2024-25 Offseason Ideas

[Redd Vencher]

4 minutes ago, nate82 said:

If the Dodgers sign Adames would that make Edman available from the Dodgers?  While he wouldn’t be the best 3B he wouldn’t be the worst defensively either.  Plus he could play other positions and will only cost about $10mm next year.  Not bad for a 1-year deal.

I don’t think it would cost all that much to get him from the Dodgers either.  Maybe a teams 15-20 ranked prospect and another lower level player probably someone from the DSL.

If Dodgers sign Adames, Edman is going to be their starting CF.

[nate82]

Just now, Redd Vencher said:

If Dodgers sign Adames, Edman is going to be their starting CF.

I think the Dodgers will want to get Pages more time in CF than put Edman there.

[Redd Vencher]

5 minutes ago, nate82 said:

I think the Dodgers will want to get Pages more time in CF than put Edman there.

Every report has Edman in CF if they get a SS.

[nate82]

6 minutes ago, Redd Vencher said:

Every report has Edman in CF if they get a SS.

I see no such reports.  Have a link?

[Scooterfletcher]

5 hours ago, Redd Vencher said:

Torres has earned himself a multiyear deal with his play the last month and a half that I want no part of. He's the up the middle Willy Adames bat replacement guy, and you live with his defense for a year on a pillow contract, which is no longer on the table barring his FA market failing to materialize.

 

A 3.5 WAR player avaliable on a 1 year deal would be ideal to the Brewers even if he doesn't have the power to replace Adames.

 

I proposed several 3B via trade before. I still think that's a good possibility for putting together the 2025 IF. My whole point was addressing Scooter's saltiness that not everyone is on board with giving Moncada and Polanco $10 M a piece. As for the rest, I don't think DeJong signs to be a backup after the season he had, and I don't think Urshela has the versatility you would want from the bench.

Redd, my saltiness is you lying saying I said “let’s give both 10m a year”.   A combined 10m at most is what I’d do.     Haha.   You’re hilarious.  

[markedman5]

Scratch one potential option 

 

[Devinep]

10 minutes ago, markedman5 said:

Scratch one potential option 

 

They would pick up the option even if they were planning on not bringing him back because he’s worth at least something in a trade 

[nate82]

1 hour ago, markedman5 said:

Scratch one potential option 

 

 

Scratch what exactly?  For the Brewers to sign him as a FA?  You do know that a team can still trade for him right?

[markedman5]

1 hour ago, nate82 said:

 

Scratch what exactly?  For the Brewers to sign him as a FA?  You do know that a team can still trade for him right?

Yes that’s what I meant……..and yes I’m aware that trades can be made……I don’t see it happening but yes it’s possible.

[Scooterfletcher]

37 minutes ago, markedman5 said:

Yes that’s what I meant……..and yes I’m aware that trades can be made……I don’t see it happening but yes it’s possible.

See Wong, Kolten

[jay87shot]

I have a feeling we are in for a sad offseason. The Rae move today makes me think we are going to cut salary especially with all the $ we owe in buyouts and some deferred money (not much). Hopefully we can fill a hole or 2 with the Devin trade and make it work.

[brewmann04]

It going to be curious to see what the crew plan is 

[Soupy]

We did the Brewers version of “going for it” last year. Sanchez, Junis and Hoskins. Now we are paying the price. Sad off-season coming indeed. 

[SF70]

56 minutes ago, Soupy said:

We did the Brewers version of “going for it” last year. Sanchez, Junis and Hoskins. Now we are paying the price. Sad off-season coming indeed. 

The team lowered payroll going into the ‘24 season over ‘23 as well and had a pretty good season.

If they lower payroll again because of a potential loss of half their local TV money I’ll understand and look forward to what our award-winning FO can do with less, like they did last year.

[TURBO]

14 hours ago, jay87shot said:

I have a feeling we are in for a sad offseason. The Rae move today makes me think we are going to cut salary especially with all the $ we owe in buyouts and some deferred money (not much). Hopefully we can fill a hole or 2 with the Devin trade and make it work.

I agree, I think we are truly going to see major cash savings, and will probably not be in on anyone in the free agent market.  The writing is on the wall, we are going to go young and cheap and hope it works out in 2025.

[Playing Catch]

21 hours ago, TURBO said:

we are going to go young and cheap and hope it works out in 2025

Shouldn't you post your Attanasio meme?*

Having a higher/lower payroll means almost NOTHING in terms of determining the competitive motivations of a franchise. This has been demonstrated over and over again across the baseball landscape.

Becoming a younger, more athletic team will result in a lower payroll. It's that simple.

Hypothetically, the Brewers could "cut payroll," by trading Hoskins for peanuts, filling the roster with players that cost half as much, and still be a better team on paper according to many here who accuse the team of being cheap.

*But seriously, and this isn't directed at you, Turbo, but I don't believe there is any evidence that this organization does anything on the cheap. In fact, if anything, it is the opposite. Attanasio has continued to invest in this organization in oodles of ways. This is NOT to suggest that they don't have financial parameters that they work with --- that is true in every commercial organization.

[jay87shot]

I don't/won't blame Mark if we are cheap this offseason and I don't blame the front office either they have used every avenue to put the best team out there every year and have a strong farm to maintain long-term success. I think it just is going to be a rough offseason as we really only need a piece or two in my opinion to put this team over the edge. We kind of made our big financial move for this offseason last year when we signed Rhys and the deferred a bunch of money to buyouts for Gary, Junis, and to a lesser extent Miley. 

It just stinks every year to see worse organizations like the Cubs go and recklessly spend on players 5/80 on a couple players and we aren't likely going to be able to go get one player on a multi year deal. Think how nice Kim from the Pads would be or a solid #2/3 starter like Nathan Eovaldi for us add. Odds are we are going to need to settle for a risk like Moncada or pitchers like Ross or Junis from last offseason who will have plenty of question marks. I am not advocating for us to be reckless, it would just be nice to be able to afford one nice player here or there when we need them.

 

[sveumrules]

1 minute ago, jay87shot said:

Think how nice Kim from the Pads would be

Kim could be an option depending on his medicals.

Might end up having to sign a one year deal to prove he’s fully healthy before hitting FA again for that big multi year contract after 2025.

[jay87shot]

2 hours ago, sveumrules said:

Kim could be an option depending on his medicals.

Might end up having to sign a one year deal to prove he’s fully healthy before hitting FA again for that big multi year contract after 2025.

I keep forgetting about Kim's injury, thanks.

[jay87shot]

The Guardians release James Karinchak today, he would be an ideal high upside cheap arm to add. Sixto Sanchez possible as well if his arm is still even attached to his body.

[umphrey]

I am hoping someone posts the payroll analysis, but with Rhys opting in and the TV deal, I was definitely expecting a cheap offseason. My wish list includes

1. Trade for a 3B, either from Devin Williams (top 100ish prospect) or trade away a 40 grade prospect for a stopgap
2. Devin Williams trade has to happen, hoping to pick up a top 100 prospect 
3. Sign a few bargain bin pitchers
4. Don’t salary dump anyone like Rhys
5. Kind of hoping they can bring back Gary Sanchez but probably unlikely 

[jay87shot]

1 hour ago, umphrey said:

I am hoping someone posts the payroll analysis, but with Rhys opting in and the TV deal, I was definitely expecting a cheap offseason. My wish list includes

1. Trade for a 3B, either from Devin Williams (top 100ish prospect) or trade away a 40 grade prospect for a stopgap
2. Devin Williams trade has to happen, hoping to pick up a top 100 prospect 
3. Sign a few bargain bin pitchers
4. Don’t salary dump anyone like Rhys
5. Kind of hoping they can bring back Gary Sanchez but probably unlikely 

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/milwaukee-brewers/payroll/_/year/2025

We are at around $110-115 million depending on arbitration deals. Last year the spotrac site had us at $115 total for the year. With the media rights uncertainty I would guess it will be hard to go over that $115 mark. So basically if we trade Devin his salary is about what we have to sign free agents assuming we don't take any salary back. We could always trade Civale or try and find a Hoskins taker if there is someone we would want to sign but that might be tricky.

 

[jay87shot]

It hasn't been brought up but what thoughts do we have on trading Freddy Peralta, he only has 2 years of control left at a reasonable rate. He has been more of a #3 starter the past 3 years but has the top of the rotation upside with his k rates and strong 2021 season. I would guess we would ask for a better package than what we got for Corbin based on the extra year of control and cost effective contract. My thought is that if we could get a young starter and a 3B/IF that it might be a sneaky good way to improve the roster especially if you have confidence in Myers, Woody, and Civale staying healthy and effective. Maybe we could even find a money bags team to take Rhys with Freddy and get a 1B option in the deal or a Devin trade. Sorry I am going to run with this idea.

1) Trade Freddy and Rhys to NYM for Brett Baty, Brandon Sproat, and Nick Morabito

If the Mets lose Alonso, Manaea, Severino, and Quintana this works well for them. They get a cheap starter to pair with Senga and probably a big FA addition and Rhy fills in the 1B/DH power hitter hole left by Alonso/Martinez. (I am sure he could find a way to get along with McNeil). We get a 3rd baseman and a high upside starter who isn't quite ready but has stuff that approaches Misi. Add in a toolsy upside prospect like Morabito for good measure

2)Trade Devin to Tex for Nate Lowe 

Texas was looking at potentially trading Lowe at the deadline, here we get 2 years of a more consistent 1B and Texas get a closer they need.

3) Sign a 1 year vet starter to replace Freddy and bridge the gap to Sproat, Misi, Henderson, and the other prospects. After reading mlbtraderumors top 50 FA's I kind of like Shinnosuke Ogasawara as a 1 year option better than the like of Buehler, Scherzer, Verlander, Bieber, etc.

That scenario improves 1B and 3B (hopefully) keeps the rotation solid and adds a couple young guys with out adding payroll. Thoughts

 

 

[wallus]

Normally in the ballpark with free agent contracts, MLB Trade Rumors posted their list: https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/11/2024-25-top-50-mlb-free-agents-with-predictions.html

Most notably to me, Kim at 1 year and 12 million would be a quick yes from me assuming his health is okay. I would probably want a 2nd year option in there if possible.

[wntrtxn21]

Would the Rangers take one year of Williams for two years of Lowe when they are both going to be making about the same money? It would be a heck of a deal for Milwaukee and certainly have to come before they considered moving Hoskins. Sproat is the Mets' top prospect, but he got rocked at AAA last year. Would he be of any help in 2025? Baty has failed too many times in the big leagues to consider him a lock at 3B. Milwaukee would have to sign a guy like DeJong just to have somebody if Baty failed yet again. Morabito is another young OF with no power. Peralta is a reliable starter with a very decent contract. Given the Brewers situation, he would leave a big hole if they traded him.