Roster Overload

[jay87shot]

We have way too many players that are worthy of making the opening day roster. Obviously we can make more moves and there could be an injury or two. Also there are guys like Black, Gasser, Weimer, Perkins who could realistically go to AAA.

Offense: (16)

C:Contreras, Sanchez, Haase

IF: Hoskins, Bauers, Turang, Ortiz, Adames, Monesario, Black (borderline=Miller)

OF: Yelich, Frelick, Chourio, Mitchell, Weimer, Perkins

Pitching (17)

SP: Peralta, Miley, Rea, Junis, Hall, Ashby, Gasser, 

RP: Williams, Uribe, Payamps, Megill, Milner, Pegeuro, Wilson, Ross, Clarke, Viera

Any thoughts on what to do with the 7 extra roster worthy players? 

[wibadgers23]

My guess is they are shopping Mitchell around for a starting pitcher.

[wiguy94]

Haase DFA.

Black isn't on the 40-man.

Option whichever one of Frelick/Mitchell/Wiemer will play the least.

Gasser isn't on the 40-man.

Option Clarke.

Option Ashby.

DFA Vieira. 

Not that difficult. Depth is a good thing not a bad thing FYI.

[jay87shot]

AAA: Haase, Perkins, Gasser

Cut/trade: Clarke

Trade: Wilson, Adames, Ross

[liveforoctober]

What a wonderful problem.

[brewmann04]

sorry not trading any of those young OF yet

[liveforoctober]

31 minutes ago, brewmann04 said:

sorry not trading any of those young OF yet

I tend to agree with this. Unless we get an offer that is crazy .. we just don't know which one (outside of Chourio) is going to bloom yet. Their trade value is low ... I'm holding on all 3. 

Nothing wrong with giving Wiemer 200 at bats in AAA to start the year.

[long ball]

Most of position players at the fringe of the roster have options except Haase and Bauers. Arroyo too, but he's a NRI. The Brewers will likely try to preserve depth as much as possible. Something that got brought up in the Sanchez thread that I wasn't aware of was that Haase is on a split major/minor deal. He'd have to clear waivers to go to the minors, but a little less of a financial commitment if he ends up in AAA to start the year. 

The pitching staff has a little less flexibility than we've seen in past years, but there are enough guys with options to run the bullpen shuttle squad as needed. 

[MVP2110]

Yea depth is a good thing. Injuries will inevitably hit and we'll be glad we have capable replacements in the minors

[bigred]

On 2/7/2024 at 8:31 PM, wibadgers23 said:

My guess is they are shopping Mitchell around for a starting pitcher.

Or Wiemer? 🤷‍♂️

[MNBrew]

Some of the guys on that initial list are no sure things for the Opening Day roster.  Injuries and poor showings will definitely knock a couple guys off that list and, similarly, create opportunities for others.  The beauty here is that there's a lot of time including all of spring training for that to shake out.

[Ignitor 4ever]

I'm not sure why everyone thinks the Brewers would be shopping Mitchell.  He has actually shown the most at the MLB level of all 4 of the top prospects (Chourio, Mitchell, Wiemer & Frelick).  Sure, we all expect (including the organization) that Chourio is by far the best of the 4.  But after him, Mitchell has been the best.  Why trade him and keep fingers crossed that Wiemer and/or Frelick pan out?  If anything, at this point, I would think you could package Wiemer and Adames to try to get a starting pitcher, but even that comes with risk as Wiemer hasn't had much time yet.

I think the plan is to hang onto all 4 top OF prospects for now and let things work themselves out.  Chances are we are not going to hit on all 4.  If we do, what a wonderful problem to have.  They may have oversigned at catcher, but that isn't a bad problem.  And you can almost never have too much pitching.

[Jopal78]

6 minutes ago, Ignitor 4ever said:

I'm not sure why everyone thinks the Brewers would be shopping Mitchell.  He has actually shown the most at the MLB level of all 4 of the top prospects (Chourio, Mitchell, Wiemer & Frelick).  Sure, we all expect (including the organization) that Chourio is by far the best of the 4.  But after him, Mitchell has been the best.  Why trade him and keep fingers crossed that Wiemer and/or Frelick pan out?  If anything, at this point, I would think you could package Wiemer and Adames to try to get a starting pitcher, but even that comes with risk as Wiemer hasn't had much time yet.

I think the plan is to hang onto all 4 top OF prospects for now and let things work themselves out.  Chances are we are not going to hit on all 4.  If we do, what a wonderful problem to have.  They may have oversigned at catcher, but that isn't a bad problem.  And you can almost never have too much pitching.

Wouldn’t Garrett Mitchell have to stay healthy for a season before he has any real trade value? The most games he’s ever played in a season as a pro is 68.  
 

No team is going to trade much if anything for a player who so far has been injured most of the time as a pro. 

[wiguy94]

10 minutes ago, Ignitor 4ever said:

I'm not sure why everyone thinks the Brewers would be shopping Mitchell.  He has actually shown the most at the MLB level of all 4 of the top prospects (Chourio, Mitchell, Wiemer & Frelick).  Sure, we all expect (including the organization) that Chourio is by far the best of the 4.  But after him, Mitchell has been the best.  Why trade him and keep fingers crossed that Wiemer and/or Frelick pan out?  If anything, at this point, I would think you could package Wiemer and Adames to try to get a starting pitcher, but even that comes with risk as Wiemer hasn't had much time yet.

I think the plan is to hang onto all 4 top OF prospects for now and let things work themselves out.  Chances are we are not going to hit on all 4.  If we do, what a wonderful problem to have.  They may have oversigned at catcher, but that isn't a bad problem.  And you can almost never have too much pitching.

His surface numbers look great but the underlying numbers are extremely problematic and over larger samples show there are likely huge weaknesses that can be exposed. He has a K-rate of 38%, has overperformed his xwOBA by 70 points, has had injury issues his entire career. There are so many red flags with Mitchell that it's hard to take his surface numbers seriously in such a small sample.

[Playing Catch]

I think its kind of funny how often we get into disagreements about ranking our young OFers. I don't have a problem with it, by all means argue away. I just think that if we did a Brewerfan ranking of the 4 of them on current value and future value, we'd get really even numbers across the board. I think it's especially interesting because they are all sure-fire big league CFers.

I know I want to keep them just so that we can watch them all develop.

[Platoon Power]

6 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

His surface numbers look great but the underlying numbers are extremely problematic and over larger samples show there are likely huge weaknesses that can be exposed. He has a K-rate of 38%, has overperformed his xwOBA by 70 points, has had injury issues his entire career. There are so many red flags with Mitchell that it's hard to take his surface numbers seriously in such a small sample.

The big thing that benefits Mitchell is that he hasn't played much against professional pitching at any level.  His K rate dropped has from 41.2% to 35.6% the last 2 years so there's reason to expect that to continue to improve.  I think he can cut his K rate to around 30% where he could be a useful platoon partner with Wiemer.  

[JohnBriggs12]

Frelick, Mitchell and Wiemer all have options.  So does Chourio for that matter.  It's become fairly obvious that Chourio makes the opening day roster.  His contract and the fact that Taylor was traded early on the offseason signaled their intentions.  None of the Wiemer, Frelick or Mitchell did enough in 2023 to solidify a starting outfield job.  With DH job pretty much in the hands of whichever catcher isn't catching that day, Yelich is the everyday leftfielder again.  I think it's a certainty that one of the three from last year get optioned.  

[igor67]

I certainly wouldn't mind another starting pitcher for depth, but on the position player side we should expect injuries to both IFers and OFers. The roster looks a lot less cramped if you randomly put a couple of players on the DL. Things will get dicey if like last year seemingly all the OFers or IFers get hurt at the same time, but we should be able to handle a 4-6 week in jury for just about anyone without too big of a change in team outlook.

[liveforoctober]

17 minutes ago, JohnBriggs12 said:

Frelick, Mitchell and Wiemer all have options.  So does Chourio for that matter.  It's become fairly obvious that Chourio makes the opening day roster.  His contract and the fact that Taylor was traded early on the offseason signaled their intentions.  None of the Wiemer, Frelick or Mitchell did enough in 2023 to solidify a starting outfield job.  With DH job pretty much in the hands of whichever catcher isn't catching that day, Yelich is the everyday leftfielder again.  I think it's a certainty that one of the three from last year get optioned.  

Man I will be upset if Sanchez is DHing against a RHP when we can DH Yelich and get another LHB in the lineup while improving our OF defense.

[Outlander]

Based on everything the Brewers have said Yelich is the LF, sure he will DH on occassion but he isn't going to DH 75% of the time when they are facing a RHP. I also wouldn't expect Sanchez to be DH the majoirty of the time against RHP. There will be a number of players at DH and think it is good they won't have an every day DH like Winker last year.

[Thurston Fluff]

Yelich may not be the everyday DH but I still think he'll get more DH time than Sanchez. I agree with the idea that DH is going to be spread out. It's a good sign that we have enough legit offensive players that we might actually want to keep in the lineup. Sanchez is borderline at best in that group.

[Devinep]

On 2/9/2024 at 6:41 AM, bigred said:

Or Wiemer? 🤷‍♂️

Wiemer would be less likely to be dealt because without him, the OF is very lefty-heavy. If they didn’t dump Taylor, I could maybe see it.

 

[Devinep]

On 2/9/2024 at 12:22 PM, Playing Catch said:

I think its kind of funny how often we get into disagreements about ranking our young OFers. I don't have a problem with it, by all means argue away. I just think that if we did a Brewerfan ranking of the 4 of them on current value and future value, we'd get really even numbers across the board. I think it's especially interesting because they are all sure-fire big league CFers.

I know I want to keep them just so that we can watch them all develop.

All 4 being sure-fire CF just goes to show that keeping all 4 of them is a bit of a waste of resources. Only 1 can play CF at a time and 3 CF options is plenty. They’d be more valuable to a team with zero CF options. For example, Mitchell as the CF is SD is more valuable to them and Mitchell as a backup/platoon/mostly corner OF in Milwaukee 

[Jim French Stepstool]

Water under the bridge, but after acquiring Hoskins & looking at the other roster hopefuls it makes me a little sick that we have Jake Bauers & not Jace Avina in the organization.

[StearnsFTW]

12 hours ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

Water under the bridge, but after acquiring Hoskins & looking at the other roster hopefuls it makes me a little sick that we have Jake Bauers & not Jace Avina in the organization.

Agree 100%.  My least favorite Brewer trade since Daniel Norris.