 pick swap that makes one wonder on a draft day trade.  Let's say the Jets board has 2 players they would select available at 13, but GB's draft board it's a different player at top tier left.  They make the trade swapping firsts and taking the lower of 2nds.  If it happens to fall the other way Jets need that 13 as their board is 1 top tier and GBs still has 2. Then the trade can be the higher 2nd plus Jets 4th rd pick. 

The idea doesn't consider the 2014 pick return or 2025.  It's just an idea on waiting til draft night to complete the trade; both sides remaining flexible as draft night unfolds. You could maybe also wonder on the idea on trading down 13. Like Both teams would trade with certain teams but not certain others so pick swap happens if GB has a better offer trading a team 13 than the Jets do trading 13. Or vice versa Jets have the better offer for their 13 than GB could manage.

The Jets board has 2 players they would select available at 13, but GB's draft board it's a different player at top tier left. 

[brewcrewdue80]

1 minute ago, CheezWizHed said:

Honestly,  both ideas sound a little complicated- especially the second- to pull off with limited time on the clock

I'm sure there are phone calls already put out for feelers.  Maybe a last idea is if Jets trade down the slot in 1st rd becomes something they would trade that 1st to Green Bay.

[brewcrewdue80]

1 hour ago, HarryDoyle said:

The Jets board has 2 players they would select available at 13, but GB's draft board it's a different player at top tier left. 

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Let's say? the Jets board.  

So what I'm going on is that GB and the Jets are constantly on the phone discussing where their draft boards are sitting in regard to who they would select at 13 or 15. While the draft is on going.  If the 2 sides honestly have a deal hashed out but with their picks close to one another moving up/down 2 spots in first or up/down 3 spots in 2nd. They could have what compensations are of including a swap in 1st or swapping the 2nd with the other 2nd included.  Maybe that ties in to where 2024 round future pick ends up being.  We're down to 5 days from now from draft without the trade announced, so I wonder if this is waiting out how draft falls to both sides when to pull the trigger then vs now.

[CheezWizHed]

2 hours ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

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Let's say? the Jets board.  

So what I'm going on is that GB and the Jets are constantly on the phone discussing where their draft boards are sitting in regard to who they would select at 13 or 15. While the draft is on going.  If the 2 sides honestly have a deal hashed out but with their picks close to one another moving up/down 2 spots in first or up/down 3 spots in 2nd. They could have what compensations are of including a swap in 1st or swapping the 2nd with the other 2nd included.  Maybe that ties in to where 2024 round future pick ends up being.  We're down to 5 days from now from draft without the trade announced, so I wonder if this is waiting out how draft falls to both sides when to pull the trigger then vs now.

This is the part I found complicated and unlikely... the teams actually cooperating that much and being open about who they like on their board. What happens if they want the same player?  

[brewcrewdue80]

14 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

This is the part I found complicated and unlikely... the teams actually cooperating that much and being open about who they like on their board. What happens if they want the same player?  

Then the Jets select that player at 13.  I suggested if there was different players targeted on each other's board. 

A quick draft need search has the Jets needing a OL, C, QB, and safety.

GB- S, TE, Edge. WR

Among what I'm seeing for top 50 draft player rankings. Brian Branch is the 1 and only safety in it.  

I will say looking at the draft and GB needs, a lot of what they need sits from 15-24 with TE and Edge, and WR

The Jets needs aside from Skoronski or Branch aren't really there at their pick. Very much see my idea on them looking for them to trade down and then offer that selection to GB for Rodgers. They ought to be able to pair 1 of their 2nd rd choices with the pick they received besides the 1st to move back in the 1st rd if needed. I see a Minnesota Center fitting their need who is around 25-40 as your trade back to 1st rd 5 year control.

Anyways. Spending way too much time expanding on this idea.

 

[CheezWizHed]

4 hours ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

Then the Jets select that player at 13.  I suggested if there was different players targeted on each other's board. 

A quick draft need search has the Jets needing a OL, C, QB, and safety.

GB- S, TE, Edge. WR

Among what I'm seeing for top 50 draft player rankings. Brian Branch is the 1 and only safety in it.  

I will say looking at the draft and GB needs, a lot of what they need sits from 15-24 with TE and Edge, and WR

The Jets needs aside from Skoronski or Branch aren't really there at their pick. Very much see my idea on them looking for them to trade down and then offer that selection to GB for Rodgers. They ought to be able to pair 1 of their 2nd rd choices with the pick they received besides the 1st to move back in the 1st rd if needed. I see a Minnesota Center fitting their need who is around 25-40 as your trade back to 1st rd 5 year control.

Anyways. Spending way too much time expanding on this idea.

 

I don't disagree that the Jets might consider trading down and trying to use that to finish the Rodgers deal.  I just don't they are going to share who each team is targeting regardless of what an internet "need" board states.  How often does a team take their "biggest need" anyway?  

And yes... the draft can't come soon enough this week. This NFL news wasteland is maddening. 😂

[areacodes]

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