Josh Hader Traded to the Padres

[MVP2110]

Lamet being DFA'd is a little surprising but not overly so imo. It always seemed like he was put in the deal purely for financial reasons. I wouldn't be surprised if the Brewers try to sign him back on a minor league deal. 

[folly412]

O....k then. 

[True Blue Brew Crew]

Just saw this in a reply to the news of this release from Robert Murray. I laughed...

[BallFour]

so even if he stays in the system hes an automatic non-tender in the offseason if this is what they think of him.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

4 minutes ago, MVP2110 said:

Lamet being DFA'd is a little surprising but not overly so imo. It always seemed like he was put in the deal purely for financial reasons. I wouldn't be surprised if the Brewers try to sign him back on a minor league deal. 

I think the Brewers felt that they had another, probably more substantial deal involving one of their starters at or near the finish line, and it didn't happen for whatever reason. 

[tmwiese55]

I guess I'm still at the same point as my gut reaction, I was generally fine with trading him as it makes sense with the contract and having Williams.  But I thought you should get more than this back in order to be enticed to do it midseason, and to a team we're competing against.  Don't think they'd have had a hard time getting two quality minor leaguers back in the offseason similar to what they got here.  Keeps you competing now for the division and having two complete aces to lockdown end of games and without the bad PR and bad vibes in the locker room

That said, I do like everything I've read on the two guys they've gotten.  

[StearnsFTW]

29 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

Lamet has now been DFA'd. 

I've been one of the biggest Stearns guys around for awhile, but ... umm ....

Wow.  Ok then. 

 

Yikes.

 

[craigharmann]

28 minutes ago, folly412 said:

O....k then. 

That makes no sense whatsoever. 

[monty57]

18 minutes ago, craigharmann said:

That makes no sense whatsoever. 

“To help balance the deal” means that Lamet had negative trade value. If we hadn’t taken him, we would have had to settle for less than Ruiz & Gasser. 
 

I guess they could’ve said they’d pay $5M of Hader’s salary and it would’ve had the same effect. 

[rickh150]

1 hour ago, monty57 said:

“To help balance the deal” means that Lamet had negative trade value. If we hadn’t taken him, we would have had to settle for less than Ruiz & Gasser. 
 

I guess they could’ve said they’d pay $5M of Hader’s salary and it would’ve had the same effect. 

Bush must have been the kicker. He took Lamet’s spot. Yet, ugh, Suter and McGee are viewed as better? 

But seriously, Suter’s days are numbered with relievers coming off the DL. Or his arm might be becoming a bit sore and a DL stint will be badly needed.

[craigharmann]

1 hour ago, monty57 said:

“To help balance the deal” means that Lamet had negative trade value. If we hadn’t taken him, we would have had to settle for less than Ruiz & Gasser. 
 

I guess they could’ve said they’d pay $5M of Hader’s salary and it would’ve had the same effect. 

But then why not DFA him immediately.?

[monty57]

1 minute ago, craigharmann said:

But then why not DFA him immediately.?

Someone said this earlier. We may have needed him in the dugout yesterday in case of a blowout. It didn’t make sense to add Peralta until his start, so might as well have an extra reliever around. 

[monty57]

9 minutes ago, rickh150 said:

Bush must have been the kicker. He took Lamet’s spot. Yet, ugh, Suter and McGee are viewed as better? 

But seriously, Suter’s days are numbered with relievers coming off the DL. Or his arm might be becoming a bit sore and a DL stint will be badly needed.

I don’t know the extent of Lamet’s injuries. They may have been more certain that Suter could make it through the season. Someone mentioned that Suter’s over 5 years’ service time, so we’d probably lose him if we tried to send him down. 

[folly412]

12 minutes ago, rickh150 said:

Bush must have been the kicker. He took Lamet’s spot. Yet, ugh, Suter and McGee are viewed as better? 

But seriously, Suter’s days are numbered with relievers coming off the DL. Or his arm might be becoming a bit sore and a DL stint will be badly needed.

Given Bush was at the park, in the bullpen, but not activated yesterday makes me think they still hadn't figured out what they were doing.  I'm not certain McGee wasn't pitching for his job, and Milner to not be sent to AAA had they not both had great innings.

I predict Suter or Gott will get a Phantom IL stint when they're ready to activate Cousins, making the big leap and assuming no one gets hurt for realsies.

[folly412]

Nice little chat with Hader.  Trying to adjust to seeing him with that hat.  

Also confirmed he was tipping a few weeks ago.

[BigDaddy1974]

What in the heck are they doing?! Seriously, has Stearns been hitting grandpas cough medicine?!

[Nearsighted Views]

Been saying you got back a reliever who probably won't make postseason roster. Will have to adjust that. 

I can't remember anything like this trade by any team in baseball. My entire brain hurts on this dumpster fire of a deadline 

[beekay414]

I'm just underwhelmed by the return. Gasser is a 23 year old who has never pitched above A ball, isn't tooled up at all since his FB grades out poorly. He did enough to be able to tick it up to 95 but velo isn't the only part of having a good fastball. We don't know what he is yet since AA and above is where you start finding out your worth as a pitcher.

Ruiz, I hate buying on these type of prospects. The Padres 100% sold high on someone that could crater in a moment's notice. He changed his approach but it's the type of approach that may not work in the bigs since quality of contact matters. He's a low-impact bat that thrived in hitter friendly environments this season. He's going to need to be able to get to the gaps in order to be even an average hitter at the MLB level. I just don't get drafting guys with good hit tools but not much else and then deciding that the main piece in the return for Josh Hader is someone that has a questionable one with a short track record of success. Really hope I'm wrong on this kid. Well, both kids actually.

This entire process, from the return, to the hit in the clubhouse, just baffles me. Since Rogers is a rental, this trade is essentially Gasser and Ruiz for Hader. That's a trade you 100% can revisit in December. Just no reason for it now. If you're worried about CF going forward, then friggin' trade for one, don't sell your best asset in hopes that one of the 4 guys you have in AAA that can play the position figure it out. Just a total backasswards approach to this and it's mindboggling. Mind you, I'm someone that puts a ton of time in evaluating baseball prospects and looks at how the tools match the stats to get the entire story.  

I know I get reactionary but I don't think anyone can fight my train of thought here after making my analysis.

[NBBrewFan]

That 3D chess that Stearns is playing looks a lot like Checkers.

[MrTPlush]

Not really a big deal. Obviously Lamet was 99% just to offset some salary and the Brewers were probably like, "erm, maybe he can also be useful on the team too." But them after other moves they decided there was no point trying to get any production from him. 

[Ghostbear]

Well, Stearns did not consider the.emotional impact or morale of the team. Hader, Woodruff, Peralta, Burns, Suder, all came up around the same time. Hader was a brother, a foundational piece.  The impact of his trade will throw the team out of sync for a while. It also appears to me S.D. got a diamond and we got a sack of pebbles.  They got an elite and we got a few second tier at best. Stearns got duped by S.D. quanity over quality is never an answer. He cut one of the guys he got the day after he got him. Bush and Rodgers are not a deal for Josh Hader. S.D. went for it to beat the Dodgers in the playoffs. We traded Hader because, like is our history, we don't want to pay him next year. True, in the middle of next year, I doubt S.D. will be able to afford him either. He'll be 100 million dollar man or more if he continues as he has the last few years. If he learns another pitch, like a changeup, it'll be more.  Williams is emtionally not ready to be the high pressure closer,  Hader is. 

Greg

[MVP2110]

The value of this trade was fine, the timing of it was terrible and seems to have really effected the morale of this team. I'm not sure there is any disputing that right now

[brewers888]

1 minute ago, MVP2110 said:

The value of this trade was fine, the timing of it was terrible and seems to have really effected the morale of this team. I'm not sure there is any disputing that right now

I disagree that the value was fine. We needed to focus more on quality instead of quantity and not getting any top prospects is a major fail. i was in favor of trading Hader only if we were getting back at least one if not two top prospects and if that was unavailable stick with the best reliever in baseball.

[MVP2110]

41 minutes ago, brewers888 said:

I disagree that the value was fine. We needed to focus more on quality instead of quantity and not getting any top prospects is a major fail. i was in favor of trading Hader only if we were getting back at least one if not two top prospects and if that was unavailable stick with the best reliever in baseball.

We did focus on quality, we got two top ten org prospects which is what I think we should have expected this upcoming offseason. Stearns called Gasser one of the top pitching prospects in baseball. If the trade in the offseason was Hader for Gasser/Ruiz I'd have zero issues with it. The issue with the trade is the timing 

[True Blue Brew Crew]

The value will only be fine if the prospects (at least one of Ruiz or Gasser) pan out. Because one of the major leaguers has already been released and the other is controlled for a full year less than Hader. And when the trade is reduced down to hinging on the 2 prospects as opposed to keeping Hader and not having Rogers, it's hard to say this is the quality of prospects anyone was expecting when the Hader card was cashed. At this point we can only hope that the front office is very sold on Ruiz and Gasser and quite confident one or both will be major league contributors for years to come. Let's hope they're right because at year's end, they're likely all that will be left to show for Hader.