Brewers need to turn SP depth into a corner IF

[Mr Southpaw]

Bo Bichette has been brought up in national rumors.  https://reviewingthebrew.com/early-brewers-2025-trade-deadline-predictions-01jxb3venwne  Good 3B with 1/2 year left at 8.5 million.  Civale plus a couple prospects should get it done. Do it now and they can flip Civale.

Maybe Civale, Wichrowski, and Lara?

[Playing Catch]

I think that the Blue Jays are trying to win, and will keep Bichette.

Civale as a salary dump makes a lot of sense. Not insignificant.

[nate82]

40 minutes ago, Mr Southpaw said:

Bo Bichette has been brought up in national rumors.  https://reviewingthebrew.com/early-brewers-2025-trade-deadline-predictions-01jxb3venwne  Good 3B with 1/2 year left at 8.5 million.  Civale plus a couple prospects should get it done. Do it now and they can flip Civale.

Maybe Civale, Wichrowski, and Lara?

Not even close to being enough.  Why would the Jays take Civale if they are trading Bichette?  This makes no sense at all and the Jays are currently the #1 WC in the AL.  Why would they trade one of their better hitters for Civale and non top 100 prospects?

This trade just makes no sense at all for the Jays.

[Lloyd330]

16 hours ago, edfunderburk said:

I’m on board with this trade idea 

That's a horrible return for Peralta - Smith is now in his 3rd full season and hasn't proven anything besides being an average 3B at best - 

[patrickgpe]

I do believe Peralta will be traded either at the deadline if they are out of it or in the offseason. That being said, he is worth a decent return of young prospect or 2 with some potential. 

Civale on the other hand will probably get you a single A pitcher or 2 with some potential. 

[patrickgpe]

13 minutes ago, Lloyd330 said:

That's a horrible return for Peralta - Smith is now in his 3rd full season and hasn't proven anything besides being an average 3B at best - 

When i created this thread, my hope was to discuss players that would be rentals for our pitching depth. The Brewers have Pratt, Boeve, and Wilken to help at short and 3rd in the near future, but aren't there yet. I think they can get someone who can help in the short term.  Obviously if the brewers have a bad week against the cubs and cards and fall way behind, then there is no point to this exercise. 

[Jim French Stepstool]

2 hours ago, patrickgpe said:

When i created this thread, my hope was to discuss players that would be rentals for our pitching depth. The Brewers have Pratt, Boeve, and Wilken to help at short and 3rd in the near future, but aren't there yet. I think they can get someone who can help in the short term.  Obviously if the brewers have a bad week against the cubs and cards and fall way behind, then there is no point to this exercise. 

The problem is that any non-contender would want a starter with some control/youth on their side. They wouldn't want the Civales or the Quintanas. And I don't believe we have much stomach for dealing the others. It would have to be a deal w/a contending team that has an upgrade at SS/3B they'd be willing to let go. I don't know that there's such a match, and at SS I doubt they'd roll the dice there due to the defensive game Ortiz is giving them (and he IS starting to hit a little).

The better odds might be a LF type, and I have no idea who might be on that list.

[ghostdrew]

15 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

The problem is that any non-contender would want a starter with some control/youth on their side. They wouldn't want the Civales or the Quintanas. And I don't believe we have much stomach for dealing the others. It would have to be a deal w/a contending team that has an upgrade at SS/3B they'd be willing to let go. I don't know that there's such a match, and at SS I doubt they'd roll the dice there due to the defensive game Ortiz is giving them (and he IS starting to hit a little).

The better odds might be a LF type, and I have no idea who might be on that list.

Ok crazy thought in regards to the lf  question how about Duran from the red Sox what would it take 

[Jim French Stepstool]

8 hours ago, ghostdrew said:

Ok crazy thought in regards to the lf  question how about Duran from the red Sox what would it take 

Not a bad thought because the Sox could be looking for starting pitching & Duran has a team option for '26 so he might be available. Would certainly have to add a minor leaguer; it just depends on who. I think everyone we talk to in the weeks to come is gonna bring up Arienamo or one of the low-A infielders. And that would only happen if it involves someone we can control for awhile. It would come down to how excited they'd get about Civale or someone like Myers.

 

[wiguy94]

31 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

Not a bad thought because the Sox could be looking for starting pitching & Duran has a team option for '26 so he might be available. Would certainly have to add a minor leaguer; it just depends on who. I think everyone we talk to in the weeks to come is gonna bring up Arienamo or one of the low-A infielders. And that would only happen if it involves someone we can control for awhile. It would come down to how excited they'd get about Civale or someone like Myers.

Duran still has 3 more years of team control after this year. He would be very expensive to acquire. 

[Jim French Stepstool]

8 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Duran still has 3 more years of team control after this year. He would be very expensive to acquire. 

Thx, I thought I saw one year. Yeah, he'd be pricey then.

[wiguy94]

1 minute ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

Thx, I thought I saw one year. Yeah, he'd be pricey then.

He did sign a deal to avoid arbitration that has a club option for next year so that's what I'm guessing you saw. He just has Arb 3 and Arb 4 after the club option.

[Jopal78]

18 hours ago, patrickgpe said:

When i created this thread, my hope was to discuss players that would be rentals for our pitching depth. The Brewers have Pratt, Boeve, and Wilken to help at short and 3rd in the near future, but aren't there yet. I think they can get someone who can help in the short term.  Obviously if the brewers have a bad week against the cubs and cards and fall way behind, then there is no point to this exercise. 

I don’t understand your point? Is it your contention the Brewers should trade major league starting pitching (the most valuable commodity in the game) for rentals?  Or do you mean trade SP from their minor league system for rentals.

option one (major league starting pitching depth for rentals) just sounds dumb. Option 2 is plausible but as you say they’d probably have to view themselves as having a real shot at the playoffs to send away future talent for rentals

 

 

[Scooterfletcher]

We can see how this Cards and the following Cubs series goes, but if we don’t go above .500, the next six games, I almost feel this is the year to trade Peralta and see if we can still make the playoffs as a WC.   Trading Peralta won’t mean we can’t grab a WC spot.  Trade Civale and Quintana as well as Peralta and go with;

Miz, Henderson, Patrick, Ashby, Hall, CRod ans your rotation choices and see what happens in July/August/September.   Plus whatever MLB ready arm we might get via the aforementioned trades.  
 

It seems we should be above .500 anyway and maybe can grab a WC slot while setting us up incredibly well next year and beyond.   But if we go 5-1 or even 4-2 the next six games, I have a right to re evaluate my position here.

[liveforoctober]

3 hours ago, Scooterfletcher said:

Trade Civale and Quintana as well as Peralta...

Well, 1/3 of this request has been granted.

[patrickgpe]

8 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

I don’t understand your point? Is it your contention the Brewers should trade major league starting pitching (the most valuable commodity in the game) for rentals?  Or do you mean trade SP from their minor league system for rentals.

option one (major league starting pitching depth for rentals) just sounds dumb. Option 2 is plausible but as you say they’d probably have to view themselves as having a real shot at the playoffs to send away future talent for rentals

 

 

My point is exactly that, trade the bottom guys in the rotation for rentals. They have young guys close and they have young starters in triple a that are ready. The civale trade didn’t accomplish my goal, not that I was expecting it to.  Do you think the team wouldn’t be better off if they traded Quintana to make way for Henderson? Patrick is a different case because of how much control he has, you can’t trade a rental for him. 
demoting civale did decrease his value because it was in the brewers best interest to move him asap, I bet you that if civale pitches better or as well as he pitched here, the Sox will flip for better value than Vaughn 

[LouisEly]

On 6/12/2025 at 11:46 AM, patrickgpe said:

The Brewers have Pratt, Boeve, and Wilken to help at short and 3rd in the near future, but aren't there yet.

That's part of the challenge - they have top prospects who are a year to 1.5 years away.  You don't want to give up too much for a guy at those positions.  A short-term stopgap would be ideal but there just aren't any.

[patrickgpe]

1 hour ago, LouisEly said:

That's part of the challenge - they have top prospects who are a year to 1.5 years away.  You don't want to give up too much for a guy at those positions.  A short-term stopgap would be ideal but there just aren't any.

Exactly that was my point of this thread. I started this before the civale trade. If they traded Patrick the return has to be more than a rental. I think trading Quintana makes sense and then Henderson can have his spot. 

[BrewerFan]

On 6/10/2025 at 8:00 PM, patrickgpe said:

The point of my post was to saw we have starters rotting in nashville and left side infielders with negative WAR. Will you get an elite infielder for our depth, no, can you get a guy like when they got Jerry Hairston Jr, I think so. Just looking for a guy that can hit about 250, brewers have prospects almost ready, just need to bridge the gap. 

No we really don't. We have starters DEVELOPING in Nashville. Even Misiorowski. I wouldn't be shocked if he gets sent back down. 

They have a couple premium arms they're trying to bring along very carefully and they have some arms like Myers who they're trying to get back to last years level, but I'd hardly say they're "rotting."

 

Trading Patrick in a year may look like trading Myers...who is struggling this year. But as of now, it's trading a 26 year old rookie who's taking the ball every 5th day and is on pace to give you ~2.5+ WAR from the back of your pen. 

Henderson and Misi are probably capped in the MOST optimistic scenarios at around 150 innings this year. 

This is how the Brewers stay competitive. A pitcher who...if he put up this type of season would demand a 15M salary and we've got him for the next...potentially 5 years for what Civale cost this year. 

 

On 6/11/2025 at 5:51 AM, Frisbee Slider said:

 Ramon Urias of Baltimore?

Jonathan India is below replacement level this year but has some time at 3B

Will Gio Urshela (rehabbing soon) or Miguel Andujar (oblique injury) from Athletics? Luis Urias?

Everyone else is on contenders. Even the Royals are closer to wild card than Brewers.

Not saying anyone for Chad Patrick. Just finding available ML ready 3B.

 

Yoan Moncada, the guy many mentioned on here as a possible addition. He can play 2B/3B...gives you some versatility. 

But I think Ortiz and Durbin are coming around.  I'd rather keep the young pitching than watch Chad Patrick go Shane Smith on a bad LAA team. 

Eugenio Suárez is on an AZ team just clinging to .500 after losing Burnres for the year and they have a young superstar coming up to replace him. 

He wouldn't be cheap, but he's a slugging 3B you could slide into the lineup...perhaps Durbin gets some play at 2B vs tough lefties and likewise, Turang at SS vs tough righties or just to give Ortiz a break....though I thnink he's starting to have better ABs. 

[BrewLongma34]

Ryan O’Hearn from Baltimore?   He’s 31 years old but having a decent year.  Shouldn’t take too much to land him.  ? 

[ghostdrew]

1 hour ago, BrewLongma34 said:

Ryan O’Hearn from Baltimore?   He’s 31 years old but having a decent year.  Shouldn’t take too much to land him.  ? 

Where does he play on this team 1st and dh  are set 

[Scooterfletcher]

People mention Urias from Baltimore while acknowledging he will cost something we may not want to part with since he has 1.5 years control left.

Id honestly rather bring back “old friend” Luis Urias from Oakland.   Never thought he was that bad even at his worst (end of his brewer tenure).  Trade a guy or two we haven’t yet committed to adding to the 40 man in the fall for Luis rather than lose a guy or two in the rule 5 draft (Seth Smith vibes ) would be my plan.

[RWeeksFan23]

18 hours ago, Scooterfletcher said:

People mention Urias from Baltimore while acknowledging he will cost something we may not want to part with since he has 1.5 years control left.

Id honestly rather bring back “old friend” Luis Urias from Oakland.   Never thought he was that bad even at his worst (end of his brewer tenure).  Trade a guy or two we haven’t yet committed to adding to the 40 man in the fall for Luis rather than lose a guy or two in the rule 5 draft (Seth Smith vibes ) would be my plan.

Luis is too slow.

Brewers place a lot of emphasis on team speed.

[Lloyd330]

From MLB.com

Trade Candidates

Ryan McMahon, 3B, Rockies

The Rockies had hoped for McMahon to be part of their core when they turned things around, but Colorado appears to be far away from that point, making McMahon a potential trade chip. The 30-year-old has turned things around following a sluggish start, hitting seven homers with 16 RBIs and an .855 OPS in 37 games since May 7, while ranking in the top 10 percent of the league this season in average exit velocity, hard-hit percentage and walk percentage. A stellar defensive third baseman, McMahon is signed for $12 million in 2025 and $16 million in each of the next two seasons.

Potential fits: Brewers, Tigers, Twins, Yankees

 

I know McMahon has been mentioned here before - I just think its going to happen. 

 

His Road/home splits aren't good, but i can't tell if that is due to his extremely poor start -

Since May 1 

[Jopal78]

On 6/13/2025 at 3:35 PM, patrickgpe said:

My point is exactly that, trade the bottom guys in the rotation for rentals. They have young guys close and they have young starters in triple a that are ready. The civale trade didn’t accomplish my goal, not that I was expecting it to.  Do you think the team wouldn’t be better off if they traded Quintana to make way for Henderson? Patrick is a different case because of how much control he has, you can’t trade a rental for him. 
demoting civale did decrease his value because it was in the brewers best interest to move him asap, I bet you that if civale pitches better or as well as he pitched here, the Sox will flip for better value than Vaughn 

Trading major league assets for rentals, is essentially shuffling the deck with a hope to improve in the short run. Everything could click and the team could improve. Or, the rentals could flop ( happens all the time Chafin, Norris, Schoop etc.) or the young talent you’re banking on to fill in the gaps for the major leaguers traded away could also flop.

It just seems like it’s making moves for the sake of making moves. 
 

As for Civale’s value. Don’t forget the Brewera didn’t give up any value to get  Montas. So pitchers with pedestrian numbers are t all that valuable. With Vaughn they got a recent #3 overall pick who has hit 77 homers in the majors (averaging 20 HRs/162 games), with a year and a half of team control remaining and options. It’s a cruel world, but that’s probably what 12-15 starts from Civale is worth no matter what.