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I love the deal, I’m glad they did it, and I certainly understand it. It’s exciting 

I think it turning out to be a total Russ Wilson catastrophe are about as good of it resulting in a Super Bowl win, though. I do understand the risk.

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Forgot about this:

 

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Almost exactly seven years ago, Gutekunst tried to trade for Khalil Mack but was barely outbid by the Bears. In fact, Murphy said the Packers made the same offer as the Bears, but the Raiders took Chicago's proposal because they thought the draft picks -- a pair of first-rounders, a third and sixth -- would be higher within each round.

 

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1 hour ago, 82brewcrew82 said:

This is huge

NFL Network said this is as big as when Packers got Reggie White. 

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47 minutes ago, Joseph Zarr said:

I mean the Reggie comparisons are very legit. AND, we get Micah at Age 26 to Reggie's Age 32. Only two players in NFL history to record 12 + sacks in their first two seasons. Dallas D, by EPA, were the best Defense in the NFL with Parsons on it. Bottom 5 with him off the field. I mean...giving Hafley this level of weapon is unbelievably exciting. I. Can. Not. Believe this just happened. 

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It's closer to Mack than Reggie. But the Packers are better than the Bears were when it happened.

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I still don't put it on the same level as the Reggie White signing. White was a free agent, they didn't lose two 1st round picks and an important player. They just got him for the contract free and clear. Plus Reggie picking Green Bay was something nearly nobody expected to ever happen.

Parsons might end up being on Reggie's level or better when it's all said and done though. There's definitely risk with this move but you gotta think 99% of outside observers make this trade if they could.

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7 minutes ago, SeaBass said:

I still don't put it on the same level as the Reggie White signing. White was a free agent, they didn't lose two 1st round picks and an important player. They just got him for the contract free and clear. Plus Reggie picking Green Bay was something nearly nobody expected to ever happen.

Parsons might end up being on Reggie's level or better when it's all said and done though. There's definitely risk with this move but you gotta think 99% of outside observers make this trade if they could.

Yes he "Parsons" is only 26. 

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Reggie also changed the whole narrative of Lambeau being a Podunk igloo every FA laughed at. Reggie reversed 30 years of awful. Parsons could be just as talented, but Reggie did something special.

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14 minutes ago, rickh150 said:

Who do we have at defensive tackle.

That is the scary part of this.  No matter if Clark was aging, he was still our best NT.  Depth was already a concern with our rookie NTs moving backwards often in pre-season against backups.  As of now, we have Wooden starting at NT and Brinson/Stackhouse as his backups.  

Stopping the run could be an adventure... but clearly a great move.  No one is going to want to pass the ball against us this year. 

"Rock, sometime, when the team is up against it, and the breaks are beating the boys, tell 'em to go out there with all they got and win just one for the Uecker. I don't know where I'll be then, Rock but I'll know about it; and I'll be happy."

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3 minutes ago, wallus said:

Reggie was dominant at times for the Packers. I like Parsons but I highly doubt he will have that impact.

Legend.

 

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1 hour ago, SeaBass said:

I still don't put it on the same level as the Reggie White signing. White was a free agent, they didn't lose two 1st round picks and an important player. They just got him for the contract free and clear. Plus Reggie picking Green Bay was something nearly nobody expected to ever happen.

Parsons might end up being on Reggie's level or better when it's all said and done though. There's definitely risk with this move but you gotta think 99% of outside observers make this trade if they could.

Giving up two 1sts and Clark just to be able to have the privilege to pay QB money to Parsons is indeed an enormous price and investment. 

I'm not saying they shouldn’t have. I’m just saying it’s a deal that could look really, really bad in a few years. Or the deal that won them a Super Bowl. We will see.

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30 minutes ago, wallus said:

Reggie was dominant at times for the Packers. I like Parsons but I highly doubt he will have that impact.

Yeah, Reggie got us to two Super Bowls, anchored defenses that ranked 4th, 4th, 1st, and 5th in points allowed over a four year stretch, and capped it off with a DPOY (plus all the intangibles).

Gonna be hard for anyone to match that impact but if Parsons can help get the Pack back to the SB that’d be a good start.

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18 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

Yeah, Reggie got us to two Super Bowls, anchored defenses that ranked 4th, 4th, 1st, and 5th in points allowed over a four year stretch, and capped it off with a DPOY (plus all the intangibles).

Gonna be hard for anyone to match that impact but if Parsons can help get the Pack back to the SB that’d be a good start.

I would add that he put GB on the FA map and instantly became a leader in the clubhouse that needed someone to set the tone. 

"Rock, sometime, when the team is up against it, and the breaks are beating the boys, tell 'em to go out there with all they got and win just one for the Uecker. I don't know where I'll be then, Rock but I'll know about it; and I'll be happy."

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Instant bad take on the trade: 

So I guess GB is going to have a 2-year run of not drafting a WR in the first round come 2027... 

"Rock, sometime, when the team is up against it, and the breaks are beating the boys, tell 'em to go out there with all they got and win just one for the Uecker. I don't know where I'll be then, Rock but I'll know about it; and I'll be happy."

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2 hours ago, adambr2 said:

Giving up two 1sts and Clark just to be able to have the privilege to pay QB money to Parsons is indeed an enormous price and investment. 

I'm not saying they shouldn’t have. I’m just saying it’s a deal that could look really, really bad in a few years. Or the deal that won them a Super Bowl. We will see.

You're not wrong, we've seen it already, albeit with a going on 40 year old Aaron Rodgers 4 plays into a new season, but injuries can hit any player at any time and completely wreck their season or career. That's the worry for me rather than performance. But you can't really make moves at this level and be scared off by the possibility of a freak injury. I like the boldness.

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4 hours ago, SeaBass said:

I still don't put it on the same level as the Reggie White signing. White was a free agent, they didn't lose two 1st round picks and an important player. They just got him for the contract free and clear. Plus Reggie picking Green Bay was something nearly nobody expected to ever happen.

Parsons might end up being on Reggie's level or better when it's all said and done though. There's definitely risk with this move but you gotta think 99% of outside observers make this trade if they could.

No, I LOVE this trade, but Reggie was... different. I get Parson's gets LT comps and... they're not crazy, but I think Reggie was a better player. He was definitely a better player vs the run(at least as a 43 DE).

He also did all the things you said. He changed the way the Packers are viewed and they've been different ever since. 

There are still risks and there's downside. The Cap is also getting so big that... I don't think the risk that this is going to be a crippling cap hit is THAT big. 

 

One question I have. I've seen this repeatedly reported as an extension. If that's the case, it's 5 years ~209.3M. 

That'd make it better for the Packers. I mean, I'm happy either way, but that'd be a big difference. 

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3 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

Instant bad take on the trade: 

So I guess GB is going to have a 2-year run of not drafting a WR in the first round come 2027... 

Wrong. Tag Walker, trade him, 2 1sts in return, one from... Seattle and in 2027 they're going to be terrible and we take Jeremiah Smith in the top 5. 

I think that's a pretty clear option you're overlooking...

 

But I really meant to post this. The Jones are trying SOOO hard to make it sound like Clark is going to make them better overall is kinda funny.

 

"Things are good here....things are good here...I want to be clear on that."

 

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10 hours ago, adambr2 said:

Giving up two 1sts and Clark just to be able to have the privilege to pay QB money to Parsons is indeed an enormous price and investment. 

I'm not saying they shouldn’t have. I’m just saying it’s a deal that could look really, really bad in a few years. Or the deal that won them a Super Bowl. We will see.

It's a big swing for the fences for this season for sure but they did just remove a big salary guy from the D in Jaire. So there was a little room to add salary on that side of the ball. It's going to cost us some players lost in FA this next offseason but the cap grows so fast I am not too worried about the salary impact at this point. The bigger risk to me is if the wheels come off and one or both of those picks become top 10. But that doesn't seem too likely right now. At least we didn't give up other picks.

 

I did see a reporter on NFL network last night who said what she was hearing was that some in the Cowboys org had concerns with Micah's work ethic.  Probably just something they are putting out there to smooth this over with the fans though.

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It's a big but necessary risk. Gute knows the window is open right now. He'd be out of a job if they lost in the first round of the playoffs the next two years.

"Dustin Pedroia doesn't have the strength or bat speed to hit major-league pitching consistently, and he has no power......He probably has a future as a backup infielder if he can stop rolling over to third base and shortstop." Keith Law, 2006

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