Game Thread (7/16/2022): Brewers (Lauer) at Giants (Cobb) - 6:15 PM CDT

[BruisedCrew]

8 hours ago, LouisEly said:

Take a look at the Cardinal's pitching and tell me that they're going to win the division without making a few trades.

I have no doubt that they will be picking up some pitching. It just remains to be seen who it will be.

[Brewcrew82]

3 minutes ago, BruisedCrew said:

I have no doubt that they will be picking up some pitching. It just remains to be soon who it will be.

Couldn't you say the same thing for us and bats though?

[Jim French Stepstool]

When you're a competitor, you can't help but react when something like that balk occurs. Can't reverse it? Wouldn't do any good? Didn't have a good look at it?

None of that matters. I'm just dumbfounded Counsell simply stood there with his "analytics" face in that situation. My jaw dropped when the call was made, only surpassed by his dead-in-the-water reaction.

Kudos to Lauer. If there was a "big game" for him this season, this was it & he was magnificent.

Here's the deal: Counsell isn't going anywhere. If anyone it would have to be your hitting coach/es. I know the song & dance about how it's not the hitting coaches' fault, and I largely agree. But things like this happen, and change for the sake of change, as unfair as it is, oftentimes works in sports. I've coached (obviously not at this level), and a different set of eyes, a different way of conveying info, even if it's the same info, can sometimes be all it takes. Plus, frankly I'd love to think that, if it happens, the position player group would feel responsible for it. Anything to try to light a fire, to feel a sense of consequence.

Rant over. This organization seldom if ever does stuff like that.

 

[DuWayne Steurer]

I'm not a big fan of emotional, in the moment responses to things, but if there was ever a moment for Counsell to try to sell a call for tomorrow, that was it. I know the ol "show your guys you'll go to battle for them" mantra, and maybe they already know that, or maybe we don't.  None of us know what kind of relationships these dudes have all forged over this season and prior.

There's a time and a place for everything, and that was as good a time as any to go out and ask the ump if his lens prescription needs renewing. 

 

[Nola Beery]

Typical loss. 2-1. Fine pitching, no hitting. Kinda glad it wasn't on TV in New Orleans.

[willie key]

Just now, DuWayne Steurer said:

I'm not a big fan of emotional, in the moment responses to things, but if there was ever a moment for Counsell to try to sell a call for tomorrow, that was it. I know the ol "show your guys you'll go to battle for them" mantra, and maybe they already know that, or maybe we don't.  None of us know what kind of relationships these dudes have all forged over this season and prior.

There's a time and a place for everything, and that was as good a time as any to go out and ask the ump if his lens prescription needs renewing. 

 

I felt bad for gustave.   Someone needs to have his back

[Austin Tatious]

I didn’t see the balk.  Why was it a bad call?

[DuWayne Steurer]

2 minutes ago, Austin Tatious said:

I didn’t see the balk.  Why was it a bad call?

He wasn't making any kind of motion that (by judgement) should have looked deceptive to the runners.  He (appeared) to be trying to get a new sign.  Balks are judgement calls, so it's really open to interpretation, and it was just a bad call.  

[BigDaddy1974]

It wasn’t a balk. At least from what I saw. Absolutely terrible, the fact CC didn’t go out and argue the call has me scratching my head. It looked like he was mentally checked out. Totally unacceptable.

[Austin Tatious]

1 minute ago, DuWayne Steurer said:

He wasn't making any kind of motion that (by judgement) should have looked deceptive to the runners.  He (appeared) to be trying to get a new sign.  Balks are judgement calls, so it's really open to interpretation, and it was just a bad call.  

Crazy that the ump would decide the game that way.  Isn’t the intent of the balk rule is so you don’t fool the runners unfairly?  This seems way off track and useless.  

Thanks for the explanation. 

[Brewcrew82]

LIES

[Jim French Stepstool]

Just want to also say, I'm not a Suter fan but I thought he was fine. I understood why he was used. He got a couple of outs, one legitimate hit & one little league fly ball by Flores that was a hit because he didn't hit it well enough for it to be caught.

[Brewcrew82]

Where exactly does he "bring his hands up"? HE LITERALLY DOESNT EVEN MOVE THEM. 

[Jim French Stepstool]

2 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

LIES

More Dreckman: "Not to mention, LaRussa wasn't involved. Buck Showalter wasn't in the house. Lou Piniella retired. Billy Martin has gone to his reward. What, Craig Counsell is going to say something? Give me a break".

[Brewcrew82]

Also Ashby is starting tomorrow instead of Alexander. 

[markedman5]

I don’t like complaining about umpiring but this is just ridiculous 

Do they know there is video of what actually happened?

 

[treego14]

5 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Where exactly does he "bring his hands up"? HE LITERALLY DOESNT EVEN MOVE THEM. 

What a joke!

Fine the ump making this balk call  and the other ump trying to explain it away!

Fine Counsell for not reacting!

[Brewcrew82]

Can we seriously file a protest with the commissioner's office or something? Like if that's how the ump is going to rationalize the call....

[DuWayne Steurer]

1 minute ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Can we seriously file a protest with the commissioner's office or something? Like if that's how the ump is going to rationalize the call....

They can, but it will have absolutely zero effect.  It's basically just a formal way of saying "this sucked and we're mad about it".

I don't even know if teams protest anymore.

[Jim French Stepstool]

I'd love to see if the sports networks make an issue of this. I doubt it because:

The Brewers aren't located in NY or Boston; and

Our manager didn't seem bothered by it.

[willie key]

That is not a balk.    What gustave did happens 50 times in a game

[AKCheesehead]

What did Craig have to say about the balk call in the presser?  I shut it off after Wong struck out.

[Austin Tatious]

How many tie games in the history of baseball were decided because of a balk because the pitcher stepped off the rubber to re-set without starting any semblance of a motion?  It’s unprecedented insanity.  

I watch Jomboy regularly.   I highly recommend it to any baseball fan. There is a lot of crappy umpiring.  And I’m all for electronic ball and strike calls.  That stuff changes games.  A bad ball or strike call in a 1-1 or 2-1 situation can totally shift the power in an at bat and effect an outcome.  Pitch framing is too prominent.  Let’s play the game in the right situations.  

[Jim French Stepstool]

8 minutes ago, AKCheesehead said:

What did Craig have to say about the balk call in the presser?  I shut it off after Wong struck out.

Presser is usually replayed on 1250 AM in MIlwaukee. Online if you're out of town.

[Pugger]

37 minutes ago, BigDaddy1974 said:

It wasn’t a balk. At least from what I saw. Absolutely terrible, the fact CC didn’t go out and argue the call has me scratching my head. It looked like he was mentally checked out. Totally unacceptable.

Unless CC agreed with that ump...or was just too disgusted.