Brewers sign Rhys Hoskins

[homer]

2 hours ago, JefferyLeonard said:

It's not , it's truth, and the fact of the matter is, this board can't handle and doesn't want to hear the truth because they drink the kool aid this organization has fed them about not being able to spend more yadda yadda yadda. Guillable, guillable fans, every single one of you

Hope you have one flap down on your way out the door. 

[markedman5]

57 minutes ago, brewerfan82 said:

Where the heck is the ignore button? I've spent the past 10 minutes trying to find it, lol. This whole thing has gotten ridiculous. There is zero possibility this person is in their right mind and not trolling the place on purpose at this point and it doesn't seem like the moderators are doing anything about it, so I'd like to give the ignore feature a try and would encourage anyone else that's ready to move on to do the same.

Update: Found it! Hover their profile image without clicking on it and the button is in a popup that appears.

I have him on my ignore list and his posts still show up……..🤷‍♂️

[CheeseheadInQC]

1 hour ago, JefferyLeonard said:

You're right, it makes ZERO sense to give a player who fits perfectly at perhaps your biggest position of need a multi year contract so you know, you don't have to worry about that position for awhile? You're right, that makes no sense. 

Except you are assuming he remains that guy. Take a look at the guys who signed for 4+ years in the $60 million to $100 million range that Hoskins would be in from 2017 to 2021. The most successful ones accumulated nearly all of their value in the first two years (or in the case of Nathan Eovaldi, the middle two years): Cain, LeMahieu, Ryu, Grandal. These were the success stories from that group, averaging between 2.2 and 1.9 WAR per season of their contracts so far (and yes, I multiplied the 2020 totals by 2.7 to adjust). Donaldson, Bumgarner and Moustakas didn't even see the end of their deals, and neither did Justin Upton, who barely topped the $100 million mark.

I love this signing, I was calling for this signing. I wouldn't give him 4-5 years, though. This works out perfectly for all involved. The Brewers get a solid fit at first. Hoskins gets to rehabilitate his value in a hitter-friendly park. And some other team gets to take the risk of signing him to a long-term deal at year's end.

[BrewerFan]

40 minutes ago, MVP2110 said:

Putting the user on ignore certainly has helped, but the threads all still end up being derailed so I hope the mods can find some sort of a solution to that. I'd love to just come and talk about the signing, how Hoskins will fit in, the risks of the opt out. etc. 

What more would you like to discuss regarding Hoskins and his fit? 

I think this is funny. The player the poster wanted to sign, they signed him and he's still complaining. Feel free to ask questions about him opting out or how he'll fit(not sure you'll get any more than what we already discussed).

What are the Mods supposed to do? Yell at us for having fun and arguing the absurdity of the "it's not for more money and longer," argument?

The "how does Hoskins fit," thread is probably over by now. It can sometimes be light and pointless, no? Dunking on the guy who has whined ALL off-season about not signing Rhys and then once we sign him, whined about it not being long enough. 

[AdvantageSchneider]

9 hours ago, markedman5 said:

Don’t think that’s going to happen……Hoskins is your first baseman…I’m sure he will get some days off against righties….they will rotate guys at DH.

Yelich, Contreras, Black others…….

This will be interesting. I was reading somewhere that there were like 6 decent 1b/DH free agent options out there but there were only 5 major league jobs that appeared to be available.  Hopkins, Turner, Cooper, Santana, Martinez, Belt.  So there might be a decent player out there looking for a job and time is getting short.  I could see us picking up a guy on the cheap right before training camp.

I'm fine with keeping that spot open for Yeli/Contreas etc but I wouldn't mind another upgrade either.

[MVP2110]

7 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

What more would you like to discuss regarding Hoskins and his fit? 

I think this is funny. The player the poster wanted to sign, they signed him and he's still complaining. Feel free to ask questions about him opting out or how he'll fit(not sure you'll get any more than what we already discussed).

What are the Mods supposed to do? Yell at us for having fun and arguing the absurdity of the "it's not for more money and longer," argument?

The "how does Hoskins fit," thread is probably over by now. It can sometimes be light and pointless, no? Dunking on the guy who has whined ALL off-season about not signing Rhys and then once we sign him, whined about it not being long enough. 

Except it's just once again turned another thread into a discussion about if the Brewers spend enough. We let a single poster come in and disrupt all actual discussion on here for some reason. 

For example I don't think we've touched at all on the risk of the opt out. The only time I can remember something similar is when we signed JBJ in March a couple years ago and we ended up having to deal away a couple decent prospects to get off that 2nd year. Now that doesn't mean Hoskins will be as bad as JBJ was, but the risk is definitely there. 

Or how does he fit defensively? The Brewers have always seemed to care a ton about defense but Hoskins isn't exactly known as a great defender. Now tbf neither was Rowdy so it's possible the Brewers don't care as much about 1b defense, maybe they think similarly to Brad Pitt in moneyball that anyone can play a decent 1b

[MVP2110]

6 hours ago, AdvantageSchneider said:

This will be interesting. I was reading somewhere that there were like 6 decent 1b/DH free agent options out there but there were only 5 major league jobs that appeared to be available.  Hopkins, Turner, Cooper, Santana, Martinez, Belt.  So there might be a decent player out there looking for a job and time is getting short.  I could see us picking up a guy on the cheap right before training camp.

I'm fine with keeping that spot open for Yeli/Contreas etc but I wouldn't mind another upgrade either.

I could absolutely see us signing someone you mentioned to a 1 year deal if it presents itself come the end of February or early March. I think Yelich is fine in the DH and allows us to play our young elite defenders in the OF but if they could grab one of those guys on a 1 year deal for cheap I think they'd probably jump on that. 

[Playing Catch]

1 hour ago, MVP2110 said:

Except it's just once again turned another thread into a discussion about if the Brewers spend enough. We let a single poster come in and disrupt all actual discussion on here for some reason. 

For example I don't think we've touched at all on the risk of the opt out. The only time I can remember something similar is when we signed JBJ in March a couple years ago and we ended up having to deal away a couple decent prospects to get off that 2nd year. Now that doesn't mean Hoskins will be as bad as JBJ was, but the risk is definitely there. 

Or how does he fit defensively? The Brewers have always seemed to care a ton about defense but Hoskins isn't exactly known as a great defender. Now tbf neither was Rowdy so it's possible the Brewers don't care as much about 1b defense, maybe they think similarly to Brad Pitt in moneyball that anyone can play a decent 1b

I think Brewerfan is just saying that yes, we all know he's a troll. Trolls behave EXACTLY like this. Plan (A) move goalposts, plan (B) make strawman arguments, plan (C) make goalposts out of strawman. Then flame. Always pump the bellows just enough so that posters get mad, but that the mods don't ban you.

In terms of the risk of the 2nd year, I think it's acceptable risk. I think we have collective trauma after witnessing some truly horrible seasons the last few years, whether it be JBJ, Cain's last season, Tellez last year. If any of those season were merely poor, rather than dreadful, they wouldn't have been so painful.

[MVP2110]

17 minutes ago, Playing Catch said:

I think Brewerfan is just saying that yes, we all know he's a troll. Trolls behave EXACTLY like this. Plan (A) move goalposts, plan (B) make strawman arguments, plan (C) make goalposts out of strawman. Then flame. Always pump the bellows just enough so that posters get mad, but that the mods don't ban you.

In terms of the risk of the 2nd year, I think it's acceptable risk. I think we have collective trauma after witnessing some truly horrible seasons the last few years, whether it be JBJ, Cain's last season, Tellez last year. If any of those season were merely poor, rather than dreadful, they wouldn't have been so painful.

And that 1st part doesn't bother you at all? I put the troll on ignore and yet when I come to this thread the entire discussion is based around him. It's literally every time we make a move. I'm not mad at the troll, he's getting exactly what he wants, I wish the mods here would try to keep the discussion on track a little more like on other forums I frequent. 

As for the 2nd year opt out, I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing, but it is a risk. It is worth noting though their 2025 payroll commitments are slim so even if this year goes poorly and Hoskins doesn't opt out they can likely fit his salary into their payroll pretty easily. 

[Underachiever]

And if Hoskins has a poor first year, that doesn’t mean the second year will be poor. Hope!

[bigred]

11 hours ago, torts said:

Craig, is that you?

Sorry. That wasn't meant for you. 

[bigred]

11 hours ago, JefferyLeonard said:

It's not trolling, it's truth, and the fact of the matter is, this board can't handle and doesn't want to hear the truth because they drink the kool aid this organization has fed them about not being able to spend more yadda yadda yadda. Guillable, guillable fans, every single one of you. 

Gaslighting at its finest.

[monty57]

9 hours ago, CheeseheadInQC said:

I love this signing, I was calling for this signing. I wouldn't give him 4-5 years, though. This works out perfectly for all involved. The Brewers get a solid fit at first. Hoskins gets to rehabilitate his value in a hitter-friendly park. And some other team gets to take the risk of signing him to a long-term deal at year's end.

Yeah, without the knee injury, he would probably have gotten his long-term, higher AAV deal, and the Brewers wouldn't have been in on it. Because of the injury, he's a nice fit for a 1-2 year window. 

As much as I've been pining for this move, it's because we could get an upgrade at a position of need on a contract we could afford. He's a roughly 2 WAR player, so there's no reason to take too much risk on length or AAV. 2 WAR players are nice guys to get on shorter-term deals to fill holes in the roster.

It is nice that he's been pretty steady, between 2-2.3 WAR/year. I'd compare this to an acquisition like Avi Garcia, but Avi was much more hit-or-miss. As long as Hoskins' knee is okay, he's a pretty good bet to get somewhere around a 2 WAR. 

[Oxy]

12 hours ago, JefferyLeonard said:

It's not trolling, it's truth, and the fact of the matter is, this board can't handle and doesn't want to hear the truth because they drink the kool aid this organization has fed them about not being able to spend more yadda yadda yadda. Guillable, guillable fans, every single one of you. 

I know that I am especially "guillable".  I anxiously await all of the responses to your posts...

[brewcrewdue80]

4 minutes ago, MVP2110 said:

And that 1st part doesn't bother you at all? I put the troll on ignore and yet when I come to this thread the entire discussion is based around him. It's literally every time we make a move. I'm not mad at the troll, he's getting exactly what he wants, I wish the mods here would try to keep the discussion on track a little more like on other forums I frequent. 

As for the 2nd year opt out, I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing, but it is a risk. It is worth noting though their 2025 payroll commitments are slim so even if this year goes poorly and Hoskins doesn't opt out they can likely fit his salary into their payroll pretty easily. 

The part about 2025 payroll commitments does need to consider the rare Accepts a QO payroll addition.  Burnes is 100pct no concerns.  Adames though? And now say Hoskins if he did opt out after a 4+war top 20MVP season.   It used to be Woodruff now insert Hoskins. Kinda gotta earmark some salary off to the side just in case as the season progresses or 1 or more is traded.

We remember the horrible FA/trade outcomes but there was the good year by Renfroe.  Good year by Wong.  Grandal. Pre-2020 Cain. Those 1st 2 seasons paid his contract until those last seasons took money back. 

Hoskins is on the good side of things for the 2yr contract. Will be 31&32 for the 2 seasons. Above league average via Savant in 2022 in the categories that you want. Far more consistent than Winker ever was yearly.  

The contract would have looked really bad had it gone 4 years or more. The gamble he'd be good in 2024 returning from his ACL and instead he's no longer the player he was? Wow doubling down with the Yelich contract extension.  

The opt out just may be the reason Hopkins agreed to a 2yr deal for 34M with Milw.  Versus say signing a 1 or 2yr deal with another team.  The kind of things that when Milw doesn't sign with a FA it is reasonable it's not always just money offered.  We'll get an update here on the contract I imagine before the weekend so today or during day Friday. Is a holdup due to 40man? Where there needs to be a corresponding move so they can't finish the signing til that's squared away?

[jerichoholicninja]

Have mods lost the ability or will to ban? I suggested it once before and my post was deleted. This thread just proves it really needs to happen.

[monty57]

30 minutes ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

The opt out just may be the reason Hopkins agreed to a 2yr deal for 34M with Milw.  

I'd guess that it was a major factor in why he signed here. There were probably a number of one and two year deals, but no longer-term ones. Hoskins wants a longer-term deal, but he's coming off an injury so two-year with an opt-out is a good contract for him. 

If he plays like he expects himself to, he'll opt out, probably getting a buyout and a long-term offer from a team next year. If he doesn't play well, he gets paid for another year. 

The Brewers will have very little money on the books in 2025, so it's a risk they can take.  

[TrackCoach]

Hoskins was my number one target this year and I am thrilled to see it come to fruition.  I have acquaintances that have high level coaching and front office jobs and the one thing I keep hearing from them is how impressed the sports world is in how the Brewers took the Marlins ideas and have expanded on them even more to keep a steady flow of young talent being injected into the organization every year.  Draft picks, international signings, comp picks, and smart trades lead to a pipeline of talent that can help keep a smaller market team competitive for more than just a short window.  I have a similar feeling as to when Barry took over the Badgers and told me to "but my season tickets now because they will be hard to get in a few years".  At the moment I thought he was a little over confident and crazy, but he did it.

[Oxy]

31 minutes ago, TrackCoach said:

Hoskins was my number one target this year and I am thrilled to see it come to fruition.  I have acquaintances that have high level coaching and front office jobs and the one thing I keep hearing from them is how impressed the sports world is in how the Brewers took the Marlins ideas and have expanded on them even more to keep a steady flow of young talent being injected into the organization every year.  Draft picks, international signings, comp picks, and smart trades lead to a pipeline of talent that can help keep a smaller market team competitive for more than just a short window.  I have a similar feeling as to when Barry took over the Badgers and told me to "but my season tickets now because they will be hard to get in a few years".  At the moment I thought he was a little over confident and crazy, but he did it.

UHHhhhmmm.... I think you mean "Rays" rather than "Marlins?"  

[Thurston Fluff]

1 hour ago, monty57 said:

It is nice that he's been pretty steady, between 2-2.3 WAR/year. I'd compare this to an acquisition like Avi Garcia, but Avi was much more hit-or-miss. As long as Hoskins' knee is okay, he's a pretty good bet to get somewhere around a 2 WAR. 

I was thinking of Avi as I was reading your post. The only difference is the injury aspect. ACL injuries have a pretty good track record to come back from these days so it's not a major issue. Be

 

[tmwiese55]

Avi Garcia, another example of our idiot cheap owner not paying up.  4 year contract to a 31 year old that has gone awful.

Agree with what others have said, giving that opt out and option was probably what he was looking for and you don't get him without it.  Acceptable risk imo.   And Brewers are in a financials spot next year to deal with it if something bad does happen (gets hurt again, doesn't return to form etc) and its only one year and then you're done with it if that is the case.   Otherwise its a win win, we get him for a fair deal in our 'go for it' year with Burnes, if he does well he gets paid by someone else.  And then we'll chuckle 3-4 years from now when he's hitting .220 for 25 mil per year.    ETA: Well all of us but one who will be mad we're not the ones paying it

[Team Canada]

2 hours ago, jerichoholicninja said:

Have mods lost the ability or will to ban? I suggested it once before and my post was deleted. This thread just proves it really needs to happen.

Someone having an opinion that everyone disagrees with isn't banning material. If everyone would stop putting him on blast there wouldn't be anything to respond to.

Stop feeding the troll.

[homer]

2 hours ago, jerichoholicninja said:

Have mods lost the ability or will to ban? I suggested it once before and my post was deleted. This thread just proves it really needs to happen.

He was temp banned last night.  We're going to discuss what to do about him long term.

 

I kind of thought my one flap down comment made it obvious but I guess not.

[TURBO]

2 hours ago, Team Canada said:

Someone having an opinion that everyone disagrees with isn't banning material. If everyone would stop putting him on blast there wouldn't be anything to respond to.

Stop feeding the troll.

100% this.

People feed him, blast him, then complain when he comes back even harder.

Makes no sense.

I'm not defending him, although I 100% support people being allowed to share their opinions, even if I don't agree with them.

To be honest, it's mostly the people who post here's fault for his behavior...  Keep poking the bear and all that...

[superfly]

I’m somewhat on the trolls side. Maybe Hoskins wouldn’t come for it, but i hate the 1 year deal too. Give the guy 2 years, a little more money and then the opt out. I’ll cheer for the guy all year and am tickled we signed him, but there’s a good chance we’re going to be right back at it next winter staring at a black hole at 1B again. Sure would be nice to not look at it for a year or two and worry about another hole to fill.