Jacob Misiorowski gets the call to the show!!!

[igor67]

Nolan really should donate his arm to science, that combination of power and durability only looks more exceptional as time goes on. At least in the past some could convince themselves that Walter Johnson might have always thrown with crazy velocity but I don't know if anyone really thinks he always brought Ryan's power all the time at this point.

[Brian]

The way things look Miz could be lined up to pitch next against the Mets, then the Dodgers, then the All Star break.  A little bit more of a test than the lowly Pirates. Hope he keeps it up. 

[adambr2]

The elephant in the room is that we need to cap Miz at maybe 130 innings this year. I don’t know what the plan is to do that, but I highly doubt they’re going to push him beyond that.

He won’t be available for the playoffs unless we should him down for awhile or move him to the pen.

[Brian]

3 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

The elephant in the room is that we need to cap Miz at maybe 130 innings this year. I don’t know what the plan is to do that, but I highly doubt they’re going to push him beyond that.

He won’t be available for the playoffs unless we should him down for awhile or move him to the pen.

????? You really think he can get to 130 innings in the next 3 months?????

[JollyCharlie]

MIZ -135 for NL ROY

[Team Canada]

1 hour ago, liveforoctober said:

Nolan Ryan threw 150 pitches at 100mph  every 120 hours for 26 years before his arm went.  Let's keep Miz around for a few years before we get scared of the what ifs please.

I agree, but also citing an outlier compared to the many of other pitchers who haven't been able to do that doesn't necessarily make a strong argument.

[Jopal78]

25 minutes ago, Brian said:

????? You really think he can get to 130 innings in the next 3 months?????

He’s already pitched 80 between the minors and majors. So hes likely got 8-10 more starts unless they move him to the pen.

[Brian]

47 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

He’s already pitched 80 between the minors and majors. So hes likely got 8-10 more starts unless they move him to the pen.

Your right about the innings but I don't see him being moved to the pen, were short starters and pen heavy now. 

[tmwiese55]

Just now, Brian said:

Your right about the innings but I don't see him being moved to the pen, were short starters and pen heavy. 

Woodruff is back soon and they have a pending decision on Cortes coming too.    There's a logjam coming unless some other injuries come in to take care of it.    Obviously Miz performance so far means he shouldn't lose his spot.  However, sending him down to limit his innings and essentially take a break for a bit could be in the cards.     I'd generally agree that I wouldn't expect a Pen move for him because they'd want to control and plan his workload more rather than the getting up and down multiple times a week.   

The concern right now is just making the playoffs or winning the division, but yea down the line there very well could be a Strasburg situation where they have to bench their best pitcher in Sept/Oct when the stakes are highest.

[Playing Catch]

Six-man rotation, multiple piggy-backs. That's how you limit his innings as a Starter. You turn him into an Opener.

[liveforoctober]

5 hours ago, Team Canada said:

I agree, but also citing an outlier compared to the many of other pitchers who haven't been able to do that doesn't necessarily make a strong argument.

Of course, but the original poster was saying we should trade Miz this off-season to maximize our return knowing he is going to get hurt someday in the future.

So I was just offering the other side of the spectrum and requesting we meet somewhere in the middle..

[Jim French Stepstool]

7 hours ago, igor67 said:

Nolan really should donate his arm to science, that combination of power and durability only looks more exceptional as time goes on. 

I once read an autobiography of Ryan, and recall reading an interview the day after he won his 300th game, which was in Milwaukee. The reporter caught up to him at one of the local health clubs. The guy was amazed at the intensity of Ryans' workout, considering his age & how this was the day after he pitched. He was incredibly dedicated to keeping his body tuned, especially his legs. He was one of those people that came from a high work ethic atmosphere, and combined with his natural ability was able to be a power arm into his mid-forties.

[HarveysWBs]

9 hours ago, OldHeidelberg said:

I read a couple of posts about this in the game thread yesterday, my first thought was sure, but the climb will get steeper.  He probably will get hurt but in this spin rate era is it really that unheard of anymore for a guy to keep doing that? He is a very tall guy. If anyone has the list off the all time 101 pitches please post it, I would think deGrom for one might be up there and he made it a while before getting hurt. 

@markedman5 had the list above, and it is equally stunning and troubling. The 2nd most pitches were by deGrom, who has 50. Miz has 18 already, good for 7th all-time. At this pace, he’ll be halfway to 2nd after his next start, meaning the  rate at which he is going is practically unprecedented. We’d all be thrilled with a deGrom outcome, obviously, but he tore his UCL during his first year in the minors, came back and was a stud for the next decade, and then needed another Tommy John in 2023. That feels like the absolute ceiling for Miz, but that elbow has to be the world’s most high-stakes game of Jack-in-the-box at this point.

Considering the Brewers don’t offer stud pitchers second contracts under normal circumstances (Peralta and Ashby got deals before they really showed their true form, Woody got a make-good deal after injury), plus the real possibility of finishing ROY taking away a year of team control, and it just seems like the value clock is racing almost as fast as he climbs that chart of most pitches over 101.

To be clear, I hate having to think like this. I wish we could play the game like the Dodgers, using the IL to stash injured superstar arms left and right while we bide time to get them back for another pennant run, but we can’t operate that way. The team needs to maximize value, and I suspect the most likely way to do that is to trade him before injury and while he has the most number of cost-controlled years. I’m equally convinced that that will never happen in a million years, so I’m left with just hoping he beats the odds. I’m over the moon at how he’s started, after all that’s said and done. He will struggle at some point, of course, but he could be as good as it gets, and having him wear the Brewers uniform for several years is still a dream come true.

[Samurai Bucky]

8 hours ago, igor67 said:

Nolan really should donate his arm to science, that combination of power and durability only looks more exceptional as time goes on. At least in the past some could convince themselves that Walter Johnson might have always thrown with crazy velocity but I don't know if anyone really thinks he always brought Ryan's power all the time at this point.

You do understand he was / is a cyborg, right?  😉  He had a special knack for punchin' dowgies (I mean Robin Ventura).

[OldHeidelberg]

18 hours ago, HarveysWBs said:

@markedman5 had the list above, and it is equally stunning and troubling. The 2nd most pitches were by deGrom, who has 50. Miz has 18 already, good for 7th all-time. At this pace, he’ll be halfway to 2nd after his next start, meaning the  rate at which he is going is practically unprecedented. We’d all be thrilled with a deGrom outcome, obviously, but he tore his UCL during his first year in the minors, came back and was a stud for the next decade, and then needed another Tommy John in 2023. That feels like the absolute ceiling for Miz, but that elbow has to be the world’s most high-stakes game of Jack-in-the-box at this point.

Considering the Brewers don’t offer stud pitchers second contracts under normal circumstances (Peralta and Ashby got deals before they really showed their true form, Woody got a make-good deal after injury), plus the real possibility of finishing ROY taking away a year of team control, and it just seems like the value clock is racing almost as fast as he climbs that chart of most pitches over 101.

To be clear, I hate having to think like this. I wish we could play the game like the Dodgers, using the IL to stash injured superstar arms left and right while we bide time to get them back for another pennant run, but we can’t operate that way. The team needs to maximize value, and I suspect the most likely way to do that is to trade him before injury and while he has the most number of cost-controlled years. I’m equally convinced that that will never happen in a million years, so I’m left with just hoping he beats the odds. I’m over the moon at how he’s started, after all that’s said and done. He will struggle at some point, of course, but he could be as good as it gets, and having him wear the Brewers uniform for several years is still a dream come true.

Thanks, for some reason I assumed his place on the all time list thing just got discovered on Wednesday so didn't look back further in the thread. It really is crazy how many he is throwing but at least Hunter Greene is another young phenom so maybe they are the first couple of a whole bunch of young starters throwing 101+. I totally get what you are saying, but I am just going to tell myself Jacob is a freak and will never have a serious injury. 🙂