Is there a number that Hader makes sense at for us?

[Scooterfletcher]

Just in case he might prefer the comfy surroundings of Miller Park and his market stalls from what is expected, is there a number that makes sense to throw his way in terms of years an AAV?

[nate82]

I don’t think the Brewers would offer him a long term contract.  Maybe a 4-year contract for $96mm with deferred payments for 2-years at $3mm per year if he opts out after year one otherwise it is $4mm per year for 5-years.  Year one at $17mm, year two at $19mm, year three and four at $20mm each year.

The Brewers wouldn’t be able to give Hader a QO after year one also.

I don’t think this makes sense for the Brewers but this should be close to what it would take to sign him.  I am not sure this makes much sense for Hader either.

[TURBO]

He's gone, we need to just accept it and move on.

There are so many better uses we can put the money he will command.

To be honest, I doubt he wants to come back.

[Brewcrew82]

20 minutes ago, TURBO said:

He's gone, we need to just accept it and move on.

 

How do you know this? We had major success with him leading the back-end of the pen. He could very well miss Milwaukee and want to come back. You don't know for sure, so why say this? 

[TURBO]

2 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

How do you know this? We had major success with him leading the back-end of the pen. He could very well miss Milwaukee and want to come back. You don't know for sure, so why say this? 

I don't see him on our roster, it can't be argued that he's gone.  

Mod edit: you know you can't call people names like that. Please stop

I'd like to point out to the mods, after Brewcrew82 and I were warned last week, I have not quoted or interacted with this guy.  Yet here he is doing the same stuff he accuses me of and probably reports me for on a daily basis.  lol

[Brewcrew82]

1 hour ago, TURBO said:

I don't see him on our roster, it can't be argued that he's gone.  

<Mod edit>

I'd like to point out to the mods, after Brewcrew82 and I were warned last week, I have not quoted or interacted with this guy.  Yet here he is doing the same stuff he accuses me of and probably reports me for on a daily basis.  lol

I just happened to notice you making the same type of statement you persistently go after me for on this forum when I am not even addressing you or interacting with you in any way. I now see it's a different story when someone else is doing it to you. 

I have not reported you once. lol. 

[Brewcrew82]

3 hours ago, Scooterfletcher said:

Just in case he might prefer the comfy surroundings of Miller Park and his market stalls from what is expected, is there a number that makes sense to throw his way in terms of years an AAV?

As far as your question, I don't see it happening. If there's one area that the Brewers have proven they can be good-to-elite and not expend significant resources it's in the late innings. 

Even Devin Williams looks to be on his way out sometime within the next year, with Uribe being groomed to take over for him.

[homer]

@TURBO @Brewcrew82 For the record, neither of you reported the other one. On the other thread, it was another user that was tired of the back and forth. And now on this thread another user has reported you. You are both annoying the rest of the board right now. Please stop it. Just don't respond to each other for awhile. Thank you.

[TURBO]

Just now, homer said:

@TURBO @Brewcrew82 For the record, neither of you reported the other one. On the other thread, it was another user that was tired of the back and forth. And now on this thread another user has reported you. You are both annoying the rest of the board right now. Please stop it. Just don't respond to each other for awhile. Thank you.

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[MrTPlush]

We never entertained and even offered the guy a long term contract when he was here and could have potentially got a discount.

And now we are suddenly going to go out and sign him in FA? I get it is Arnold now and not Stearns...but this proposal of going to get him is a serious stretch. 

[phnxcrew]

I think there’s definitely a scenario where we deal Williams, burnes, adames and unload yelich onto some one.  Then we have to bulk up payroll to save face and give hader a 1/35 million dollar payday to trade him again at the break.  This scenario only exists in my head, but does that not make it real? 😅

[Fear The Chorizo]

No, there isn't a realistic number that makes sense for the Brewers to offer Hader that he would actually sign and return as a free agent, where both sides would be happy with the contract terms.

Frankly, I'm ok with not having a reliever signed to what will likely be a 9 figure contract to pitch into his mid-late 30s that pays him like he's going to remain an all-time great, when Hader has been fortunate to avoid significant arm injuries thus far in his career.

[Team Canada]

8 hours ago, Scooterfletcher said:

Just in case he might prefer the comfy surroundings of Miller Park and his market stalls from what is expected, is there a number that makes sense to throw his way in terms of years an AAV?

Never say never, but it's hard to imagine a scenario where it makes sense for the Brewers to pay a closer ~20M AAV.

[wibadgers23]

Just like with Burnes, that ship sailed a long time ago.

[brewcrewdue80]

The only number is below 50M since his QO triggers at a 50M pay point.  So 2years below 50M.  One of these NY teams will sign him based on how their offseason is ongoing.  

 

I'd also think Hader's feelings towards his final couple months as a Brewer and dealing with at home drama, he'd not want to return to that stretch in his life.  Never mind the Brewers actually traded him during that stretch.

[bigred]

16 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

How do you know this? We had major success with him leading the back-end of the pen. He could very well miss Milwaukee and want to come back. You don't know for sure, so why say this? 

There's no way the Brewers will pay a reliever, the kind of $$ Hader will want/get. 

[Harold Hutchison]

As much as I like Hader, I think it makes no sense to sign him or Williams long term.

Uribe, on the other hand, might be worth trying to lock up long term. Say something like this:

2024-2025: $1.5 million a year

2026-2027: $3.5 million a year

2028-2030: $5 million a year

2031-2033: $7.5 million a year

team option 2034: $10 million or $5 million buyout.

[Lloyd330]

Why would anyone want to waste money on Hader? This team is on a rebuild/re-tool and that is just throwing money away. 

The sooner some of you accept that, the easier this will be. 2024 will be the transition year and in 2025, we will have the youngest starting lineup in Baseball. 

 

[alwz4gbp]

3 hours ago, Lloyd330 said:

Why would anyone want to waste money on Hader? This team is on a rebuild/re-tool and that is just throwing money away. 

The sooner some of you accept that, the easier this will be. 2024 will be the transition year and in 2025, we will have the youngest starting lineup in Baseball. 

 

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner!!!!!  Lloyd330 is my new favorite writer.  

[Brewcrew82]

 

[Frisbee Slider]

37 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

 

No, thank you. We typically find very good relievers for near the league minimum, every year. 

[brewcrewdue80]

10 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

 

Glad to have the what he's looking for.  Clearly with draft pick cost makes Hader signing here below 0 percent.

 

The only way as I said, a deal happens is 2years or 1 year, and below 50M. 

 

Frisbee Slider- Hader definitely does better than the guys we see traded for or signed. Just not worth that much to our team with Williams and Uribe. Out of FA signings, based on history of HOF type RPs, the team that signs Hader, won't regret it.  Lockdown closer.

[Lathund]

There isn't a realistic offer which he'd sign where that amount of money isn't going to improve the team more by being spent on a position player, or a starter. 

Just the notion of paying $20m+ AAV for a player who will pitch 50-60 innings is absurd for a team on a budget. It's honestly not a good move for *any* team IMO, I think there's always a better way to spend it. I think the only time it's worth it is if you have a legit WS-calibre team already and just want to increase your playoff chances even further. 

Brewers were never going to extend Hader, and they are never going to extend Williams. They know how to find or "create" relievers out of nowhere. It's the only area of the team you can get something from (almost) nothing, so logic says to then do that, and spend the money on the other areas. 

I don't think the Brewers have offered a multi-year deal to a reliever (Not counting 2-year arbitration deals like Suter, or 1 year + option(s)) under Stearns/Arnold, and I don't know if they've offered more than $2m to any reliever (Excluding arbitration) since 2018 (Boone Logan). I could be slightly wrong about the numbers, but the overall point still stands, namely that the Brewers don't spend money on relievers. Which I think is entirely correct; with the caveat that the money then should be spent elsewhere. 

[Frisbee Slider]

It does not make sense to pay a reliever $357,000 per inning pitched.  $20M/56 IP.

We get good production for $770,000 for an entire season from pre-arbitration relievers.

Plus, this seems like a situation where Hader cannot come home again. Not terrible bad blood but I imagine Milwaukee is not quite the same for him, anymore. Which is fine.

[BrewerFan]

On 12/27/2023 at 2:47 PM, Brewcrew82 said:

How do you know this? We had major success with him leading the back-end of the pen. He could very well miss Milwaukee and want to come back. You don't know for sure, so why say this? 

We had a lot of success with Burnes leading our rotation...yet when someone proposed the idea of trading Yelich and using that money to sign Burnes(in another hypothetical) you flatly dismissed it by saying "ain't happening, Burnes said he priced himself out of Milwaukee." Not sure who suggested it, but it made a lot more sense than going and bringing back Hader at this point.

What Burnes actually said was something along the lines of he's unlikely to sign an extension this close to free agency.

But a reliever who's a current FA vs a SPer who's currently on our roster, you dismiss the possibility of signing the starter, but leave the door open to signing the reliever?

 

The chances are exceedingly slim we sign either, it's just an odd contradiction there.