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Garza to DL, right shoulder tendinitis; Knebel recalled


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Matt Garza's forgettable 2015 season took another turn on Monday, when the Milwaukee Brewers placed him on the 15-day disabled list with right shoulder tendinitis.

 

Reliever Corey Knebel, who was sent to Class AAA Colorado Springs in advance of the Brewers' weekend series in Cincinnati, has been recalled.

 

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So any thoughts on whether his tendinitis caused the poor season or whether his poor season "caused" the tendinitis (i.e. you've been sucking... take two weeks off with tendinitis)?

 

If its the former, we at least have some hope that he can bounce back when he returns.

"Rock, sometime, when the team is up against it, and the breaks are beating the boys, tell 'em to go out there with all they got and win just one for the Uecker. I don't know where I'll be then, Rock but I'll know about it; and I'll be happy."

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Doubt it. I don't think we need a 5th starter for a few weeks and Willy will be back by then I think

brewers already tweeted that Cravy will start tomorrow. who knows what will happen after that though.

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I don't think he has any value at this point. Maybe he comes back in Sept , pitches well and can get moved in the off season
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Plenty of teams will be willing to take a chance on Garza at 2/$30M after seeing the Red Sox set the bar at 4/$84M with Porcello and after seeing what Cueto and Grienke (if he opts out) will get.

 

And Porcello is having just as bad of a season as Garza.

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Garza's under contract through 2017. It didn't make any sense to sell low on him. If he starts off well next year, he'll have more value with less remaining on his contract than he would have this year even if he had been pitching decent.

 

Kind of surprised they'd replace him with Knebel. Why not just activate Davis? They'd still have 12 pitchers. Now are they going to send Goforth back down or a position player, either Gomez or Peterson?

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There is little reason for Garza to report anything other than a major injury. He is better off playing poorly through almost injury than reporting an injury and playing well.

Fan is short for fanatic.

I blame Wang.

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Doubt it. I don't think we need a 5th starter for a few weeks and Willy will be back by then I think

brewers already tweeted that Cravy will start tomorrow. who knows what will happen after that though.

Just in time for Davis to come back. There wouldn't be another start for Cravy before the All Star Break so might as well send him back down to get another position player on the roster.

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There is little reason for Garza to report anything other than a major injury. He is better off playing poorly through almost injury than reporting an injury and playing well.

 

I don't follow this at all? Why would one act healthy and pitch poorly when they could just go to the DL, which explains poor play but also would help get healthy and allow to pitch well when coming back. Also, pitching through a minor injury could lead to further injury, not worth the risk in a lost season

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There is little reason for Garza to report anything other than a major injury. He is better off playing poorly through almost injury than reporting an injury and playing well.

 

I don't follow this at all? Why would one act healthy and pitch poorly when they could just go to the DL, which explains poor play but also would help get healthy and allow to pitch well when coming back. Also, pitching through a minor injury could lead to further injury, not worth the risk in a lost season

 

Some of his salary is tied to staying healthy. Not saying that is why he would do that but it is the only reason i can think of why he would.

There needs to be a King Thames version of the bible.
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If he misses starts a low option is available to the Brewers. If he doesn't miss starts a huge option kicks in. Per Cot's.

 

4 years/$50M (2014-17), plus 2018 vesting option

signed by Milwaukee as a free agent 1/27/14

14-17:$12.5M annually. 18: vesting/club option

2018 option vests at $13M if Garza 1) has 110 starts in 2014-17, 2) has 115 innings in 2017 and 3) is not on the disabled list at end of 2017 season

club holds $5M option for 2018 if it does not vest at $13M

club may exercise 2018 option at $1M if Garza spends more than 130 days on disabled list in any 183-day period from 2014 to 2017

$2M annually is deferred without interest, to be paid in four installments each Dec. 15, 2018-21

annual performance bonuses: $0.5M each for 30 starts, 190 IP

Fan is short for fanatic.

I blame Wang.

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That explains it, thanks. You don't see those type of things too often. Too bad they don't have that for year 4 instead of year 5
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I am not saying this is the case, but it has been on my mind all season while he has been pitching poorly.

Fan is short for fanatic.

I blame Wang.

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club may exercise 2018 option at $1M if Garza spends more than 130 days on disabled list in any 183-day period from 2014 to 2017

 

[sarcasm]In a rare maneuver, the Milwaukee Brewers have placed Matt Garza on the 15-day DL prospective to 116 days from now.[/sarcasm]

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This makes sense. Garza is still reasonably young, so for him to suddenly pitch so badly made me wonder if something was amiss.

 

I just hope there's nothing more than a little tendinitis.

 

For Garza, the goal should be to get him totally healthy, then come back when ready. If that's in two weeks, great. If it's in 10 weeks, that's fine as well. He's unlikely to be traded this year due to the injury, so it would be to our interest for him to just come back next year at full strength, and put up some good numbers. If the team is doing well, he's a key part of that. If not, he can be a good trade chip.

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Tendinitis in a pitcher at mid season doesn't make any sense, the muscles and tendons are well conditioned by the end of spring training. Elbow tendinitis usually equals TJ surgery... there has a to a be a tear or loose body floating around in a joint to cause that kind of irritation in those well conditioned areas. Shoulder tendinitis... well that worries me.

 

Shoulder inflammation worries me because shoulder repairs aren't anywhere near as successful as TJ surgery.

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Darn the luck...if Lohse could somehow get hurt too we're going to make a push for the 2nd wild card.

 

But for some reason, every time we sign another one of these guys as a free agent in the offseason, people cheer the deal because they're a "sure thing," while prospects fail all the time.

"The most successful (people) know that performance over the long haul is what counts. If you can seize the day, great. But never forget that there are days yet to come."

 

~Bill Walsh

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Lohse did give us two very good seasons before this debacle.

"Rock, sometime, when the team is up against it, and the breaks are beating the boys, tell 'em to go out there with all they got and win just one for the Uecker. I don't know where I'll be then, Rock but I'll know about it; and I'll be happy."

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