2024 Brewers Rotation

[CheezWizHed]

9 minutes ago, Ignitor 4ever said:

I think this is a decent idea too.  The strength of our staff is the bullpen.  We are hoping to get 5-6 solid innings from our starters on any given day and then hoping our bullpen shortens the game.  A 6-man rotation probably plays to our greatest pitching strength.

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[RedStickBrew]

1 hour ago, Playing Catch said:

I agree with the 6 man rotation ideas. If they decide to have a few rookie starters on the roster at the same time, it's easy, too, to have them piggy-back/switch from SP to RP in order to both control for innings as well as control for poor performance.

[TURBO]

Bauer still out there!

I'd sign this guy to a cheap contract in a heartbeat.

[Brewcrew82]

I severely doubt Bauer's getting signed by anyone at this point.

[LouisEly]

The thing with a 6-man rotation is balancing the workload with a shorter pen.  Can only have max of 13 pitchers which leaves seven relievers instead of eight.  Will need relievers who can go multi-innings.  Going to have to do the AAA shuttle as much as possible with the 5-send down limit.

Three off days the first 8 days of the regular season, then 13 in a row with one day off then another 13 in a row with one day off and then another 13 in a row.  Can likely keep an 8-man bullpen for only the first 10-12 days of the season.

If they can only keep seven relievers after the first week or two, then assuming:

Peralta/Miley/Rea/Ross/Hall/Ashby/Gasser are the starters,

Williams/Milner/Payamps/Megill/Peguero/Wilson/Uribe are their top seven relievers,

that means only one lefty in the pen and one of Hall/Ashby/Gasser is the 6th starter/swingman. 

Even if Gasser doesn't break camp with the big league team, he will likely need to pick up 12-15 starts to keep Hall & Ashby's innings down.  I would also not be surprised to see a SP acquisition in July to address innings limits.

[Jenkins5]

Watching Foul Territory interview with DL Hall, he said he’s been training all off season to be starter (was planning to compete for SP job this year in Baltimore). Murph talked to him & they want to try him there. So safe bet that they will give him every opportunity to start this year. Problem will be building up innings.

I think Ashby could do a double piggyback, more of the original Hader coming in & giving you three innings a couple time a week behind Hall & someone else. Gasser is good to ride. He’s been over 130 in back to back years I believe. 

[wiguy94]

3 hours ago, LouisEly said:

The thing with a 6-man rotation is balancing the workload with a shorter pen.  Can only have max of 13 pitchers which leaves seven relievers instead of eight.  Will need relievers who can go multi-innings.  Going to have to do the AAA shuttle as much as possible with the 5-send down limit.

Three off days the first 8 days of the regular season, then 13 in a row with one day off then another 13 in a row with one day off and then another 13 in a row.  Can likely keep an 8-man bullpen for only the first 10-12 days of the season.

If they can only keep seven relievers after the first week or two, then assuming:

Peralta/Miley/Rea/Ross/Hall/Ashby/Gasser are the starters,

Williams/Milner/Payamps/Megill/Peguero/Wilson/Uribe are their top seven relievers,

that means only one lefty in the pen and one of Hall/Ashby/Gasser is the 6th starter/swingman. 

Even if Gasser doesn't break camp with the big league team, he will likely need to pick up 12-15 starts to keep Hall & Ashby's innings down.  I would also not be surprised to see a SP acquisition in July to address innings limits.

My concern with a potential 6 man rotation is how do you shuttle that bullpen?

Williams, Payamps, Wilson don't have options. Milner is the only lefty and barring a collapse too good to option. Megill, Peguero and Uribe were all really good last year and probably too good to be optioned. How do you shuttle with that bullpen?

[Playing Catch]

5 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

My concern with a potential 6 man rotation is how do you shuttle that bullpen?

Williams, Payamps, Wilson don't have options. Milner is the only lefty and barring a collapse too good to option. Megill, Peguero and Uribe were all really good last year and probably too good to be optioned. How do you shuttle with that bullpen?

Blalock, Tobias Myers, Junk, McKendry, Rodriguez, and Patrick can all come up and provide innings, potentially for weeks at a time (presuming there is roster space). You shuttle the starters.

But realistically, you are correct. They need some old guy to come in and pitch 120 innings.

I'm very much convinced they need to move Williams for a decent post-hype SP with 4 years of control that can soak up some innings and pitch to a 4.50 ERA.

[TURBO]

2 minutes ago, Playing Catch said:

 

I'm very much convinced they need to move Williams for a decent post-hype SP with 4 years of control that can soak up some innings and pitch to a 4.50 ERA.

If that is all we can get for Williams, I'm hanging onto him...just saying.

[Playing Catch]

2 minutes ago, TURBO said:

If that is all we can get for Williams, I'm hanging onto him...just saying.

Oh, trust me, I would want more, but in terms of 2024 MLB assets in return, that would be my threshold, and then add a couple kids.

Now if they could get a better 2024 starter than that for Devin, I'd love it. I'm just imagining the least return that I think would make the 2024 team better... An average starter with some control plus a couple of promising kids I think would be fair. 

[wiguy94]

It will never happen, but I kind of want the Brewers to do some crazy pitching system after signing Junis. Do 8 SP and 5 RP.

Freddy and Miley pitch as normal SP. then have 3 sets of piggy backs with Junis-Gasser, Ross-Ashby, Rea-Hall. Have the 5 man pen be Williams, Uribe, Payamps, Milner, and a shuttle spot. 

Like I said it would never happen but would be super cool.

[BrewCrew8675309]

Opening Day will not need 6 starters as there are too many days off that can skip a starter and keep those already up on a schedule so OD Rotation will be these 5: Freddy, WMiley, Junis, Rea, Ross

At the lab/extended ST 

Ashby (to get the shoulder right), DLHall (to get his plane and arm slot in line with Brewer expectations), Gasser (to slow his clock), Misi (to work on that delivery)

Dream September rotation where everyone maxes out their potential 

Freddy, Ashby, DLHall, Misi, Gasser, and CRod 

A nice BP if chips do not land well

DLHall, Payamps, Misi, AUribe, and a mix of Hoby, McGill, Peguro, TClarke, Thyago Vieira, Bryse, Hudson, Shane Smith 

with Devin Williams being traded. 

 

[DR28]

So Im guessing our OD rotation will be: Peralta, Miley, Junis, Hall, Rea.. Ashby to IL until he's ready?

Really want to see Aaron in the rotation, he would be a waste in the pen.

[DR28]

Really hope Ashby is as healthy as MA says..... I would feel much better about our rotation.

Peralta

Ashby

Hall

Junis or Rea

Miley

[AZ Brewer]

Let me say up front, that I'm not advocating for or against this, I'm just sharing. 

Yesterday on Twitter, Trevor Bauer stated that he'd sign with any MLB team, for the league minimum. 

[Dave_Not_Here]

We really just need one more starter who has durability we can count on.  While I think Junis can help, he has mostly been a reliever/spot starter recently. 

Milwaukee's best known starters are kind of to really fragile, and the most durable starters aren't guys we can be sure we can count on all year.  The younger pitchers are certainly intriguing, but unless/until they show what they can do with their chances, we simply don't know about them.

If Arnold means it about still competing this year, we just need more that we can count on.

[TURBO]

44 minutes ago, AZ Brewer said:

Let me say up front, that I'm not advocating for or against this, I'm just sharing. 

Yesterday on Twitter, Trevor Bauer stated that he'd sign with any MLB team, for the league minimum. 

Why are you afraid to say if you are for or against it?

We would have nothing to lose at this price, build in a bunch of incentives, and if he is an idiot, or detrimental to the team in any way, cut him.

Simple as that.

I'm 100% totally on board with signing him.

[AZ Brewer]

25 minutes ago, TURBO said:

Why are you afraid to say if you are for or against it?

We would have nothing to lose at this price, build in a bunch of incentives, and if he is an idiot, or detrimental to the team in any way, cut him.

Simple as that.

I'm 100% totally on board with signing him.

Fair enough. I'm new around these parts....

[Platoon Power]

Most of us here are familiar with the multiple times through the order penalty with pitchers.  Why not put it into action? The way I look at it, the Brewers are running a 2 man rotation followed by a bunch of question marks.  I'm wondering how feasible it is for a team to utilize a bunch of pitchers in 3 inning max stints and sort of eliminate the idea of starting pitchers?  We have a lot of arms who do certain things well but have significant warts preventing them from being elite.  Why not hide the negatives as best as possible and put them in a position to utilize their strengths?

Jake Junis has an elite slider and is essentially a multi-inning ROOGY.  He's also living proof that the more times a hitter sees a pitcher the more success they have.  Hitters have a .683 OPS against him the 1st PA in a game, .774 OPS the 2nd PA in a game and a .968 OPS the 3rd PA in a game.  He could be quite successful if deployed against RH heavy teams or inserting him into a game after you get past a LHH heavy point in a lineup.

Colin Rea and Joe Ross are other similar pitchers who's numbers fall off the 2nd time through the lineup and have had more success against the same sided hitting.  Combine them with DL Hall, Aaron Ashby, Robert Gasser and eventually Carlos Rodriguez and Jacob Misiorowski to give would give us a a deep collection of arms that can throw over 100 innings in a season.  With a balanced mix of LH and RH pitchers you can attack other lineups instead of letting them react to your rotation.  

If you pitch these guys in 3 inning stints, on 3-4 days rest, you could get 40-54 appearances in a season, which would translate to 120-162 IP in an ideal world.  The extra bonus is that It's a creative way to stretch out your arms at the major league level until there ready to pitch 180+ innings as a normal starting pitcher.

The only problem I see is how the players would react to it.  Josh Hader flat out rejected it because of how the arbitration process rewards pitchers.  I would love to hear what you guys think of this idea and if it might be feasible?

 

 

  

 

 

 

[KeithStone53151]

I don't know how we can seriously contemplate entering the season without adding a starting pitcher. Peralta, Miley, Rea...? Is Rea really our 3rd best starter? I can't think of anyone else that's a locked in starter. Hall and Junis will try to transition from relief. Ashby may start if truly healthy. Bryce Wilson was real good as long reliever and should contend for a rotation spot simply based on how bad the options are. Carlos Rodriguez and Gasser are quality options in the high minors but neither were really beating down the door to close the year.

I feel like we don't have enough options for early in the season. Gasser/Rodriguez aren't realistic for super early in the season, Ashby is not certain to be ready for the rotation. There really aren't a lot of other names up there, we're 2 injuries away from having a real problem covering innings...and that's not even considering the fact that quality in general is a real problem beyond probably Peralta. A lot of yikes with the rotation heading into the season, which is inevitable considering Woodruff/Burnes are gone. Kinda hard to adequately replace guys that are going to go for $30M+/year in FA.

[Brewcrew82]

3 minutes ago, KeithStone53151 said:

I don't know how we can seriously contemplate entering the season without adding a starting pitcher. Peralta, Miley, Rea...? Is Rea really our 3rd best starter? I can't think of anyone else that's a locked in starter. Hall and Junis will try to transition from relief. Ashby may start if truly healthy. Bryce Wilson was real good as long reliever and should contend for a rotation spot simply based on how bad the options are. Carlos Rodriguez and Gasser are quality options in the high minors but neither were really beating down the door to close the year.

I feel like we don't have enough options for early in the season. Gasser/Rodriguez aren't realistic for super early in the season, Ashby is not certain to be ready for the rotation. There really aren't a lot of other names up there, we're 2 injuries away from having a real problem covering innings...and that's not even considering the fact that quality in general is a real problem beyond probably Peralta. A lot of yikes with the rotation heading into the season, which is inevitable considering Woodruff/Burnes are gone. Kinda hard to adequately replace guys that are going to go for $30M+/year in FA.

How is being arguably the best pitcher in the international league not "beating on the door" for Gasser? Rodriguez, I'll give you. But Gasser is 24 going on 25 and ready for a starting spot. 

[RobertCrawley]

On 2/8/2024 at 3:56 PM, AZ Brewer said:

Let me say up front, that I'm not advocating for or against this, I'm just sharing. 

Yesterday on Twitter, Trevor Bauer stated that he'd sign with any MLB team, for the league minimum. 

Nyet.

[monty57]

It'll be interesting to see what they do with Gasser. They could probably send him up and down as the 6th starter a few times to save a year's service time, but he's also one of the few guys we have who could probably handle a full season's worth of starts. 

I'll guess that unless he completely dominates spring training, they'll keep him down to start the season and bring him up for a spot start or two over the first few weeks before permanently putting him in the rotation. 

I think they'll give Hall every opportunity to start, but they may keep him on a strict limit early on, leading to some short starts, where one of our other starter/multi-inning guys can come in. Ashby may be the same way, but he also may need some IL time before he even sees the MLB field, so he's a question mark until he gets on the field. 

Ross has had tons of injuries and has never pitched over 108 innings (which was in '21 when he got his last injury that has kept him out since). 

There's just way too many ways things could go, but these things tend to sort themselves out over the month+ of spring training. 

[Jopal78]

43 minutes ago, monty57 said:

It'll be interesting to see what they do with Gasser. They could probably send him up and down as the 6th starter a few times to save a year's service time, but he's also one of the few guys we have who could probably handle a full season's worth of starts. 

I'll guess that unless he completely dominates spring training, they'll keep him down to start the season and bring him up for a spot start or two over the first few weeks before permanently putting him in the rotation. 

I think they'll give Hall every opportunity to start, but they may keep him on a strict limit early on, leading to some short starts, where one of our other starter/multi-inning guys can come in. Ashby may be the same way, but he also may need some IL time before he even sees the MLB field, so he's a question mark until he gets on the field. 

Ross has had tons of injuries and has never pitched over 108 innings (which was in '21 when he got his last injury that has kept him out since). 

There's just way too many ways things could go, but these things tend to sort themselves out over the month+ of spring training. 

It’s the Brewers; if he makes the team for Opening Day, they’ll break Gasser in as a spot starter/ multi-inning reliever this year, and have him move to the rotation full time in ‘25. That’s how they managed the early years of Peralta, Burnes, Ashby, Woodruff. 
 

If he doesn’t make the team, it can only mean the Brewers have 6-7 guys they like more for the rotation/multi-inning reliever which would be a good thing .

[KeithStone53151]

16 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

How is being arguably the best pitcher in the international league not "beating on the door" for Gasser? Rodriguez, I'll give you. But Gasser is 24 going on 25 and ready for a starting spot. 

3.79 ERA, 1.278 WHIP...those aren't "beating on the door" numbers. I recognize his good k rate and that his bb rate improved in the second half. I'll also add, the second half improvement helps his case a lot. I'd feel a lot better going into the season if we had one more established arm, and Gasser was basically competing with Junis/Rea/Hall/Ashby's health...for the last 2 spots. Gasser opening in AAA temporarily wouldn't be the end of the world if he didn't win the competition with those other 3 guys, and frankly him not beating out those guys would say a lot anyways. As is, we kinda need those guys to fill 3 spots and that's a very optimistic outlook.