2023-24 Offseason Ideas

[BrewerFan]

5 hours ago, owbc said:

I think the ship has largely sailed on trading these guys. The time to do it would have been last offseason and we're lucky we didn't because nobody saw the Cards' collapse coming.

If you mean to maximize their value, the time to do it would have been following the Cy Young Burnes won and when Woody took a 5th and both were among the top 15 most valuable players in Baseball.

I still think you can get a VERY nice return for Burnes and Woodruff...provided he stays healthy the rest of the year. 

 

I'm also less concerned about winning the division. It's just a step at this point, not the destination. I really want to win it, but if we do trade 2 of the 3 or even all 3 next year and get back 6-7 really good, exciting young prospects, a couple top 100 types, I won't wring my hands over what could have been. 

You do what's best for the Brewers and if an 84 win team wins the division next year...hope it's the Brewers(Which I still don't think would be a huge reach). 

[MrTPlush]

I think it is likely both go or neither go. The Alonso rumor is a bit interesting and may hint the odds they return is higher than one would assume. Their values may be low enough that they may just role the dice and QO them after the year. Burnes is probably more likely to get traded.

Adames? Might as well bring him back. He isn't that special, I don't think you are going to trick any team into thinking the contrary. Might as well hope he pulls a 2021 to start the season and trick someone into thinking he is the offensive jewel of the 2024 deadline. 

2024 seems like a solid year to trade some guys if the offers are pretty good and keep them if it is meh. Don't go around signing big contracts or trading for guys that aren't controllable. Just see how the younger guys do and see if they can create a strong core to build upon. Maybe do what we did pre-2018 and sign a Villar/Shaw to see if we catch lightning in the bottle. 

[jay87shot]

If we get prospects I really would go for quality over quantity. Our system is so deep right now that getting a lot of younger high ceilings guys sounds nice but doesn't do a ton for the system.

I keep thinking of 3 teams deals were we give up Burnes/Woody (possibly w/more) for a young top end IF (Witt, O's young IF w/more, Kim, Duran (Rangers) others).

Burnes to the O's for Jordan Westburg and a mid-level prospect pitcher might be a high quality win-win 2 team deal. Westburg has been great at 2B (ok at 3rd) and would make a great MI with Turang giving them a most needed frontline starter and they have money to extend him and even sign someone else.

Adames could go or move to 3rd (or Westburg to 3rd) or be traded for a decent pitcher, say to the Dodgers for Kyle Hurt. That would give us plenty of money to find a short term 1B/DH bat (Hoskins, JD Martinez, etc.) or pitcher starter or reliever if Williams traded.

[jay87shot]

What if trading away guys  we went the other way and just keep the main guys and pushed the chips into the middle. By my crude best guesses we will have about 90 million in salary if we non-tender Rowdy, Lauer, Houser (could tender and trade), Huira, and other dead weight. We would have a solid rotation of Burnes, Woody, Pelata, Ashby, Gasser and the same strong bullpen. The lineup would have openings at 1B and 3B if you pencil in Yeli at DH with Frelick, Mitchell, Weimer in the OF. My guess is that would be about $40 million to spend on 2 positions. 

Another idea I had was trading Burnes in a 3 team deal where we get Tyler Glasnow. Glasnow has 1 year 25 million dollar deal next year but carries some major injury concern. We could do a deal where we get Glasnow and a solid prospect for Burnes, Glasnow has a similar ceiling but we get a prospect to incur the risk of injury. In theory it splits the difference of sell of Burnes for prospects or keep him and potentially lose him for nothing.

Here is a rough idea.

Burnes to LAD  Sheehan/Stone/Pepiot and lower prospect to Tampa

We get Glasnow and Hurt/Bruns/prospect 6-15 in system

In theory, we could get 1 year of similar to Burnes production, a solid prospect, and still get a draft pick for Glasnow (or extend him cheaper and shorter then Burnes). The Rays save money get a high end mlb ready arm and the Dodgers don't give up the moon for a young ace they could extend long term.

 

 

[wntrtxn21]

2 hours ago, jay87shot said:

What if trading away guys  we went the other way and just keep the main guys and pushed the chips into the middle. By my crude best guesses we will have about 90 million in salary if we non-tender Rowdy, Lauer, Houser (could tender and trade), Huira, and other dead weight. We would have a solid rotation of Burnes, Woody, Pelata, Ashby, Gasser and the same strong bullpen. The lineup would have openings at 1B and 3B if you pencil in Yeli at DH with Frelick, Mitchell, Weimer in the OF. My guess is that would be about $40 million to spend on 2 positions. 

Another idea I had was trading Burnes in a 3 team deal where we get Tyler Glasnow. Glasnow has 1 year 25 million dollar deal next year but carries some major injury concern. We could do a deal where we get Glasnow and a solid prospect for Burnes, Glasnow has a similar ceiling but we get a prospect to incur the risk of injury. In theory it splits the difference of sell of Burnes for prospects or keep him and potentially lose him for nothing.

Here is a rough idea.

Burnes to LAD  Sheehan/Stone/Pepiot and lower prospect to Tampa

We get Glasnow and Hurt/Bruns/prospect 6-15 in system

In theory, we could get 1 year of similar to Burnes production, a solid prospect, and still get a draft pick for Glasnow (or extend him cheaper and shorter then Burnes). The Rays save money get a high end mlb ready arm and the Dodgers don't give up the moon for a young ace they could extend long term.

 

 

Glasnow is going to cost more than Burnes next year. He's a very real injury risk and the Brewers would have zero chance to extend him considering he would start at over $25M. No thanks. The Brewers could do much, much better just trading Burnes, plus save the additional money it would cost to pay Glasnow. Trade Burnes for Pepiot, Hurt, lower level prospect.

[BrewerFan]

5 hours ago, wntrtxn21 said:

Glasnow is going to cost more than Burnes next year. He's a very real injury risk and the Brewers would have zero chance to extend him considering he would start at over $25M. No thanks. The Brewers could do much, much better just trading Burnes, plus save the additional money it would cost to pay Glasnow. Trade Burnes for Pepiot, Hurt, lower level prospect.

Agreed. Both on the pitchers(target those types) and on Glasnow. A 3 team trade and taking back Glasnow is too convoluted IMO. Shane Baz is a guy I'd consider. I'm not afraid of pitchers with TJ or returning from TJ. 

I'd ask for a top 50 prospect or higher to move him, otherwise, just run it back. It's gonna get expensive with all these guys getting into their 3rd year of arbitration(or 4th year). 

 

[markedman5]

For those who didn’t see it…….I asked Robert Murray if he thought the Brewers had any thoughts on extending Woody in the off-season……..he said he of the 3 guys(Adames, Burnes and Woodruff.) he could see it happening with Woody……..it’s near the end of the podcast.

 

[markedman5]

Boom!

[jay87shot]

I am fully ready to revamp the offense this offseason. This team seems close but also far away from the top couple teams. Here is my newest ideas.

1) Trade Burnes to Balt. for Westburg/Mayo, McDermott, lotto prospect

The Os have plenty of MI talent and need an ace, perfect match.

2) Devin Williams to LAD for Emmett Sheehan and Miguel Vargas

Even though the Dodgers have a few high quality late inning arms there team ERA in the pen isn't great Devin fixes that.

3) Adames to SF for Reggie Crawford/Mason Black/Hayden Birdsong and a lotto prospect

We get good pitching prospect and the Giants get a big upgrade at SS

4) Yeli to NYY for DJ Lemehieu and Clark Schmidt.

The Yankees offense socks they get a leadoff and lineup upgrade. We get a potentially solid vet and solid high upside arm while getting rid of the longterm Yeli deal.

5) Sign JD Martinez 2/30 and Liam Hendricks 1/10 with incentives, Miley resign 1/10

Lemahieu, Vargas, Westburg/Mayo man 1B/2B/3B in some fashion with Turang at SS. Weimer, Mitchell, Frelick, Chourio in the OF and a nice upside rotation of Woody, Peralta, Miley, and 3 of Schmidt, Sheehan, Ashby, and Gasser. Hendricks, Payamps, Uribe, Peguero, Megill, Milner, Wilson make a super strong pen.

Obviously there would be a lot of risk on offense but we would still have Tyler Black in case one of the young guys doesn't work out well. 

[SF70]

Number 1 offseason priority should be to add power to the lineup. Trade Burnes and use the $16M saved to add a Rhys Hoskins.

Then trade for a 3B. They have a strong enough farm now, bolstered with additions from a Burnes trade, to package an OF+ for a veteran, controlled 3B. If they can’t get that trade or sign a power DH bat

Those 2 moves with improvement from  the rookies along with more high-end talent coming from the farm should get the offense inside the top 15 offenses in baseball.

Pitching-wise, Burnes spot replaced by Gasser, who is ready to face big-league hitters, to go with Woody-Peralta-Houser and a hopefully strong Ashby. They can bring back Miley or sign a FA starter.

Bullpen with Williams-Payamps-Uribe-Milner-Megill-Peguero should be strong yet again.

Adding 2 power bats to improving young positional talent makes this a more well-rounded team overall and the loss of Burnes can be overcome by that balance.

[Team Canada]

There's really no point in proposing Yelich deals since he has a full NTC.

[BrewerFan]

13 hours ago, Team Canada said:

There's really no point in proposing Yelich deals since he has a full NTC.

He's also a 10/5 guy(as are others mentioned). But players don't usually sign no-trade clauses in Milwaukee or... Perez in KC, or back when McCutchen had one in Pitt, because they don't want to be traded, they do it so they can have a say in it and so they can use it as leverage. Though in the last case, he was traded with a NTC and then not traded when it made all perfect sense to...which goes back to when I first mentioned it, it's going to be dependent on the individual players decisions. With Yelich, it's a NTC, with Chourio, Frelick, Turang, etc... it's a question of an early extension. 

I'd also say it's no more pointless than any trade proposals or anything we clearly we're not actually impacting the Brewers decisions. 

I think it's a reasonably fair assumption to make that Yelich would accept a deal that'd bring him back to Cali, LA, SD perhaps. The Yankees, Mets, perhaps he's less inclined to go to a large market on the East Coast, but I think it's more interesting to discuss the idea of trying to simply move the contract more than anything else.

 

It's unlikely the Brewers would look to trade Yelich and he could block it without the NTC, but that's the case for quite a few players. DJ LeMahieu has to be close a 10/5 guy if not one already.

 

[Matt Breen]

I'm going to keep things pretty simple for next year. Here we go:

1. Resign Miley. There is a mutual option on him, but work out something to keep him going forward.
2. Bring back Canha to play 1B. We have an $11.5M option, but that's likely too much. Perhaps work out a new deal - 2/$15M or something like that? The guy won't hit 30 HR, but he's a good shot to get 12-15 and hit .250ish - and take some walks. Plus he's not a bad fielder or baserunner. Just plug him in and enjoy the reliability.
3. Give Tyler Black the 3B job. Perhaps this is an awful idea - I just don't know if he can handle things defensively at the corner. But we've been playing the guy there all year - so the team must think it's a possibility. I love his on base skills. One other option is putting him at 1B. Not sure how that's going (he's got a handful of appearances there this year). But I'd like to see his bat in the lineup. As 3B is such a black hole - this would be perfect for him (pun intended). A super sub player is always a possibility as well - 3B, 2B, 1B, DH. 
4. Cut the cord with Rowdy and Lauer. Probably Houser as well, but giving up pitching - even mediocre pitching, is always risky. Letting go of these three saves about $15M in Arby salaries.
5. Give Gasser a spot in the rotation. Guy seems ready. So just roll the dice.
6. Bring Ashby along slowly. I'd love to get him so he's ready to be in the rotation later in the year.
7. I'm not trading anyone in this scenario, but it's certainly feasible. I'd look into it - but I wouldn't force anything. We can always move at the deadline if we falters.
8. We can look into extending players - such as Burnes and Woodruff - but I won't speculate on that. I'd love to have those guys around longer.

Here's the roster:

C - Contreras, (Henry or Caratini or some other veteran)
1B - Canha
2B - Turang
SS - Adames
3B - Black
INF - Monasterio, Miller
OF - Yelich, Mitchell, Frelick, Wiemer, Taylor

DH can rotate between all the players on the roster.

SP - Woodruff, Burnes, Miley, Peralta, Gasser, Ashby, Rea
RP - Williams, Wilson, Payamps, Peguero, Milner, Megill, Uribe

Fun to speculate.

[brewmann04]

If some team offers a package for either Burnes or Adames serious consider it. I letting Telez go also 

On 9/6/2023 at 10:05 PM, Joseph Zarr said:

Montgomery wins again. They plate on in the bottom of the 8th - a double and a ground out RBI. 3-2 over the Lookouts for the 2-0 series lead. Shuckers have to win tonight to stay 0.5 GB.

 

[jay87shot]

On 9/9/2023 at 6:42 PM, brewmann04 said:

If some team offers a package for either Burnes or Adames serious consider it. I letting Telez go also 

 

I doubt we even tender Rowdy an offer. He is basically a DH only with contact issues, he isnt worth over 5 million. 

[TURBO]

On 9/7/2023 at 6:49 AM, SF70 said:

Trade Burnes and use the $16M saved to add a Rhys Hoskins.

 

I would be in disagreement with the second part of this sentence.   Can we please aim a bit higher than Rhys Hoskins?

[Brewcrew82]

14 minutes ago, TURBO said:

I would be in disagreement with the second part of this sentence.   Can we please aim a bit higher than Rhys Hoskins?

Like who? With the production we've gotten at 1B since Fielder, we should be ecstatic with a pickup like Hoskins. 

[SF70]

1 hour ago, TURBO said:

I would be in disagreement with the second part of this sentence.   Can we please aim a bit higher than Rhys Hoskins?

wRC+ of 139-127-122 the last 3 seasons prior to this mostly lost season with his knee injury. 29 years old, 30 HR bat. Probably gets 3-4 years at $16-$20M/year. 

I think the aim is plenty high. 

[Brewcrew82]

50 minutes ago, SF70 said:

wRC+ of 139-127-122 the last 3 seasons prior to this mostly lost season with his knee injury. 29 years old, 30 HR bat. Probably gets 3-4 years at $16-$20M/year. 

I think the aim is plenty high. 

Aim any higher, too, and you're out of our price range (Ohtani, Bellinger, Champman, etc.) 

[jay87shot]

Hoskins is probably on the top tier of free agents we can afford. Unless we find an interesting trade I would be ok with him, my guess is that he would get something like Michael Conforto 2/32 with an opt out after 1. 

On 9/9/2023 at 2:37 PM, reillymcshane said:

I'm going to keep things pretty simple for next year. Here we go:

1. Resign Miley. There is a mutual option on him, but work out something to keep him going forward.
2. Bring back Canha to play 1B. We have an $11.5M option, but that's likely too much. Perhaps work out a new deal - 2/$15M or something like that? The guy won't hit 30 HR, but he's a good shot to get 12-15 and hit .250ish - and take some walks. Plus he's not a bad fielder or baserunner. Just plug him in and enjoy the reliability.
3. Give Tyler Black the 3B job. Perhaps this is an awful idea - I just don't know if he can handle things defensively at the corner. But we've been playing the guy there all year - so the team must think it's a possibility. I love his on base skills. One other option is putting him at 1B. Not sure how that's going (he's got a handful of appearances there this year). But I'd like to see his bat in the lineup. As 3B is such a black hole - this would be perfect for him (pun intended). A super sub player is always a possibility as well - 3B, 2B, 1B, DH. 
4. Cut the cord with Rowdy and Lauer. Probably Houser as well, but giving up pitching - even mediocre pitching, is always risky. Letting go of these three saves about $15M in Arby salaries.
5. Give Gasser a spot in the rotation. Guy seems ready. So just roll the dice.
6. Bring Ashby along slowly. I'd love to get him so he's ready to be in the rotation later in the year.
7. I'm not trading anyone in this scenario, but it's certainly feasible. I'd look into it - but I wouldn't force anything. We can always move at the deadline if we falters.
8. We can look into extending players - such as Burnes and Woodruff - but I won't speculate on that. I'd love to have those guys around longer.

Here's the roster:

C - Contreras, (Henry or Caratini or some other veteran)
1B - Canha
2B - Turang
SS - Adames
3B - Black
INF - Monasterio, Miller
OF - Yelich, Mitchell, Frelick, Wiemer, Taylor

DH can rotate between all the players on the roster.

SP - Woodruff, Burnes, Miley, Peralta, Gasser, Ashby, Rea
RP - Williams, Wilson, Payamps, Peguero, Milner, Megill, Uribe

Fun to speculate.

I don't mind the stay the course route for 1 more year, however we really need to get 1 solid bat. This current team has so much potential if we could just be more consistent on offense. Canha would be definitely a solid player to retain especially if 1st is going to be open. With your situation I would try and add a 3B and use Black as an everyday utility/DH. 

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Do they dare offer Carlos Santana a inexpensive one-year deal? He hasn't been a superstar since being acquired, but has been pretty solid with the bat after starting out ice cold, and is still a very good defensive 1B. But he'll be 38 next year, and his numbers have demonstrably dropped off the last couple seasons. 

[jay87shot]

1 hour ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

Do they dare offer Carlos Santana a inexpensive one-year deal? He hasn't been a superstar since being acquired, but has been pretty solid with the bat after starting out ice cold, and is still a very good defensive 1B. But he'll be 38 next year, and his numbers have demonstrably dropped off the last couple seasons. 

Santana would be a passible option, if the better bats that we could sign/trade for get to expensive I would be ok with him coming back for a similar salary to this year. By no means is he perfect but you know he will have over a .300 obp, around 20 hr's, play solid defense, and be a quality clubhouse influence. Ideally we get a guy like that who will hit at a higher average and is younger but having Santana back would be alright.  

[jay87shot]

Any chance we could extend Canha to a 2 or 3 year deal at less than his 12 mill option. I feel like 2/18 or 3/24 wouldnt be to crazy, especially with a few incentives and him being 35.

[sveumrules]

On 9/9/2023 at 1:37 PM, reillymcshane said:

I'm going to keep things pretty simple for next year. Here we go:

1. Resign Miley. There is a mutual option on him, but work out something to keep him going forward.
2. Bring back Canha to play 1B. We have an $11.5M option, but that's likely too much. Perhaps work out a new deal - 2/$15M or something like that? The guy won't hit 30 HR, but he's a good shot to get 12-15 and hit .250ish - and take some walks. Plus he's not a bad fielder or baserunner. Just plug him in and enjoy the reliability.
3. Give Tyler Black the 3B job. Perhaps this is an awful idea - I just don't know if he can handle things defensively at the corner. But we've been playing the guy there all year - so the team must think it's a possibility. I love his on base skills. One other option is putting him at 1B. Not sure how that's going (he's got a handful of appearances there this year). But I'd like to see his bat in the lineup. As 3B is such a black hole - this would be perfect for him (pun intended). A super sub player is always a possibility as well - 3B, 2B, 1B, DH. 
4. Cut the cord with Rowdy and Lauer. Probably Houser as well, but giving up pitching - even mediocre pitching, is always risky. Letting go of these three saves about $15M in Arby salaries.
5. Give Gasser a spot in the rotation. Guy seems ready. So just roll the dice.
6. Bring Ashby along slowly. I'd love to get him so he's ready to be in the rotation later in the year.
7. I'm not trading anyone in this scenario, but it's certainly feasible. I'd look into it - but I wouldn't force anything. We can always move at the deadline if we falters.
8. We can look into extending players - such as Burnes and Woodruff - but I won't speculate on that. I'd love to have those guys around longer.

Here's the roster:

C - Contreras, (Henry or Caratini or some other veteran)
1B - Canha
2B - Turang
SS - Adames
3B - Black
INF - Monasterio, Miller
OF - Yelich, Mitchell, Frelick, Wiemer, Taylor

DH can rotate between all the players on the roster.

SP - Woodruff, Burnes, Miley, Peralta, Gasser, Ashby, Rea
RP - Williams, Wilson, Payamps, Peguero, Milner, Megill, Uribe

Fun to speculate.

I think this is mostly where I’m at with a few small tweaks.

Think they’ll tender Houser just for the depth he provides, and his Arby’s should still be reasonable.

I’d probably put Ashby on a relief track for 2024 with how his rehab outings have looked.

If Black doesn’t make OD, he’ll be up early enough getting time in the 3B/1B/DH mix & would also expect them to make at least one external acquisition for that mix as a hedge.

[endaround]

1 hour ago, jay87shot said:

Any chance we could extend Canha to a 2 or 3 year deal at less than his 12 mill option. I feel like 2/18 or 3/24 wouldnt be to crazy, especially with a few incentives and him being 35.

Why would he agree? He has a $2m buyout. He likely can get a $8-10m one year deal easily. Why would he add a second year for basically free?