Rumor: Top 50 Trade Candidates - Who Interests You?

[Brewcrew82]

Division rivals, I know, but Dylan Carlson is a player the Brewers could probably acquire right now if they wanted to. Out of a starting job now that O'Neil is off the IL. 107 wRC+ and upside as a former top 20 prospect. Would be similar to the Adames deal in 2021. 

He'd be a definite upgrade over Tapia and Perkins. 

[wiguy94]

2 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Division rivals, I know, but Dylan Carlson is a player the Brewers could probably acquire right now if they wanted to. Out of a starting job now that O'Neil is off the IL. 107 wRC+ and upside as a former top 20 prospect. Would be similar to the Adames deal in 2021. 

He'd be a definite upgrade over Tapia and Perkins. 

If he's available absolutely, but I am guessing the Cardinals are far more likely to move TON than Carlson.

 

Edit: Also I am generally just opposed to the idea of trading with the Cardinals. They are on the record to want pitching and we really don't have a super deep prospect pool of pitching to trade from. We are definitely deeper on the position player side.

[Brewcrew82]

5 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

If he's available absolutely, but I am guessing the Cardinals are far more likely to move TON than Carlson

I'd take either. O'Neill not close to as bad as he started off the year. More upside than Perkins or Tapia. Cheaper than Carlson, too. 

[Jopal78]

Randall Grichuk- plays all three spots in the outfield, hits with more power than Tapia, Perkins, etc. Hits lefties better than righties, 32 year old rental could likely be acquired for the salary relief and minor league depth type players 

Moustakas/Escobar and Tommy Pham for many of the same reasons. Low cost additions, marginal upgrades fits the narrative of the front office not trading from tomorrow 

Although I’m not sure if those players  are in the “Top 50”

[BrewCrew8675309]

On 7/7/2023 at 6:11 PM, umphrey said:

Chourio is completely floundering in AA this year. He’s going to plummet down the prospect lists. He doesn’t have the pedigree or enough history to be able to have a bad year and still stick as a top 10 prospect. 

Might be a time to go look at his stats now that the balls are not tacked(?). Apparently, he is destroying things in AA and he is still super young with bat speed that cannot be taught.

[Jake McKibbin]

16 minutes ago, BrewCrew8675309 said:

Might be a time to go look at his stats now that the balls are not tacked(?). Apparently, he is destroying things in AA and he is still super young with bat speed that cannot be taught.

He's also monstering balls to opposite field. He takes fastballs to opposite field with massive power, and turns on the off speed, it's really impressive.

His last issue will be learning to lay off pitches and when to take his walks, but he really seems to have grasped the strike zone, and his contact skills have improved massively as shown by his strike outs dropping at a rate of knots over the last month or so

[BrewCrew8675309]

Clayton Andrews and Matthew Wood for Justin Turner (Wood is good but Turner will get calls as we move into the trading season. Unless Turner did something wrong since I last checked, he looks strong for a rental at 1B. MWood will be replaced by Satchel and Clayton throws lefty)

Hedbert Perez, Daniel Guilarte and Will Rudy for Josh Hader (Daniel Guilarte would sting but if they sign the young SSs in the 2023 draft then this would sting less. Another rental and while I hope that Rudy does not turn into Reese Olsen in DET; you have to give to get. This would let Justin Wilson and AAshby take their time and move some of the LHP RP wear and tear off of Hoby. Also...could you imagine the clubhouse when it is announced. Matt Arnold the hero.)

Lastly we pick up a RF that has years of control (Arby eligible in 2024 and FA in 2026) and is hitting .835OPS now with a .361/.411/.630/1.041 split vs LHP but he is going to be costly.

ESmall, LLara, and RobMoore for....Lane Thomas

Feel free to add this this from our side to also pick up Jeimer Candelario

[Jopal78]

1 hour ago, BrewCrew8675309 said:

Clayton Andrews and Matthew Wood for Justin Turner (Wood is good but Turner will get calls as we move into the trading season. Unless Turner did something wrong since I last checked, he looks strong for a rental at 1B. MWood will be replaced by Satchel and Clayton throws lefty)

Hedbert Perez, Daniel Guilarte and Will Rudy for Josh Hader (Daniel Guilarte would sting but if they sign the young SSs in the 2023 draft then this would sting less. Another rental and while I hope that Rudy does not turn into Reese Olsen in DET; you have to give to get. This would let Justin Wilson and AAshby take their time and move some of the LHP RP wear and tear off of Hoby. Also...could you imagine the clubhouse when it is announced. Matt Arnold the hero.)

Lastly we pick up a RF that has years of control (Arby eligible in 2024 and FA in 2026) and is hitting .835OPS now with a .361/.411/.630/1.041 split vs LHP but he is going to be costly.

ESmall, LLara, and RobMoore for....Lane Thomas

Feel free to add this this from our side to also pick up Jeimer Candelario

Turner has an .831 OPS and a 13.4 million dollar player option for ‘24. To begin with, the Red Sox probably don’t trade him, they’re 1.5 games behind Houston for the 3rd wild card and 2.5 games behind Toronto for the 5th spot.
 

Even if hypothetically they crater and break up their team, Turner won’t be to Milwaukee they’re not going to commit that kind of cash to a 39 year old player. 
 

Same deal with Hader, I doubt they sell because it likely means Preller  gets fired at long last. Even if they sell Hader there are 12 teams that would want him and the Padres would do better than some rookie and a ball players not amongst the Brewers best 

[Jake McKibbin]

There was a potential for the giants and Red Sox to be out of it by now given the divisions strength they're competing in and slow starts, but they've come back hard and both teams had a plethora of players that would have been highly valued at the deadline. It's really impacted the options available, now Giants are ahead of the Diamondbacks, and Brewers aren't far off the Dodgers record either with their pitching struggles

[CheezWizHed]

5 hours ago, BrewCrew8675309 said:

Might be a time to go look at his stats now that the balls are not tacked(?). Apparently, he is destroying things in AA and he is still super young with bat speed that cannot be taught.

Yes, floundering seems to be a bit of a hyperbole

Split	G	PA	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	SB	CS	BB	SO	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS	TB	GDP	HBP	SH	SF	IBB
Total	75	341	311	43	83	16	0	13	54	23	4	23	70	.267	.320	.444	.763	138	4	3	0	4	0
Last 7 days	4	19	18	4	10	2	0	2	4	0	1	1	1	.556	.579	1.000	1.579	18	0	0	0	0	0
Last 28 days	15	69	64	12	22	4	0	4	14	4	2	4	5	.344	.377	.594	.971	38	0	0	0	1	0
Last 90 days	63	288	260	37	73	14	0	10	45	23	4	21	54	.281	.337	.450	.787	117	3	3	0	4	0

[Fear The Chorizo]

On 7/7/2023 at 6:11 AM, umphrey said:

Chourio is completely floundering in AA this year. He’s going to plummet down the prospect lists. He doesn’t have the pedigree or enough history to be able to have a bad year and still stick as a top 10 prospect. 

To be fair, at least this take was from a couple weeks ago - seems like the AS break and taking part in some of those festivities with the futures game may have gotten him going just a smidge.  As others have said, his hitting approach at the plate is unicorn-like for a kid in AA.  Given his 'meh' 1st half based on the standards he set for himself across 3 minor league levels last year, if Chourio winds up anywhere close to an 0.800 OPS at the end of this season as a teenager his lofty prospect status isn't going anywhere.  My gut tells me by year end his OPS will be well above 0.800.

[HarveysWBs]

8 minutes ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

To be fair, at least this take was from a couple weeks ago - seems like the AS break and taking part in some of those festivities with the futures game may have gotten him going just a smidge.  As others have said, his hitting approach at the plate is unicorn-like for a kid in AA.  Given his 'meh' 1st half based on the standards he set for himself across 3 minor league levels last year, if Chourio winds up anywhere close to an 0.800 OPS at the end of this season as a teenager his lofty prospect status isn't going anywhere.  My gut tells me by year end his OPS will be well above 0.800.

Yeah, I mentioned this last year in the minor league forum, but I’m even more optimistic about him when he struggles and then gets over it.  To me, that is far more helpful to his future prospects than one unending minor league triumph for 2.5 years.  The majors won’t be like that for him, and everyone needs to learn how to bust slumps and not get psychologically destroyed first.

[RWeeksFan23]

On 7/18/2023 at 12:00 PM, SRB said:

Tommy Pham would be my #1 target. I wanted them to sign him as a free agent and he's looking even better now. Everybody slept on him because he was injured for a few years but he's back to being great.

I really like Tommy Pham too. Just feels like he's hurt/injured often though.

[IntentionalHBP1]

If the padres decide to sell I want one of Hader, Snell or Soto

[nate82]

Brewers get: Soto

Padres get: Frelick, Brown (SS), Small and Valerio (2B). 

Probably a little light there but I think it is close may need to add another piece better than Small. 

[Jopal78]

1 hour ago, nate82 said:

Brewers get: Soto

Padres get: Frelick, Brown (SS), Small and Valerio (2B). 

Probably a little light there but I think it is close may need to add another piece better than Small. 

Must be some good stuff you’re smoking. Soto is arguably the best hitter in the NL and has a year of team control remaining. There’s slightly greater than zero chance he gets traded. Even assuming he did, the Padres would receive much better offers than this package, especially Ethan Small, a 26 year old relief pitcher walking 5+ batters per 9 in AAA… I bet teams are beating down the door to get him. 

[Brewcrew82]

19 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

Must be some good stuff you’re smoking. 

The audacity, man...Where's the civility police again???

The poster literally said that it was a little light and the Brewers would probably have to add a better piece than Small. But a top 100/50 prospect, a top 200 prospect/2022 first round pick, and two organizational top 30 prospects is a reasonable start. Padres would probably ask for Gasser back instead of Small, but it's a decent framework. 

[Brewcrew82]

 

[nate82]

56 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

Must be some good stuff you’re smoking. Soto is arguably the best hitter in the NL and has a year of team control remaining. There’s slightly greater than zero chance he gets traded. Even assuming he did, the Padres would receive much better offers than this package, especially Ethan Small, a 26 year old relief pitcher walking 5+ batters per 9 in AAA… I bet teams are beating down the door to get him. 

I guess you missed the whole part of adding a better piece than Small but hey you do you. 

[Team Canada]

Let's pull back on the vitriol and disdain.

[CheeseheadInQC]

2 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

 

I don't think that this gets anywhere near as close as this chart suggests for a number of reasons:

1. I don't like speaking ill of prospects, especially ones that I once was really high on like Valerio, but putting any number next to him right now is wishful thinking. I know he is still young, but he doesn't really have a good defensive home, his offense has plateaued, he is a year from minor league free agency and he has lost much of his playing time, including to guys who aren't really considered top prospects. He is unfortunately probably closer to being a guy left exposed in the AAA phase of the rule 5 draft than someone who brings a positive trade value at this point. He needs to start hitting again before he'd have any value, and there is not enough time before the deadline for that to happen in a sufficient quantity.

2. I don't know that this is properly valuing Soto. Fangraphs in one of their trade value articles made the case that the value of a superstar to a team is greater than the projected WAR/contract size analysis that these types of sites do. I sort of agree with them, especially if it isn't taking into account the fact that increased revenues would offset part of the contract, maybe not to Ohtani levels, but definitely a non-negligible amount.

3. This isn't just about what a "fair" offer is from a numbers perspective from the Brewers. They would be bidding against other teams. Those would include larger market clubs for whom not only would the contract size not be an issue, but they'd also have a season+ to convince him to re-sign, which adds value that wouldn't be there for Milwaukee.

4. You are also bidding against a minimum that the Padres would take for him. As awkwardly constructed as that team was, they still have the third best run differential in the NL right now and are absolutely built to be a win-now team. Even if they throw in the towel for this season and trade the impending free agents, they could always plug the gaps and hope to get different results running it back. The incentive isn't really there for them to take a "fair" offer just because it is "fair."

[Playing Catch]

Is Eric Hosmer a healthy free agent? He's only 33.

[brewerfan82]

51 minutes ago, Playing Catch said:

Is Eric Hosmer a healthy free agent? He's only 33.

I think so? But he's been pretty much the same as Tellez/Winker last year and this year, but is 5 years older and has worse projections for the rest of the season:

Hosmer:

Tellez:

Winker:

[HarveysWBs]

Forget Soto, we don’t shop in that store.  If we’re playing the “what if the crazy Padres woke up and decided to sell (even though they’re not even close to out of it)” game, then put me down for wanting all of Ha-Seong Kim on this roster.  CC loves him some utility infielders, so we might as well give him one of the best around for him to play with.  

Would the Padres sell him? No, probably not—but I don’t think they want to sell period. But if we’re saying they do, Kim’s my target.

[Playing Catch]

2 hours ago, brewerfan82 said:

I think so? But he's been pretty much the same as Tellez/Winker last year and this year, but is 5 years older and has worse projections for the rest of the season:

Hosmer:

Tellez:

Winker:

Aren't those just the weirdest statlines? 2023 has been really odd.