Reds (Weaver) vs Brewers (Rea): 7/8/23, 3:10pm

[Nola Beery]

If Elly had done this against anyone else, I'd definitley dial up the highlights.  But not when he makes us look like chumps.

 

[Pugger]

I'll be glad to see this game end.  Put us out of our misery.

[edfunderburk]

Votto looked like Miller on that hit by Contreras 

[young guns]

7 minutes ago, Cool Hand Lucroy said:

Is there actually some tech in development to automate that? I'd be fascinated if that were the case...I just feel like, given the speed and size of the bat head (and the difficulty of getting a perfect overhead angle), even an automated call is going to have a margin of error that essentially replicates where we are now. Meaning, instead of the umpire guessing, it'll just be the technology.

I suppose you could embed trackers in the bat (but which part?) and cameras at the very front of the plate (but how big are the cameras?), but that seems like it would be tough.

And now the crappy balk call costs the Brewers a run.

I'd assume just having the correct camera angle and the ability to have someone quickly look at it to make the determination would be sufficient.

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

The other thing on check swings (as the Brewers are about to drop this one) is that there isn't a rule book definition on them, at least not a concrete one. So that's got to change first.

I'm just hoping baseball can figure out a way to properly integrate technology. Soccer has been mostly a mess. Hockey does it great (though that's partly down to the nature of the game).

Positives from this one:

Uribe.

Payamps and Devin are both good for tomorrow, plus we'll have a starter capable of multiple innings if needed.

Adames is really starting to hit it hard.

Reds had to use a lot of bullpen guys.

I think the Brewers are going to be in playoff contention all the way to the end. Take 2 of 3 tomorrow and this homestand has been a success.

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

3 minutes ago, young guns said:

I'd assume just having the correct camera angle and the ability to have someone quickly look at it to make the determination would be sufficient.

Yeah, the problem is you have to splice together a bunch of camera angles and average them out. Hawkeye in tennis takes like a full minute by the time all is said and done. That's a long time to wait for a call with a 3 mm margin of error (which is ridiculously tiny, I know, but very often the difference between swing and no swing).

[ReverendBrewmeister]

Frustrating loss. Some good offense shown, though not cashing in with the bases loaded and two out in the 6th hurt. Failure to convert shutdown innings after scoring was a big storyline. Then we got the de la Cruz circus, followed by the ump show. 

Reds lineup causes some coveting. Brewers lineup needs to find at least one more solid bat, probably two. 

“First Half” ends on Sunday. Not a must-win, but it seems bigger than a typical July game. 

[Nola Beery]

1 minute ago, ReverendBrewmeister said:

Frustrating loss. Some good offense shown, though not cashing in with the bases loaded and two out in the 6th hurt. Failure to convert shutdown innings after scoring was a big storyline. Then we got the de la Cruz circus, followed by the ump show. 

Reds lineup causes some coveting. Brewers lineup needs to find at least one more solid bat, probably two. 

“First Half” ends on Sunday. Not a must-win, but it seems bigger than a typical July game. 

Amen? 😀

[young guns]

2 minutes ago, Cool Hand Lucroy said:

Yeah, the problem is you have to splice together a bunch of camera angles and average them out. Hawkeye in tennis takes like a full minute by the time all is said and done. That's a long time to wait for a call with a 3 mm margin of error (which is ridiculously tiny, I know, but very often the difference between swing and no swing).

I'm not talking about something like that.  Just like someone looking at a replay like they show on the broadcast who can then make the call.

[Brock Beauchamp]

33 minutes ago, Cool Hand Lucroy said:

Is there actually some tech in development to automate that? I'd be fascinated if that were the case...I just feel like, given the speed and size of the bat head (and the difficulty of getting a perfect overhead angle), even an automated call is going to have a margin of error that essentially replicates where we are now. Meaning, instead of the umpire guessing, it'll just be the technology.

I suppose you could embed trackers in the bat (but which part?) and cameras at the very front of the plate (but how big are the cameras?), but that seems like it would be tough.

And now the crappy balk call costs the Brewers a run.

They have cameras that track swing planes and whatnot, I'm pretty sure it's part of the StatCast package that we don't get to see as the public.

It's the same kind of tech they use for Driveline, it definitely exists and is in MLB stadiums to some capacity.

[BruisedCrew]

1 hour ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

Yeah I’m beyond ready for some sort of umpire automation. I prefer the challenge system but I’ll take anything at this point. 

I doubt that there will ever be any kind of replay system that would affect a call like that. 
 

Our lives will be much calmer if we accept that a certain number of bad calls are inevitable and hope that they balance out. 

[Brock Beauchamp]

3 minutes ago, BruisedCrew said:

I doubt that there will ever be any kind of replay system that would affect a call like that. 

Our lives will be much calmer if we accept that a certain number of bad calls are inevitable and hope that they balance out. 

Oh yeah, I'm not worked up about it but I watch a lot of different teams play baseball and the umpiring has been a real problem this season and I'm saying this as a person who is pretty lenient with umpires. It's time to start automating more things to bring balance to the game, something I wasn't really in favor of as recently as 2-3 years ago.

And I say this acknowledging that umpiring has actually gotten a lot better over the past couple of decades.

[Jim French Stepstool]

1 hour ago, BruisedCrew said:

I doubt that there will ever be any kind of replay system that would affect a call like that. 
 

Our lives will be much calmer if we accept that a certain number of bad calls are inevitable and hope that they balance out. 

As the game's evolved, it's becoming more difficult to umpire a baseball game. Same thing (even though the sports are drastically different) in Hoops & football, in that as the rule book gets thicker it'll become more & more maddening to put up with. Pretty much inevitable, unfortunately.

[Jim French Stepstool]

1 hour ago, Cool Hand Lucroy said:

 

Positives from this one:

Uribe.

 

I really felt he's still an unfinished product due mostly to the lack of command, but he didn't show that today. If he gets enough work & is able to continue to be around the plate with both pitches he should stay.

Seeing them up close, Cincy has obvious young talent that puts up really good ABs for their relative youth. They do a terrific job of taking advantage of opportunities. But I have to admit the "relentless" comments are wearing a little thin with me. They were relentless Friday night only because we walked two men in the 9th with a 5 run lead. They were relentless today after falling behind 4-1 because De La Cruz reached on a throwing error (no way was that a hit) followed by a walk.

Maybe Anderson is another positive? His ABs the last couple days look a lot like what he was attempting to do in April, and the discipline seems to be slowly coming back.

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

15 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

I really felt he's still an unfinished product due mostly to the lack of command, but he didn't show that today. If he gets enough work & is able to continue to be around the plate with both pitches he should stay.

Seeing them up close, Cincy has obvious young talent that puts up really good ABs for their relative youth. They do a terrific job of taking advantage of opportunities. But I have to admit the "relentless" comments are wearing a little thin with me. They were relentless Friday night only because we walked two men in the 9th with a 5 run lead. They were relentless today after falling behind 4-1 because De La Cruz reached on a throwing error (no way was that a hit) followed by a walk.

Maybe Anderson is another positive? His ABs the last couple days look a lot like what he was attempting to do in April, and the discipline seems to be slowly coming back.

Yeah, all good stuff.

I don't what to think about Anderson. I hope you're right, but I think he is the classic "just a guy." Hopefully a hot stretch is coming, though.

[82brewcrew82]

54 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

I really felt he's still an unfinished product due mostly to the lack of command, but he didn't show that today. If he gets enough work & is able to continue to be around the plate with both pitches he should stay.

Seeing them up close, Cincy has obvious young talent that puts up really good ABs for their relative youth. They do a terrific job of taking advantage of opportunities. But I have to admit the "relentless" comments are wearing a little thin with me. They were relentless Friday night only because we walked two men in the 9th with a 5 run lead. They were relentless today after falling behind 4-1 because De La Cruz reached on a throwing error (no way was that a hit) followed by a walk.

Maybe Anderson is another positive? His ABs the last couple days look a lot like what he was attempting to do in April, and the discipline seems to be slowly coming back.

Except its not just about the last two games.  Look at the Braves series (or any other).  I believe I heard today that they lead the league in come from behind wins.  The Reds offense is good and they put pressure on opposing pitching staffs on the regular.

[brewmann04]

I sorry blaming the umps is one thing but them continuing to fail to add runs is more of a reason. They just don’t have the talent at this be point and just fail to play smart baseball.  Well let’s hope we don’t waste prospects for another reliever who will stink up the joint. I rather see them stand Pat 

[Jim French Stepstool]

1 hour ago, Cool Hand Lucroy said:

Yeah, all good stuff.

I don't what to think about Anderson. I hope you're right, but I think he is the classic "just a guy." Hopefully a hot stretch is coming, though.

Offensively, he pretty much is JAG. But I was really impressed with his ABs the first month of the season. Keep our fingers crossed I guess. Was shocked to see his recent defensive "slump" as I've been very impressed with the glove.

[Jim French Stepstool]

32 minutes ago, 82brewcrew82 said:

Except its not just about the last two games.  Look at the Braves series (or any other).  I believe I heard today that they lead the league in come from behind wins.  The Reds offense is good and they put pressure on opposing pitching staffs on the regular.

Yeah, they've been good. Just distressing to see us helping them out today, & in the 9th yesterday.

[Jim French Stepstool]

13 minutes ago, brewmann04 said:

I sorry blaming the umps is one thing but them continuing to fail to add runs is more of a reason. They just don’t have the talent at this be point and just fail to play smart baseball.  Well let’s hope we don’t waste prospects for another reliever who will stink up the joint. I rather see them stand Pat 

I don't think they'll totally stand pat. Within reason, I'm fine with them looking to add. I agree I'd rather not see them add a reliever. I'm hoping the recent auditions for Uribe & Andrews are an indication that they'll stay in-house.

[rickh150]

A win and we are 5-2 vs Reds this season, getting the early edge with the tie-breaker, as well.

[ELCABALLO45]

Just came here to post… can we finally just DFA Owen Miller? It was a fun story and he was hot early but …  bro can’t handle first base and yeah *checks notes* hit clean up today? Yeah just cut him please 

[sveumrules]

3 hours ago, ELCABALLO45 said:

Just came here to post… can we finally just DFA Owen Miller? It was a fun story and he was hot early but …  bro can’t handle first base and yeah *checks notes* hit clean up today? Yeah just cut him please 

Miller’s 96 wRC+ is 3rd highest among regulars and his 1.3 WAR is 5th on the team.

Not sure how DFA-ing one of the five position players we have that’s cracked 1.0 WAR so far would improve the team.

[BruisedCrew]

Releasing Miller doesn’t accomplish anything. The fact that he is playing first base and batting fourth is a symptom of the Brewers problem, not the cause of it. 
 

Being at the game yesterday and seeing stats on the scoreboard just rubbed in my face the massive gulf between the Brewers batting order and the Reds’.

You really don’t have to go any further than seeing Miller, Tapia, and Perkins batting 4-5-6. 
I thought coming into the season that the Brewers offense would anchor the team to a win total in the low 80’s, but I didn’t envision a heart of the order this pitiful.

The irony right now is that the Brewers are in the midst of the longest stretch of consistent production that they have had all season. In the last 9 games they have scored 5 runs or more in every one except one, and then they scored 3. Up to this they were good for a couple,of games or mor with 2 runs or less just about every week. Unfortunately, because the pitching has been a little leaky the Brewers are only 5-4 in these 9 games. 
 

I wish I could convince myself that the recent offense can be the norm going forward. But there are a lot of holes in that lineup that require more than Yelich maintaining his pace and a couple of hot games from Adames. 

[RobertCrawley]

36 minutes ago, BruisedCrew said:

Releasing Miller doesn’t accomplish anything. The fact that he is playing first base and batting fourth is a symptom of the Brewers problem, not the cause of it. 
 

Being at the game yesterday and seeing stats on the scoreboard just rubbed in my face the massive gulf between the Brewers batting order and the Reds’.

You really don’t have to go any further than seeing Miller, Tapia, and Perkins batting 4-5-6. 
I thought coming into the season that the Brewers offense would anchor the team to a win total in the low 80’s, but I didn’t envision a heart of the order this pitiful.

The irony right now is that the Brewers are in the midst of the longest stretch of consistent production that they have had all season. In the last 9 games they have scored 5 runs or more in every one except one, and then they scored 3. Up to this they were good for a couple,of games or mor with 2 runs or less just about every week. Unfortunately, because the pitching has been a little leaky the Brewers are only 5-4 in these 9 games. 
 

I wish I could convince myself that the recent offense can be the norm going forward. But there are a lot of holes in that lineup that require more than Yelich maintaining his pace and a couple of hot games from Adames. 

If we had better guys, we should play better guys, wouldn't we?