Pete Alonso was in Play?

[bensheeps]

Rosenthal reporting tonight...

 

[Brewcrew82]

The most I would've been willing to go for Alonso is Quero/Frelick/Black and Rodriguez. Anything involving Chourio and Misiorowski and I would have balked. 

[nate82]

I think you could remove Black, Frelick and Quero from the list.  Well Black maybe if they thought he was more of a 2B than a 3B.  Quero and Frelick don't make much sense for the Mets with Alvarez and Nimmo in NY already.  I think this is more of a the Brewers didn't have a prospect that played the right position for the Mets to make the move.  Obviously Chourio would have been a yes from the Mets but he wasn't in the discussion. 

Baty is also possibly another reason why the Mets wouldn't want Black.

Maybe the Mets also see Misiorowski as a relief pitcher and not a starter which would lower his value a lot.  I find it hard that the Mets wouldn't have traded Alonso for Misiorowski and another piece unless they didn't believe he was a starting pitcher. 

[sveumrules]

I love Alonso, he’d be the best hitter we’ve had since Adames put up a 136 wRC+ in 2021.

But he’s also looking at around $20M for his last year of Arby’s, so even if you wanted to project him at 5 WAR (which he hasn’t cracked since his rookie year), that’s still only like $25M in surplus value on the high end.

He’d be the perfect “all in” bat for 2024 if they decided to hold all of Burnes, Woodruff and Adames. Could conceivably QO all four and set up ridiculous for the 2025 draft.

[BrewerFan]

4 hours ago, nate82 said:

I think you could remove Black, Frelick and Quero from the list.  Well Black maybe if they thought he was more of a 2B than a 3B.  Quero and Frelick don't make much sense for the Mets with Alvarez and Nimmo in NY already.  I think this is more of a the Brewers didn't have a prospect that played the right position for the Mets to make the move.  Obviously Chourio would have been a yes from the Mets but he wasn't in the discussion. 

Baty is also possibly another reason why the Mets wouldn't want Black.

Maybe the Mets also see Misiorowski as a relief pitcher and not a starter which would lower his value a lot.  I find it hard that the Mets wouldn't have traded Alonso for Misiorowski and another piece unless they didn't believe he was a starting pitcher. 

Catchers are extraordinarily difficult to develop. You're assuming the Mets were only looking for players who fit into their future lineup. I seriously doubt that's the case.

Black can play 3B/2B/OF
Quero-Already addressed.
Misiorowski right there with Skenes for the best pure stuff in the minors.
Frelick, 1.2 WAR in 28 games vs 2.9 WAR this year. Frelick is a elite defender at all 3 OF positions.

Chourio is a ridiculous ask and it seems like both sides agree on that.

Nearly 7 years of those players for 1 year and 2 months from a 1B who's obviously a huge power hitter, but a poor defender(-15 OOA at 1B) and a .225/.335 line.

 

I can't imagine a team that's...most likely going to take any or at least many of these top 50 prospects, flip them to compete, that was the holdup. 

Plus, both of their catchers are poor defensive catchers who could play elsewhere, namely Alvarez. 12% CS, leads the league in passed balls.

 

I'd have traded Black among that group at most without any other considerations. 

[True Blue Brew Crew]

7 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

The most I would've been willing to go for Alonso is Quero/Frelick/Black and Rodriguez

Gee, is that all?

For a 1.3 year rental

[Playing Catch]

2 hours ago, True Blue Brew Crew said:

Gee, is that all?

For a 1.3 year rental

I think they meant, "one of Quero/Frelick/Black along with Rodriguez."

[Redd Vencher]

My guess is that none of the top 100 guys were offered. Luis Lara and Luke Adams were 2 other prospects pulled from action near the deadline along with Jarvis. My guess is it was Lara, Adams, and Jarvis being discussed for Alonso before pivoting to Jarvis for Canha.

[Outlander]

38 minutes ago, Redd Vencher said:

My guess is that none of the top 100 guys were offered. Luis Lara and Luke Adams were 2 other prospects pulled from action near the deadline along with Jarvis. My guess is it was Lara, Adams, and Jarvis being discussed for Alonso before pivoting to Jarvis for Canha.

The article mentioned "Brewers officials understood they would need to part with at least one of their top five prospects for Alonso"

[Harold Hutchison]

9 minutes ago, Outlander said:

The article mentioned "Brewers officials understood they would need to part with at least one of their top five prospects for Alonso"

Price is too high.

They were right to pivot away.

Tellez, Jace Avina, and Freddy Zamora for Alonso. Otherwise, I'd gladly pick up Canha's option to DH, with Yelich at first.

 

[jjfanec]

Alonso is definitely worth one of our top 5 prospects. He has elite power which is seriously lacking on our team. He is controlled through next year so he wasnt a rental. We currently are having Frelick often bat 4th. There is a huge hole there

[KCBrewerfan34]

13 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

The most I would've been willing to go for Alonso is Quero/Frelick/Black and Rodriguez. Anything involving Chourio and Misiorowski and I would have balked. 

No offense to the poster but there is zero and I mean zero thought to include this much talent in that deal. Maybe and I say maybe 2 of them. Alonso walks after next year. 

[Redd Vencher]

35 minutes ago, Outlander said:

The article mentioned "Brewers officials understood they would need to part with at least one of their top five prospects for Alonso"

I don't believe this "Brewers" official. The front office is pretty tight lipped. If one of the top 5 had been available, Alonso would have been a Brewer.

[Brewcrew82]

15 minutes ago, KCBrewerfan34 said:

No offense to the poster but there is zero and I mean zero thought to include this much talent in that deal. Maybe and I say maybe 2 of them. Alonso walks after next year. 

No offense but your interpretation of my post is incorrect. I said one of those guys “and Rodriguez”. If I meant all of those guys, I would have used commas instead of slashes.

[umphrey]

I feel like it’s hard to make these deals work unless we think we can sign him to a long term deal before he hits FA. I think that has happened a lot recently with these types of trades, especially with hitters. 

[jerichoholicninja]

Which side of this deal was Stearns working on?

[BrewerFan]

3 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

No offense but your interpretation of my post is incorrect. I said one of those guys “and Rodriguez”. If I meant all of those guys, I would have used commas instead of slashes.

I understood you weren't suggesting all 3 as...well, that would be insane. 

But would you really have felt good about 6+ years of Quero and then I presume you meant the RHP Carlos Rodriguez would have minimal value. 

 

The 14 years of a really good catching prospect, or a #3 starting pitcher for 2016 Chris Carter level production.

Carter- 222.321.499 OPS of .821 41 HRs
Alanso- .224.325.531 OPS of .856 39 HRs

Now...OBVIOUSLY they're not in the same league, but it's amazing how we just non-tendered the one and then have struggled to replace his production while the other would cost us one of the top 5 prospects in our of our best systems in team history. 

I hope we end up happy we didn't make this trade, but Alanso would have changed this lineup in a big way.

[wiguy94]

16 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

The 14 years of a really good catching prospect, or a #3 starting pitcher for 2016 Chris Carter level production.

Carter- 222.321.499 OPS of .821 41 HRs
Alanso- .224.325.531 OPS of .856 39 HRs

2016 Carter - 644 PA, 113 wRC+, 1.8 fWAR

2023 Alonso - 505 PA, 134 wRC+, 2.9 fWAR

Not even remotely comparable production.

[BrewerFan]

17 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

2016 Carter - 644 PA, 113 wRC+, 1.8 fWAR

2023 Alonso - 505 PA, 134 wRC+, 2.9 fWAR

Not even remotely comparable production.

They're definitely comparable. I know this because I just compared them and they were within 2 points in BA, 4 points in OBP and 32 points in SLG.

 

Now I DID then VERY clearly say overall, they weren't the same caliber of player;

28 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

Now...OBVIOUSLY they're not in the same league, but it's amazing how we just non-tendered the one and then have struggled to replace his production while the other would cost us one of the top 5 prospects in our of our best systems in team history. 

I hope we end up happy we didn't make this trade, but Alanso would have changed this lineup in a big way.

 

My point was simply how we stumbled upon a guy who was a HR champ and a very productive power hitter and now we'd need to give up a top ~30 prospect and a top ~150 pitching prospect to acquire a guy who can hit for power.

[wiguy94]

Just now, BrewerFan said:

They're definitely comparable. I know this because I just compared them and they were within 2 points in BA, 4 points in OBP and 32 points in SLG.

Alonso's wRC+ is 21 points higher than Carter's was in 2016 it's not remotely comparable production. 

[Brewcrew82]

15 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

They're definitely comparable. I know this because I just compared them and they were within 2 points in BA, 4 points in OBP and 32 points in SLG.

 

Now I DID then VERY clearly say overall, they weren't the same caliber of player;

 

My point was simply how we stumbled upon a guy who was a HR champ and a very productive power hitter and now we'd need to give up a top ~30 prospect and a top ~150 pitching prospect to acquire a guy who can hit for power.

Totally different run scoring environments. That's what wRC+ accounts for. Alonso has been a lot better than Carter. Not comparable

[sveumrules]

Not to mention Carter struck out 32.0% of the time in 2016, which shook out to a 156 K%+.

Alonso strikes out 21.2% of the time in 2023, which shakes out to a 94 K%+.

[BrewerFan]

2 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

Now...OBVIOUSLY they're not in the same league, but it's amazing how we just non-tendered the one and then have struggled to replace his production while the other would cost us one of the top 5 prospects in our of our best systems in team history. 

I literally said they're not in the same league. 

I simply made an observation their slash lines were VERY similar and how easily we found Carter and now we can't find any type of reliable production at 1B without giving up a top 5 prospect+.

I didn't say they had the same OPS+ or WRc+...

[Brewcrew82]

3 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

I literally said they're not in the same league. 

I simply made an observation their slash lines were VERY similar and how easily we found Carter and now we can't find any type of reliable production at 1B without giving up a top 5 prospect+.

I didn't say they had the same OPS+ or WRc+...

"They're definitely comparable". This was you.

They're not comparable despite their similar slash lines.

[umphrey]

Taking names out of it I don’t think Alonso was worth a top 30 prospect and I think it would have been crazy to offer that. He’s not even a top 5 1B this year and yes 1.3 years is a rental. If he got traded it would have been for a prospect package, for example #75 overall and a couple top 300 guys.