Chourio's Return

[wiguy94]

8 minutes ago, BrewLongma34 said:

It’s amazing how Chourio brightens up a lineup!  

Yeah you get Chourio in that lineup and it's 7 deep with above average MLB hitters and Durbin/Seigler aren't slouches hitting 8th. Ortiz is kind of the classic old school SS. Amazing glove but can't hit this year. 

[pitchleague]

Ortiz is like the Jim Gantner (well, sorta).  Meh hitter but a really good glove

[wibadgers23]

Once Chourio returns, I would not be opposed to putting Frelick on the IL to get his knee right, especially if we are still playing well and have the division pretty much wrapped up.

[jay87shot]

6 minutes ago, wibadgers23 said:

Once Chourio returns, I would not be opposed to putting Frelick on the IL to get his knee right, especially if we are still playing well and have the division pretty much wrapped up.

I think the nice thing with the current lead and September roster expansion is that you can just give Sal a day of here or there especially around a day of and hopefully that is enough. Same for some of the overworked guys like Ortiz, Contreras, Yeli, etc., it's not the end of the world to have them rest a few games down the stretch with Perkins, Seigler, and Jansen around. 

[bm1090]

5 hours ago, wiguy94 said:

Yeah you get Chourio in that lineup and it's 7 deep with above average MLB hitters and Durbin/Seigler aren't slouches hitting 8th. Ortiz is kind of the classic old school SS. Amazing glove but can't hit this year. 

And even Ortiz is slashing .263/.311./424 since June 6th

[BrewerFan]

16 hours ago, sveumrules said:

Easy answer (besides the team has access to more information than we do) is that Sal has already graded out as a Top Three RF with his +27 DRS | +17 FRV since 2023 trailing only Wilyer Abreu (+30 DRS | +18 FRV) and Tatis Jr. (+47 DRS | +27 FRV), so just keep him there.

Neither Sal (427 innings of +2 DRS | +2 FRV) nor Jackson (654 innings of -1 DRS | +3 FRV) has much of a sample in CF, but our best OF alignment long term likely features Jackson in CF so might as well give him some experience to see what he's got out there.

Wait a second, the MOST data driven guy here and your arguments are that this is an "easy answer," because;

-Frelick is really good in RF
-Neither Frelick, nor Chourio have much time in CF... but in the sample size we do have, Frelick IS the better defender according to the metrics, but the best long term alignment long term is Jackson in CF...so might as well give him time there? I'm not entirely sure why we're concluding the best long term alignment is with Chourio out there when we certainly can't do so now, but...alright. 

[sveumrules]

46 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

-Neither Frelick, nor Chourio have much time in CF... but in the sample size we do have, Frelick IS the better defender according to the metrics, but the best long term alignment long term is Jackson in CF...so might as well give him time there? I'm not entirely sure why we're concluding the best long term alignment is with Chourio out there when we certainly can't do so now, but...alright. 

In the sample we do have for CF one metric prefers Frelick, and the other prefers Chourio, both by negligible amounts. I don't believe the sample size & difference in results are large enough to declare that one or the other IS the better CF defender as of yet.

I haven't arrived at any conclusions. I'm saying between Sal already performing as a Top Three RF over a sizable sample, Collins being an out of nowhere ROY candidate who has graded out really well in LF, Perkins as the established best defender but worst hitter of the bunch, and Mitchell's inability to stay healthy, that Chourio in CF is likely the best long term alignment.

Only way to find out and draw some conclusions is to see how Jackson looks out there, which the Brewers were doing after Mitchell went down for the season and before Chourio tickled his hammy.

Also kind of interesting that to start the year Sal was the one backing up CF for seven of the first 28 games while Chourio bounced between corners, but once Garrett got injured they pivoted to Jackson as the everyday CF. Maybe there are some interviews with Arnold/Murphy from around that time that shed more light on the organization's reasoning behind that decision?

[Brian]

4 hours ago, sveumrules said:

In the sample we do have for CF one metric prefers Frelick, and the other prefers Chourio, both by negligible amounts. I don't believe the sample size & difference in results are large enough to declare that one or the other IS the better CF defender as of yet.

I haven't arrived at any conclusions. I'm saying between Sal already performing as a Top Three RF over a sizable sample, Collins being an out of nowhere ROY candidate who has graded out really well in LF, Perkins as the established best defender but worst hitter of the bunch, and Mitchell's inability to stay healthy, that Chourio in CF is likely the best long term alignment.

Only way to find out and draw some conclusions is to see how Jackson looks out there, which the Brewers were doing after Mitchell went down for the season and before Chourio tickled his hammy.

Also kind of interesting that to start the year Sal was the one backing up CF for seven of the first 28 games while Chourio bounced between corners, but once Garrett got injured they pivoted to Jackson as the everyday CF. Maybe there are some interviews with Arnold/Murphy from around that time that shed more light on the organization's reasoning behind that decision?

I agree 100% with Chourio in center, that's where the best fit for Jackson is.  I think he is a sub par defender in the corners where the ball hooks more and he has trouble with. 

[sveumrules]

Was messing around on the FanGraphs age 20-21 leaderboards and found a pretty interesting statistical comp for what Jackson has done so far...

Chourio (1,045 PA | 6.7 WAR)
70 BB+ | 93 K+ | 112 AVG+ | 124 ISO+

??????? (1,175 PA | 7.1 WAR)
70 BB+ | 84 K+ | 111 AVG+ | 131 ISO+

??????? = Henry Aaron age 20-21.

[JohnBriggs12]

Get Chourio up now.  The AB's at AAA are to get his timing down, but they are getting nothing offensively from Perkins right now and while Lockbridge has gotten some hits, he brings no power to the table.  

Even a Chourio who's a little off is still a threat and can put some fear in the opposition.

[markedman5]

1 hour ago, JohnBriggs12 said:

Get Chourio up now.  The AB's at AAA are to get his timing down, but they are getting nothing offensively from Perkins right now and while Lockbridge has gotten some hits, he brings no power to the table.  

Even a Chourio who's a little off is still a threat and can put some fear in the opposition.

Relax