Counsell to Cubs

[Jimbo]

On 11/7/2023 at 11:09 PM, Fear The Chorizo said:

IMO it's much easier to maintain a 90ish win average in MLB when you have 3 divisions per league, particularly if you play in a central division that constantly has at least two teams fighting to lose 100x a year.

Those 80s Brewers teams were doing it in the AL east and had HOFers on their rosters.  if they had a similar playoff format then to what they do now I'd wager there would be at least 1 WS title in brewer history - they had some damn good teams not make the playoffs who could've went on a title run.

It's been a good run of winning  Brewer teams lately, but the early 80s brewer teams were better.

I can give you the 80's teams had better talent.  But as sveumrules said, the spread of the payrolls were tighter then.  Teams played a balanced schedule from 1977-1993, just as teams are playing balanced schedules now.

Also not mentioned, the Free Agent Re-Entry Draft that existed prior to 1982.  All teams had equal access to free agents back then.  The current teams are doing without some of the resources the 80's teams had.  I think that is what impresses me the most.

Collusion occurred after 1983.  IIRC, Molitor only had one contract offer (Brewers) after his 1987 season.

 

[Sixtolezcano]

Come on, Oh baby don’t you want to go

Come on, Oh baby don’t you want to go

Back to the same old place

Sweet home Chicago

[markedman5]

RIP

 

[markedman5]

If any of you want to get a laugh…….here you go……courtesy of Marshall Eckblad……..

https://www.jsonline.com/ideas-lab/

[wiguy94]

6 minutes ago, markedman5 said:

If any of you want to get a laugh…….here you go……courtesy of Marshall Eckblad……..

https://www.jsonline.com/ideas-lab/

Cubs have treated Counsell so well by giving him a worse team than the 2023 Cubs lol.

[young guns]

https://www.jsonline.com/story/opinion/2024/02/22/craig-counsell-baseball-wrigley-field-mark-attanasio-milwaukee-brewers/72659661007/

 

Here's a link to the opinion piece as it's slipping down the page in the link above. Someone sure does have a high opinion of their opinion.  "It wasn't about the money let me explain to you why it was about the money, but instead I replace money with "fairness".

[Thurston Fluff]

Supporting a team that can buy any player it wants over the team that can't just because the manager choose to be the highest paid manager for the team that has the money to spend instead of the team that was willing to make him the highest paid manager but couldn't buy any player they want is truly the only way to be fair.

Was that a long, confusing sentence? Yes, and it still was clearer, not to mention made more sense, than that opinion piece did.

[Underachiever]

This was written, and published, not on a blog, but in a newspaper!!!! I have no idea what this means:

First, no matter where Counsell is working, no loyal Brewers fans should ever help a Cubs fan find their seats “somewhere by third base” – nor should you ever point out the third baseman, or his base. If a Cubs fan cheers loudly and gets angry during an infield-fly pop-up, the next step is… to sip your Pepsi. Most importantly, no answers can be given to a North Sider begging questions about the “designated” part of the DH. (Wait, is he going back to the minors?!)

[markedman5]

I really can’t believe they published that piece of drivel……..

[Underachiever]

6 minutes ago, Thurston Fluff said:

Supporting a team that can buy any player it wants over the team that can't just because the manager choose to be the highest paid manager for the team that has the money to spend instead of the team that was willing to make him the highest paid manager but couldn't buy any player they want is truly the only way to be fair.

Was that a long, confusing sentence? Yes, and it still was clearer, not to mention made more sense, than that opinion piece did.

And by talking about fairness, he really downplayed the money part, to the point that the fairness aspect of the money was hidden in the money part that really said it was about fairness and Mark Attanasio made his point about fairness when he was the one paying the money out all these years, which I guess is fair.

[Playing Catch]

It was clearly meant to get clicks and reaction. Considering that was the point of the opinion piece, I'm sure USA Today is thrilled with the contribution.

[RobertCrawley]

I want to hear more from the sabermetric internet baseball experts here about how Counsell is too loyal to go to the Mets.

[TURBO]

I know this for certain, I will be rooting against CC hard all season long, not just when we play him, but every game he manages.

I want to see complete and utter failure from him and his team.

[areacodes]

1 hour ago, RobertCrawley said:

I want to hear more from the sabermetric internet baseball experts here about how Counsell is too loyal to go to the Mets.

That take was just as likely to come from the stat nerds as the “I trust my eyes” crowd.

[Team Canada]

11 hours ago, markedman5 said:

If any of you want to get a laugh…….here you go……courtesy of Marshall Eckblad……..

https://www.jsonline.com/ideas-lab/

Wait, was that serious? I read it as heavy satire.

[kalle8]

This is my love, my passion, my responsability, it's a torch I'll carry with me always, Just like you, I will root against CC and the Cubs for the rest of my life.

[KeithStone53151]

In case anyone needs more reason to hate this guy. I hope he stubs his toe once a day for the rest of his life.

[stoutdude04]

7 hours ago, KeithStone53151 said:

In case anyone needs more reason to hate this guy. I hope he stubs his toe once a day for the rest of his life.

Agreed. Hopefully he spills mustard on his uniform. Dude is sucky.

[bigred]

On 2/22/2024 at 4:50 PM, Underachiever said:

This was written, and published, not on a blog, but in a newspaper!!!! I have no idea what this means:

First, no matter where Counsell is working, no loyal Brewers fans should ever help a Cubs fan find their seats “somewhere by third base” – nor should you ever point out the third baseman, or his base. If a Cubs fan cheers loudly and gets angry during an infield-fly pop-up, the next step is… to sip your Pepsi. Most importantly, no answers can be given to a North Sider begging questions about the “designated” part of the DH. (Wait, is he going back to the minors?!)

So Brewers fans should treat them like garbage, just because they like another team? 🤣 I take sports pretty seriously, but not THAT serious that I'd corrupt my own morals. After all, it's ONLY a sport.

[bigred]

8 hours ago, KeithStone53151 said:

In case anyone needs more reason to hate this guy. I hope he stubs his toe once a day for the rest of his life.

To me, what he said sounded like a pretty "vanilla" type statement, instead of a dig on Milwaukee and/or the Brewers. Lol I think some people just hate him so much, they completely misunderstand what he meant.

[areacodes]

33 minutes ago, bigred said:

To me, what he said sounded like a pretty "vanilla" type statement, instead of a dig on Milwaukee and/or the Brewers. Lol I think some people just hate him so much, they completely misunderstand what he meant.

What did he mean then?

[bigred]

1 minute ago, areacodes said:

What did he mean then?

Ummm...I already said it sounded like a plain Jane vanilla answer pretty much every head coach says when they're being interviewed during the first game with their new team. What did he say, that you find so offensive towards Milwaukee/Brewers? 

[Fear The Chorizo]

8 hours ago, KeithStone53151 said:

In case anyone needs more reason to hate this guy. I hope he stubs his toe once a day for the rest of his life.

I'm very interested seeing how long it takes before CC is annoyed by all the unnecessary and pointless attention, followed up by beat writers and Chicago market press hounding him when things don't go perfectly.  He had it pretty good with a spineless group of Brewers' press, and it seems like he's got pretty thin skin when his decisions on lineup construction and the like fall flat.  

My guess is that he'll have at least one presser before Opening Day where it's obvious that he's annoyed by all of it, even before the games matter.

Specific to this instance - it's the first game of Spring Training in February, so who cares?  It's a clichet-filled statement from a guy instead saying what's actually on his mind, which would be along the lines of "It'd have been nice if the Cubs actually improved their roster this offseason to make it easier to win more than 83 games after paying me a ton of money last fall, really hope the roster I'm looking at right now gets 3-4 better players added to it before Opening Day or it's going to be long damn year."

[TURBO]

It may have been a vanilla shot, but it was a shot none the less.  It was a dig for sure, if he meant it to sound like it did, I don't know, but I know this:

I will enjoy rooting against the guy.  Screw Counsell, he is now the enemy.

[TURBO]

1 minute ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

I'm very interested seeing how long it takes before CC is annoyed by all the unnecessary and pointless attention, followed up by beat writers and Chicago market press hounding him when things don't go perfectly.  He had it pretty good with a spineless group of Brewers' press, and it seems like he's got pretty thin skin when his decisions on lineup construction and the like fall flat.  

 

Yup, the Milwaukee press NEVER asked the tough questions, threw him softballs his entire time here.

I'm not real familiar with the Chicago press, but I highly doubt they will be as easy on him as we were.  I look forward to seeing him squirm.