2024 NFL Discussion Thread

[HarryDoyle]

So which teams would you say are definitively worse than the Cowboys? The Jaguars and the Giants? That's all I can think of.

[yourout]

1 hour ago, HarryDoyle said:

So which teams would you say are definitively worse than the Cowboys? The Jaguars and the Giants? That's all I can think of.

I mean that playoff game is only one game but it seems to have just completely shattered them.

[adambr2]

Aubrey just casually drilling a 64 yard FG in the 3rd quarter and having it pulled off the board because Houston committed a personal foul so now they can go for a TD.

[yourout]

Wow. That was the mother of all false starts not called.

[Fear The Chorizo]

Jets GM canned...and deservedly so.  Pick a pumpkin high in the draft and no matter what else you do to try and scramble to fix that position, that bad pick will eventually cost you your job.  Trading for Rodgers didn't quite pan out too well, either, lol.

 

Gute probably has a massive bowl of popcorn out enjoying that train wreck right now....

[igor67]

I mean everyone but the Jets could see it coming. And it has been bad enough this year that it is a tough sell it would have been any better last year without the injury. Now the extent to which everything has gone as comically bad as one might have predicted ahead of time that's been a little over the top but entertaining.

[tmwiese55]

3 minutes ago, igor67 said:

I mean everyone but the Jets could see it coming. And it has been bad enough this year that it is a tough sell it would have been any better last year without the injury. Now the extent to which everything has gone as comically bad as one might have predicted ahead of time that's been a little over the top but entertaining.

That was the dumbest thing to me the whole time from Rodgers pespective.  Say, he demanded a move to a good team that just needed a QB it would've made sense. Back then SF, maybe Den, maybe TB type teams.  Basically, do the same move Brady did.   But after all those spots had filled and your option was one of the 2-3 worst run teams in the NFL, what were you thinking to leave GB.

[igor67]

I mean the simple answer is he's just that convinced of his own greatness.

[OldHeidelberg]

Has anyone seen anything on if the overall int percentage is up sharply in the NFL this year? It's not just Love and Mahomes, seems like everyone is throwing a lot of them. Even Goff had 5 picks a couple of weeks ago. I can't seem to pin it down in google or find anything that says they are up but anecdotally it seems like we have them every other drive these days.

[CheezWizHed]

Rumors are swirling that the Jets owner wanted Rodgers benched prior to the London game against the Vikings. Saleh and the GM convinced him otherwise. 

Then Saleh was fired after losing that game without the GM's approval.  Now the GM was fired. 

So how long does Rodgers actually have with the Jets??  I can't imagine he will take to being benched very well. 

[duewizard]

31 minutes ago, CheezWizHed said:

Rumors are swirling that the Jets owner wanted Rodgers benched prior to the London game against the Vikings. Saleh and the GM convinced him otherwise. 

Then Saleh was fired after losing that game without the GM's approval.  Now the GM was fired. 

So how long does Rodgers actually have with the Jets??  I can't imagine he will take to being benched very well. 

Imagine if a 35 year old Tyrod Taylor outpeformed Rodgers

[JosephC]

If I were a Jets fan, I'd prefer keeping Rodgers (regardless of how washed up he is) and get rid of the owner.

Woody Johnson bought the team in January of 2000.  This is year #25 under him.  Regular season record of 171-227, a .430 winning percentage.  6 playoff appearances in 25 years, but none in the last 14 years.  Only 1 division title in those 25 years, that happened all the way back in 2002,  Incredible to think that almost all of those years (the last 23) they were in a 4-team division, and still can only manage 1 division title.  Last place finisher 9 times.  Last 8+ seasons = 44-98, a .310 winning percentage.  Somehow I just can't blame any of the 5 general managers, 8 head coaches or many quarterbacks they have had over the last 25 years as being the franchise's biggest problem.

[tmwiese55]

Yea the playoffs and ineptitude is there, but have to note they're in the same division as the Pats. So division titles are tough to come by the last 25 years.

Also, as much as I like watching Rodgers struggle and be mediocre unless there is some contract/financial reason or that they think its his crap attitude that is tricking down to the team he shouldn't be benched(based on just play).    He's at 17/7 so on pace to finish the year in the 25 td/10int world. I assume yards per play and that are very light though. Still, he's being the definition of mediocre, not like he's been awful. 

I think I saw something recently that next year he's down to 23 mil for that season. Again, based on pure gameplay alone you're probably best to keep him at that number.  If the attitude stuff, further contract demands, or that you just want a full on rebuild then sure.  But a mid level mediocre QB these days at 23 mil isn't bad.  I could've misread that info though as the NFL cap is so messed up. 

[CheezWizHed]

23 minutes ago, tmwiese55 said:

Yea the playoffs and ineptitude is there, but have to note they're in the same division as the Pats. So division titles are tough to come by the last 25 years.

Also, as much as I like watching Rodgers struggle and be mediocre unless there is some contract/financial reason or that they think its his crap attitude that is tricking down to the team he shouldn't be benched(based on just play).    He's at 17/7 so on pace to finish the year in the 25 td/10int world. I assume yards per play and that are very light though. Still, he's being the definition of mediocre, not like he's been awful. 

I think I saw something recently that next year he's down to 23 mil for that season. Again, based on pure gameplay alone you're probably best to keep him at that number.  If the attitude stuff, further contract demands, or that you just want a full on rebuild then sure.  But a mid level mediocre QB these days at 23 mil isn't bad.  I could've misread that info though as the NFL cap is so messed up. 

Yes, he has a $23M cap hit next year, but I can't imagine Aaron wanting to stick around in the midst of a NYJ rebuild.  They most likely need to cut Adams next year ($38M cap hit next year and they save about $30M if they cut him).

I doubt Aaron will even need to enter his quonset hut meditation chambers to retire or demand a trade/release.  

I'd be shocked if he was back next year at this point.  If the owner wanted him benched in week 5, I doubt he will take him back next year.

[BrewerFan]

On 11/19/2024 at 11:58 AM, Fear The Chorizo said:

Jets GM canned...and deservedly so.  Pick a pumpkin high in the draft and no matter what else you do to try and scramble to fix that position, that bad pick will eventually cost you your job.  Trading for Rodgers didn't quite pan out too well, either, lol.

 

Gute probably has a massive bowl of popcorn out enjoying that train wreck right now....

Who are we talking about here? About the only thing Douglas got right was the top of the draft.

The more I read about what's going on in NY, it just seems like the owner, Woody Johnson is too involved and then they just handed WAY too much power to Aaron Rodgers. 

The comments from Sauce Gardner about tackling shows immaturity and a lack of leadership. And when you have your HOF QB coming off an Achilles and he decides he doesn't need to be there for mandatory OTAs, it sets a bad tone. 

 

There is not a huge gap between the talent the Jets have and the talent the Buccs had when Brady went there. I'm developing a greater appreciation for how Brady actually wanted coaches to ride him and get on him when he made the mistake of sending a message nobody is above that...and I cannot imagine that's the same with Rodgers. 

 

That team is more than talented enough on paper to win. They NEVER should have let Saleh go. At this point, maybe they should be starting Fashanu at LT instead of moving him all over the place. Get him settled in. I'd consider benching Sauce. I don't know what you do with Rodgers. I guess maybe you do bench him. 

[BrewerFan]

On 11/20/2024 at 11:02 AM, tmwiese55 said:

Yea the playoffs and ineptitude is there, but have to note they're in the same division as the Pats. So division titles are tough to come by the last 25 years.

Also, as much as I like watching Rodgers struggle and be mediocre unless there is some contract/financial reason or that they think its his crap attitude that is tricking down to the team he shouldn't be benched(based on just play).    He's at 17/7 so on pace to finish the year in the 25 td/10int world. I assume yards per play and that are very light though. Still, he's being the definition of mediocre, not like he's been awful. 

I think I saw something recently that next year he's down to 23 mil for that season. Again, based on pure gameplay alone you're probably best to keep him at that number.  If the attitude stuff, further contract demands, or that you just want a full on rebuild then sure.  But a mid level mediocre QB these days at 23 mil isn't bad.  I could've misread that info though as the NFL cap is so messed up. 

The Jets problems aren't the cap. They are fine with regard to the Cap. 

The culture is just poisoned. I give you;

Quote

 

Interim head coach Jeff Ulbrich put together a presentation on the Jets' poor tackling to drive home the latest point of emphasis. Star cornerback Sauce Gardner believed it was unnecessary.

"We know how to tackle. We know how to tackle. We gotta make the tackles. That’s really it," Gardner told reporters on Thursday. "We've been doing it. We've been doing it.

"We really don’t need no presentation. I know where he’s coming from when he did it, but us as professional athletes, we gotta be able to make tackles, me included for sure.’

 

Watch the Jets play. It's just him holding the ball too long. It's similar to when he was in GB. He'd go through those periods where he'd hold the ball forever. There were times where he was actually better off when he had a gimpy left from a calf strain or a minor knee injury. The ball would come out quickly and they'd get in a rhythm. But then when he'd sit back there and try and scramble around, he was mobile enough that he could mostly make it work. He's lost a step or two. But that's the only area he's he's dropped off physically. He still makes ridiculous throws. It's like the grinch, except for his ego. When he came down to New York, he ego grew 3 sizes that day! And it wasn't small to begin with.

 

And yes, his cap hit is easy for them next year. I could see if this team got hot and finished really strong, they could restructure Adams deal since almost none of it is GTD, they could easily eat his cap hit...but is it better to try the same thing again next year and then eat the 35M cap hit in '26 or just take the whole cap hit next year?

Rodgers has said he wants to play another year and sure, based on his numbers, you'd say he should. They're even in position to draft in the top 10 this year, but as we're seeing with Fashanu, being a top 10 pick doesn't guarantee you're going to step right in and be an impact player year 1. 

 

They have talent at RB. 
Their OL across the board is very good and that's with their #11 overall pick filling in as the season goes. Everyone but Morgan Moses has a PFF grade of 70 or higher and Moses is ~66. They grade out better than the Packers Ol. 
They have talent at WR, TE...the defense was dominant. 

 

So...yeah, Rodgers numbers look good, but again, who else do you blame it on? I really wouldn't be shocked if they did try to run it back as they're kinda stuck with Rodgers, but unless you get a coach in there who the players respect and Rodgers humbles himself a bit, what's going to change?

[BrewerFan]

On 11/19/2024 at 12:56 PM, tmwiese55 said:

That was the dumbest thing to me the whole time from Rodgers pespective.  Say, he demanded a move to a good team that just needed a QB it would've made sense. Back then SF, maybe Den, maybe TB type teams.  Basically, do the same move Brady did.   But after all those spots had filled and your option was one of the 2-3 worst run teams in the NFL, what were you thinking to leave GB.

This history has been...revised a bit.

He came out and said he wanted a trade after it was leaked that the Packers were talking to the Jets while he was in the...darkness retreat that he wanted to go to the Jets.

The Packers were the ones who wanted to move on. They had little time left to see what they had in Love and a massive financial commitment to Rodgers that would have only gotten worse if they'd have kept him for another season and picked up his option.

 

In what little of a defense I can mount for Rodgers, he did want a trade to the Broncos at the time and I'm sure the other teams that called about him, the Rams pre-Stafford, the 49ers, again, the year before he was hurt, I think that's why he was talking about retiring. 

That's when Shefter got all that heat saying he made up those rumors...despite all of them playing out exactly as he said. 

[worm81]

2 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

This history has been...revised a bit.

He came out and said he wanted a trade after it was leaked that the Packers were talking to the Jets while he was in the...darkness retreat that he wanted to go to the Jets.

The Packers were the ones who wanted to move on. They had little time left to see what they had in Love and a massive financial commitment to Rodgers that would have only gotten worse if they'd have kept him for another season and picked up his option.

 

In what little of a defense I can mount for Rodgers, he did want a trade to the Broncos at the time and I'm sure the other teams that called about him, the Rams pre-Stafford, the 49ers, again, the year before he was hurt, I think that's why he was talking about retiring. 

That's when Shefter got all that heat saying he made up those rumors...despite all of them playing out exactly as he said. 

Wasn't his reason for missing the mandatory OTAs a personal trip to Egypt? Seems kind of funny seeing he had plenty of time to do that during the offseason at other times.

One random observation of this year:

What is with all of the WRs and DBs not using their mouthguards? I see them constantly bouncing around on the face masks during plays. I don't see how not wearing that would affect their play or need to be able to talk during the plays. 

[Fear The Chorizo]

3 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

Who are we talking about here? About the only thing Douglas got right was the top of the draft.

The more I read about what's going on in NY, it just seems like the owner, Woody Johnson is too involved and then they just handed WAY too much power to Aaron Rodgers. 

The comments from Sauce Gardner about tackling shows immaturity and a lack of leadership. And when you have your HOF QB coming off an Achilles and he decides he doesn't need to be there for mandatory OTAs, it sets a bad tone. 

 

There is not a huge gap between the talent the Jets have and the talent the Buccs had when Brady went there. I'm developing a greater appreciation for how Brady actually wanted coaches to ride him and get on him when he made the mistake of sending a message nobody is above that...and I cannot imagine that's the same with Rodgers. 

 

That team is more than talented enough on paper to win. They NEVER should have let Saleh go. At this point, maybe they should be starting Fashanu at LT instead of moving him all over the place. Get him settled in. I'd consider benching Sauce. I don't know what you do with Rodgers. I guess maybe you do bench him. 

Who are we talking about?  Zach Wilson, #2 overall pick in the draft a few years ago.  In retrospect, that draft year seems generally awful for quarterbacks now...but he still bungled that pick.

[tmwiese55]

13 hours ago, worm81 said:

Wasn't his reason for missing the mandatory OTAs a personal trip to Egypt? Seems kind of funny seeing he had plenty of time to do that during the offseason at other times.

One random observation of this year:

What is with all of the WRs and DBs not using their mouthguards? I see them constantly bouncing around on the face masks during plays. I don't see how not wearing that would affect their play or need to be able to talk during the plays. 

I've commented to friends on this too. To me there is no reason for it other than following a trend, looking cool or that you're too good for it, etc type stuff.   Its only a matter of time until someone gets all their teeth knocked out on live tv, at which point they'll have to legislate it by giving penalties or fines for not wearing them.  They should just crack down on it this offseason before its too late.

I remember I made a comment on this during the UW/USC game similar to what I just said. Maybe 8 plays later USC WR takes a shot in the mouth and has to leave the game, standing on the sideline with a towel stopping his lips from bleeding.  He was probably inches away from losing all his teeth. 

[Brian]

https://lombardiave.com/aaron-rodgers-may-have-played-his-final-snap-for-ny-jets

 

[HarryDoyle]

LOL Maybe that blocked field goal last week wasn't so miraculous after all.

[SeaBass]

Bears comeback to tie and force OT is insane.

[homer]

the last few min of Cowboys and Commanders has been nuts

 crazy slate of games so far.

[nate82]

7 minutes ago, SeaBass said:

Bears comeback to tie and force OT is insane.

Up 11 with only about 2 minutes left should be an automatic W.  Though the Vikings are going to win anyways.