2024 Brewers Rotation

[wiguy94]

Just now, KeithStone53151 said:

Fair point, but 4 is about all we get on average from starters not named Freddie. I don't think there's a wrong decision between letting him throw once more in AAA or calling him up now.

Rea and Ross both average 5 IP a start, so that's not quite accurate.  It's pretty risky bringing a guy whose stretched for 4 innings and 50 pitches up for an MLB start. 1 bad inning and you might get a 2 inning start from him.

[KeithStone53151]

15 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Rea and Ross both average 5 IP a start, so that's not quite accurate.  It's pretty risky bringing a guy whose stretched for 4 innings and 50 pitches up for an MLB start. 1 bad inning and you might get a 2 inning start from him.

The Brewers starters on the season have average 4.5, so it's probably pretty close. He'd be about to throw probably 60-65. The problem as you said if he has a bad inning.

[Playing Catch]

4 hours ago, KeithStone53151 said:

I mean...can't get any worse right?

Since last Wednesday...

SP- Wilson 3.2IP. Brewers 0 runs allowed

SP- Peralta 6.0IP. Brewers 1 run allowed

SP- Hall 3.2 IP. Brewers 5 runs allowed

SP- Rea 5.0 IP. Brewers 0 runs allowed

SP- Ross 5.1 IP Brewers 4 runs allowed

SP- Myers 5.0 IP. Brewers 2 runs allowed

SP- Wilson 4.1 IP. Brewers 2 runs allowed

 

I don't see any reason to rush Gasser.

[Oxy]

For the first 35 years of my life, the "normal" was bad Brewer pitching all around with an occasional outlier who was above average.  For the last 5 or 6 years the "normal" is above average pitching all around including multiple examples of excellence (Cy Young/multiple reliever of the Years) and rarely even below average production.

I like the latter.

[sveumrules]

With seven shutout innings from Civale last night the Brewers post-ASB rotation has a 78 ERA- (tied with HOU for best in MLB) and 4.2 rWAR (3rd).

On the season as a whole they are at a 94 ERA- (8th) and 10.6 rWAR (13th), just fractions behind DET (10.8 rWAR) for the last spot in the Top Ten.

The BAL rotation fronted by Corbin Burnes has a 98 ERA- and 10.0 rWAR.

[Underachiever]

1 hour ago, sveumrules said:

With seven shutout innings from Civale last night the Brewers post-ASB rotation has a 78 ERA- (tied with HOU for best in MLB) and 4.2 rWAR (3rd).

On the season as a whole they are at a 94 ERA- (8th) and 10.6 rWAR (13th), just fractions behind DET (10.8 rWAR) for the last spot in the Top Ten.

The BAL rotation fronted by Corbin Burnes has a 98 ERA- and 10.0 rWAR.

I imagine they go hand in hand with the stats you laid out, but it seems to me that while it's a lousy-looking ERA, the Brewer pitchers who go 5 innings and give up 3-4 runs at least keep the games in reach. Is there a standard for "blow up" starts, where a starter gives up 5, 6, 7 runs and essentially loses the game? Think Birdsong giving up 5 in 3.2 yesterday. The game wasn't over, but with the Brewers bullpen, it kind of was!  I think the Brewers have had very few of those.

Drop everything, sveumrules!

[Soupy]

So who do we see as the top 7 or 8 for next years rotation? Seems like lots of our guys pitching themselves into the conversation. 

[ClosetBrewerFan]

Woodruff, Freddy, Rea, DL Hall, Myers, Misio, Logan Henderson, C-Rod with Gasser possibly later in the season .  Lots of question marks there but decent upside with the kids.  They will probably sign a middling FA SP as well (maybe Miley returns?).

[Soupy]

Miley maybe but gonna be a prove it contract. Just thinking how we always seem to go thru a bunch of starters. Yet we seem to have quite a few ready to go next year. Montas or Civale options picked up?

[ClosetBrewerFan]

31 minutes ago, Soupy said:

Miley maybe but gonna be a prove it contract. Just thinking how we always seem to go thru a bunch of starters. Yet we seem to have quite a few ready to go next year. Montas or Civale options picked up?

Montas has a $20M mutual option. Zero chance that is agreed to.  I forogt to include Civale.  He has one more year of arby, probably around $6-7M.  I'd assume the Brewers would keep him.

 

[Soupy]

Right now it is looking like a pretty deep group. We all know how quickly that changes. 

[BrewCrewBlueDevil]

2025

1.) Peralta- #1 by default

2.) Civale- Foolish not to bring back

3.) Rea- Based on 2024 results

4.) Meyers- Based on 2024 results

5.) Hall- Too good of stuff to not have as #5

Ross- Too good of stuff not to bring back (swingman?)

Woodruff- Keep your fingers crossed

Miley- Keep your fingers crossed

Gasser- Keep your fingers crossed

Misoraski- Starts in AAA or bullpen

C-Rod- Starts in AAA

Henderson- Starts in AAA

[jay87shot]

I've brought this up in the past but what about a 4 man rotation that has a piggyback. Basically 8 starters that combine to go 7-8 innings limiting pitchers to 60-75 pitches.

1)Peralta-Hall

2)Rea-Ashby

3)Civale-Woody

4)Myers-Wlison/free agent vet/trade acquisition/Hudson

Bullpen- Megill, Hudson, Koenig, 2 of Mears, Yoho, Paredes, Bauk, Wilson Payamps, Hoby, Uribe, Peguero, vet/trade acquisitions (assuming a Devin trade)

Misi, Henderson, CarRod, eventually maybe Gasser, Wichrowski, Smith, Hunt, provide depth. If injuries hit it gets easy to pivot to a 5-6 man rotation. Each guy in theory goes 3-5 innings 40 times a year, rarely would a guy go through a lineup a 3rd time. It also allows some of the injured/young guys a way to build up innings. A 5 man bullpen would not get overworked especially if we have a couple solid taxi guys. I would assume the piggyback would usually go 7 innings, rarely 6, sometime 8, once in a while 9.

I get that our pen depth is a strength and this doesn't really help. In reality we should probably try and turn some quantity in a high end starter. Just a fun idea to think about.

[BrewCrew8675309]

On 9/1/2024 at 10:01 AM, BrewCrewBlueDevil said:

2025

1.) Peralta- #1 by default

2.) Civale- Foolish not to bring back

3.) Rea- Based on 2024 results

4.) Meyers- Based on 2024 results

5.) Hall- Too good of stuff to not have as #5

Ross- Too good of stuff not to bring back (swingman?)

Woodruff- Keep your fingers crossed

Miley- Keep your fingers crossed

Gasser- Keep your fingers crossed

Misoraski- Starts in AAA or bullpen

C-Rod- Starts in AAA

Henderson- Starts in AAA

Ashby?? 

[ClosetBrewerFan]

Very complementary article on MLB rumors about the Brewers rotation. Though the writer failed to mention the defense and how key they are to the rotations success.

[Team Canada]

Civale with TB: 5.07; with Brewers: 3.84

Montas with Cinci: 5.01; with Brewers: 3.40

Give Hook a raise.

[CheezWizHed]

14 hours ago, Team Canada said:

Civale with TB: 5.07; with Brewers: 3.84

Montas with Cinci: 5.01; with Brewers: 3.40

Give Hook a raise.

With CC running south to the north side, I feared losing Hook more than losing CC...