Game 3: Packers @ Browns - Sunday, Sept 21 12:00 PM

[OldHeidelberg]

1 minute ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

I mean no it doesn't. Two wins against likely NFC playoff field that you will be jockeying with for seeds, one in your division. As embarrassing as this was, it's the ideal game to blow if you're going to blow one. 

It was in the bag though. Just a completely pathetic finish. Was there a Packer fan on earth who didn't see that FG getting blocked?

I was pretty sure  he was going to miss it after the Walker false start. 

[wOOgiE22]

This team needed a wake up call after reading their own press clippings. Hopefully this is it. You can’t underestimate any team in the NFL

[HarryDoyle]

It wasn't the finish of the game, it was the entire game. This is by far the most shameful performance from a Packers team I have ever seen, and it's not particularly close. And I've lived through the Bart Starr, Forrest Gregg, Lindy Infante eras of Packers football. Absolutely pathetic!

[OldSchoolSnapper]

4 minutes ago, Sixtolezcano said:

Thank you Jordan love. Maybe a large fine should be forthcoming.

I turned it off. Something happen?

[Joseph Zarr]

So, a team can spot their ball over a yard back from the actual downed runner. Ref doesn't have to spot it correctly. Can just tap the ball and run away? All is well.

The incredible amount of nascent inconsistencies in the refereeing of sports - let alone with sportsbooks now heavily involved - never ceases to amaze.

 

[HarveysWBs]

3 minutes ago, Joseph Zarr said:

So, a team can spot their ball over a yard back from the actual downed runner. Ref doesn't have to spot it correctly. Can just tap the ball and run away? All is well.

The incredible amount of nascent inconsistencies in the refereeing of sports - let alone with sportsbooks now heavily involved - never ceases to amaze.

 

Wow that is some garbage

[OldHeidelberg]

Snapping the ball at end of 3rd quarter and then trying to snap it on 3rd down on last drive when you had 2 timeouts that ended with false start. You run the clock down and call the timeout, football 101 and MLF failed miserably today. 

[adambr2]

Vintage Matt Lafleur game. We finally think we have something special on our hands, dominate two good opponents, and then and he plays down to his competition.

[JosephC]

NFL players get paid a lot of money, and when watching them play it's pretty clear that they play at the level they want to play at.

I watched the first half, the most I've sat down and watched of the Packers in a couple years.  Jordan Love isn't bad, but he's a very, very average NFL QB.  He made himself a boatload of money in that playoff game against Dallas a couple years ago.  He's not nearly that good.  And no, looking at the play-by-play, I did not see the interception.

Cornerbacks looked fine in the first half.  I thought that would be the big weakness, but next to the defensive line, I didn't see any group out that that looked better than those guys. 

[Sixtolezcano]

19 minutes ago, OldHeidelberg said:

Snapping the ball at end of 3rd quarter and then trying to snap it on 3rd down on last drive when you had 2 timeouts that ended with false start. You run the clock down and call the timeout, football 101 and MLF failed miserably today. 

You haven’t taken into account that he has been one of the dumbest coaches the NFL has seen in a long time.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

1 hour ago, adambr2 said:

Vintage Matt Lafleur game. We finally think we have something special on our hands, dominate two good opponents, and then and he plays down to his competition.

I'm not so convinced this is the case, they got exposed offensively. 

The Packers were a playoff team last year that most people believe were good but not great. They played a Lions team that looked awfully flat, like the Packers often have in Week 1 with MLF. Then Washington comes in and again, the Packers are in control but let them hang around way more than they should have been able to. 

Today they choke let's be honest, that interior OL got its ass handed to it. Parsons was a big blockbuster right before the season began. It got the hype train going way too fast. Not saying the Packers can't win something this year, but what is more likely?

 

The Packers are an unstoppable juggernaut, or they're a good team that added a top 5 pass rusher and are still going to have problems? 

We had people claiming the NFC was between only 2 teams. I think it's time to pump the brakes and realize it's going to be the same fight it always is. They aren't good enough for it to be that easy. 

[HarryDoyle]

On the bright side, they'll be playing against the Cowboys defense next week.

[OldHeidelberg]

After a couple of hours to cool down the thing that still bugs me is the interception. I didn’t listen to post game but friend told me MLF was excusing it just like that pick 6 he threw right before half vs Detroit last season. Those mistakes can’t happen and that Love may not be the guy to get us there is what I am taking into this week. 

[TwinsBrewersWorldSeries]

Jordan Love is not Deshaun Watson, but right now it sure looks like his contract is one of the worst 5 in the NFL (with Dak Prescott).  We made him the highest player in the league with that contract, based on 1 good month.

Nothing wrong with being an average QB (we've been spoiled with B2B HOF QBs), but average QBs shouldn't make $50 million/year on long term deals.  They are available every offseason on modest one-year deals.

I was really excited this season once we traded for Micah Parsons, but that is fading a bit.  The Packers are just not fun to watch.

 

[BrewerFan]

54 minutes ago, wOOgiE22 said:

This team needed a wake up call after reading their own press clippings. Hopefully this is it. You can’t underestimate any team in the NFL

I don't know if they did or didn't. I actually don't think they "underestimated" them, I just think the Browns have a really good DL and they were coming off two games... and they played poorly. Losing Tom(who shouldn't have even played... one snap and he was out) just made blocking that much worse. Very disappointed in Morgan's game(snap reaction... maybe he wasn't as bad as I thought) but the OL didn't play well. 

That said, look at the Ravens-Browns game. The Browns Defense was outstanding. They were pretty much shutting the Ravens down. The Ravens got a Fumble, blocked punt, interception, turnover own downs all deep in Browns territory... that was how they scored most of their points. 

The Bengals, they locked up them pretty well also.

That doesn't make this "ok" but it also doesn't make it as dire as I think it'll feel in here next week. 

I thought this would be an ugly game. I expected we'd win(now I expect some HUGE overreactions to this loss... like we have the dumbest coach in the NFL). We didn't. The offense is most certainly to blame. The defense did it's job. 

 

Things like this happen. I remember one of the SB teams lost to a 0-9  or 0-10 Colts team(a really bad Colts team anyway). 

 

I don't think anything changed. Love threw a terrible pick. He pre-determined where the ball was going. We've seen this with the QBs we've played, we've seen it in the past with Rodgers, Favre... pretty much any QB. You speed up their internal clock, they make bad decisions. That's why Myles Garrett got paid 40.5M and that's why I thought Graham was a great pick(as well as Kris Jenkins). I don't know who their other edges were, but they were good. 

 

I think they'll come out and... as the kids say, go belt to ass on the Cowboys next week in a game they'll... DEFINITELY be fired up for and a game in which they're not going to have to deal with a great pass rush(if they had ONE guy like Garrett... I might be concerned). 

 

So... they lost a game vs an AFC team. They beat two teams they SHOULD be battling HFA for and this game was bad. They still should have won, but... like Forrest Gump said, "it happens." 

 

LOL... now all the FANS who were saying, "lets just take a beat and take it one week at a time," as if we had anything to do with how they actually played... they'll feel vindicated. 

[OldSchoolSnapper]

The result of that pick was catastrophic but honestly I didn't think it was THAT bad. It wasn't like he forced a ball into coverage. There was definitely a miscommunication where he didn't expect the receiver to continue to break down field. Sloppy, bad, awful playcall, but eh. We still had to have a FG blocked to lose the game. 

Packers needed a humbling but I am more inclined to just forget this week ever happened than read a ton into it. I do think they exposed the OL and teams will continue to do so. 

 

[yourout]

3 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

The result of that pick was catastrophic but honestly I didn't think it was THAT bad. It wasn't like he forced a ball into coverage. There was definitely a miscommunication where he didn't expect the receiver to continue to break down field. Sloppy, bad, awful playcall, but eh. We still had to have a FG blocked to lose the game. 

Packers needed a humbling but I am more inclined to just forget this week ever happened than read a ton into it. I do think they exposed the OL and teams will continue to do so. 

 

I'll have to rewatch the video but I'm pretty sure that block field goal started with a crappy snap that the holder did an amazing job just to get it on the ground and that's why it came out low

[BrewerFan]

29 minutes ago, OldHeidelberg said:

After a couple of hours to cool down the thing that still bugs me is the interception. I didn’t listen to post game but friend told me MLF was excusing it just like that pick 6 he threw right before half vs Detroit last season. Those mistakes can’t happen and that Love may not be the guy to get us there is what I am taking into this week. 

The pick was absolutely trash. That's indisputable. I'm fine with the coach covering or downplaying it. We all saw it. Him trashing him publicly doesn't do much. We saw his reaction on the sideline. He was pissed. 

I am still absolutely confident that Love is the guy but I'll accept that others aren't confident. He ain't Josh Allen or Mahomes, but even Mahomes has been the QB of a bad offense the past... 4 games now. Look at Joe Burrow vs this Browns team. It's hard to say with Lamar as... again they punted a lot that game, but they got the ball deep on several occasions and converted. 

[Sixtolezcano]

If Trent Dilfer can win a SB, so can Love. He isn’t much worse than him.

[HarveysWBs]

Since we’re offering our slightly less hot post-mortems, I will say this: I think I’m still coming out ahead as a football fan this week, and let me explain why. We usually look like death warmed over in our first week or two. This year we didn’t do that, and it netted us two key NFC wins, one against what is likely our main competition for the division. This week likely represents something of a low point on our year (hopefully excepting any injury devastation) and the fact it was a road loss to an AFC opponent that we will not be seeing in any possible Super Bowl matchups this season is about as good an outcome as you can hope for when it comes to clunkers.

It is still early, we’ve got a (hopefully) better matchup next week with Dallas, and a bye coming up to help deal with some mildly alarming injury problems, and that all should help set things right. So I’m not a complete doomer about this.

But I am something of a pessimist, so my order of concerns from highest to lowest are:

1) This offensive line will actually be worse than last year, despite the revamp

2) LaFleur is really just an overachieving mid-tier coach

3) Love is sort of fraudulent—despite the high level efficiency numbers and comparable counting stats to Rodgers and all that—because he may just be someone who shrinks in big moments

I am still holding out the possibility of being convinced by the quality of this offense, but for me, the three trend lines above are the most concerning. I have very little criteria with which to evaluate a coach, since so much of the job is non-visible to fans, but I expect issues 1 and 3 above will be definitively answered one way or another this year.

My overall confidence level is currently at a B-, but trending down.

[OldHeidelberg]

38 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

The pick was absolutely trash. That's indisputable. I'm fine with the coach covering or downplaying it. We all saw it. Him trashing him publicly doesn't do much. We saw his reaction on the sideline. He was pissed. 

I am still absolutely confident that Love is the guy but I'll accept that others aren't confident. He ain't Josh Allen or Mahomes, but even Mahomes has been the QB of a bad offense the past... 4 games now. Look at Joe Burrow vs this Browns team. It's hard to say with Lamar as... again they punted a lot that game, but they got the ball deep on several occasions and converted. 

It was a situation where just taking a knee results in a 90% win probability. If MLF isn’t barking in his ear to eat it if he is not sure maybe it isn’t all on Love but Jordan needs to understand the situation without coach reminding him. The Browns D is tough, we knew this going in, but we had this game and Love blew it with a huge unforced error. It’s not the first time and it is concerning since playoff games so often come down to the wire. 
 

Hopefully the Dallas defense will cure all. It’s a road AFC loss, no big deal, it just stings the way it went down. 

[homer]

At the end of the day, they still win without the INT or the blocked FG. Flukey weird plays. I do think the offensive line is showing itself to be razor thin. Need Tom and Banks back ASAP.

[BrewerFan]

2 hours ago, yourout said:

I'll have to rewatch the video but I'm pretty sure that block field goal started with a crappy snap that the holder did an amazing job just to get it on the ground and that's why it came out low

They still just didn't block on that FG. 

Then on top of that, there was an off-side on the final FG. A 56 yard attempt... which you just cannot be off-sides on. Imagine if they miss that. 

 

25 minutes ago, homer said:

At the end of the day, they still win without the INT or the blocked FG. Flukey weird plays. I do think the offensive line is showing itself to be razor thin. Need Tom and Banks back ASAP.

They are not good there. I hope Jenkins can get more comfortable at Center as he's not playing at a high level, but this OL is just bad when your strength is Rasheed Walker and you have to slide to help the RT.

When you have Tom in there... he's pretty good vs just about anyone on his own. There's only a few players he needs help with... and we played one of them today. 

 

I'm also perfectly fine with throwing the ball there up 10-3. You should be trying to close it out with your offense. I would expect the QB to be smarter than that. You know their DBs will be aggressive as they know their pass rush is going to get home. It's just like our DL/DBs. 

It's still just one game, it's one of the "best" games to lose and I don't feel any differently as a whole after this game than I did before it. We'll get better as the season goes on provided with have reasonable health. Not having Watson and Reed in a game like this hurt.

[BrewerFan]

Micah Parsons Apologizes for Penalties After Packers' Stunning Loss to Browns

 

This... probably irrationally so, but it actually annoyed me. 

Like... you're doing too much dude. This just strikes me as a little over the top after the "questions" that just magically surfaced when Jones got overly sensitive about Parsons not taking the contract they shook hands and agreed on, but this feels like him trying to REALLY prove he's the best teammate and the "off the field questions," that the Cowboys let it leak they were rumored about are irrational.

 

There's not a person with two functional brain cells who thinks this was at ALL on the defense. They gave up 3 points(for all practical purposes). 

But... whatever. Just Bill Bellichick it fellas. "We're on to Dallas." 

[Brian]

12 hours ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

The result of that pick was catastrophic but honestly I didn't think it was THAT bad. It wasn't like he forced a ball into coverage. There was definitely a miscommunication where he didn't expect the receiver to continue to break down field. Sloppy, bad, awful playcall, but eh. We still had to have a FG blocked to lose the game. 

Packers needed a humbling but I am more inclined to just forget this week ever happened than read a ton into it. I do think they exposed the OL and teams will continue to do so. 

 

Matt Lafleur rushed back 2 injured players yesterday and they both got reinjured yesterday Zach Tom, Aaron Banks.  Now they will both be out for 2 more weeks each instead of comming back next week if he sat them yesterday.  Not a very smart decision in my book. Poor coaching and decision making everywhere yesterday by Lafleur.