Josh Hader Traded to the Padres

[djoctagone]

 

[owbc]

Last year the Mariners traded Kendall Gravemen at the deadline and the media had all the same reports of the clubhouse being pissed, having a closed door meeting, etc. etc. They won a couple games and everyone was over it in a week. The same will happen here. 

[mtrebs]

So, we didn’t acquire any immediate offense at the trade deadline. Can’t wait to lose 3-1 and 2-0 in the postseason, if we make it.

[Nearsighted Views]

I used to be a regular here. Surprised to see a bunch of familiar names.  Great insights just like I remember. 

But I hate everything about this trade. This franchise is at the point of openly telling us they promise to strive for mediocrity and we'll like it cuz of the market blah blah blah 

All those years of mashing all season to be thwarted by a team with pitching like Milwaukee. And we finally have it. And at the deadline we proudly present you a team less one of its marquee stars for a guy not as good, some reliever and 2 guys who might make the majors some day. And not one bat. And you made a likely competitor significantly better by letting it keep all it's major pieces

I'm salty right now and maybe I'll look at it differently some day but I'll always think it sucked on some level. Just feels like they want to be good enough to extract $24 a drink while trotting out a completely bland product. 

If anyone finished this, thanks. Noone I know cares enough to hear me out on this rant. I don't know why this one bugged me so much. 

[True Blue Brew Crew]

23 minutes ago, Nearsighted Views said:

I used to be a regular here. Surprised to see a bunch of familiar names.  Great insights just like I remember. 

But I hate everything about this trade. This franchise is at the point of openly telling us they promise to strive for mediocrity and we'll like it cuz of the market blah blah blah 

All those years of mashing all season to be thwarted by a team with pitching like Milwaukee. And we finally have it. And at the deadline we proudly present you a team less one of its marquee stars for a guy not as good, some reliever and 2 guys who might make the majors some day. And not one bat. And you made a likely competitor significantly better by letting it keep all it's major pieces

I'm salty right now and maybe I'll look at it differently some day but I'll always think it sucked on some level. Just feels like they want to be good enough to extract $24 a drink while trotting out a completely bland product. 

If anyone finished this, thanks. Noone I know cares enough to hear me out on this rant. I don't know why this one bugged me so much. 

Just feels like we'll look back at this era with this pitching and all lament someday about how much of a missed opportunity it was.

[brewcrewdue80]

Trying to find a reason anyone likes Lamet? 2021-now out of the bullpen?

26times

Run(s) allowed in 15 of those appearances.  You cant be serious you're adding him for the stretch run right? This has to be a guy you're pitching to return as a SP down in AAA.

(Checks in plan)

Nope we're planning to let teams score 60pct of games he pitches in.

[folly412]

31 minutes ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

Trying to find a reason anyone likes Lamet? 2021-now out of the bullpen?

26times

Run(s) allowed in 15 of those appearances.  You cant be serious you're adding him for the stretch run right? This has to be a guy you're pitching to return as a SP down in AAA.

(Checks in plan)

Nope we're planning to let teams score 60pct of games he pitches in.

Also don't get it.  He has good stuff and might be good someday is an odd play when he's already 30 and for a contending team in August.  It was the profile of Angel Perdomo, who we just DFA'd. 

Strange to me that he's going to take up a roster spot while Luis Perdomo was just optioned after a solid rehab assignment, Strzlecki is optioned tomorrow, Gott or McGee may be DFA'd, and Cousins could be ready to return as soon as next week.

[JesseG53]

On 8/1/2022 at 2:30 PM, Brewcrew82 said:

Also, worth noting that the Braves won the World Series last year with an "underwhelming" deadline following the Acuna injury and with Will Freaking Smith as their closer. Not saying that we're the World Series favorites all of a sudden, but Stearns knows what he's doing. 

The Braves traded for Eddie Rosario, Joc Pederson, Jorge Soler and Adam Duvall. They legit knew they had a hole and went “screw it, let’s get crazy because we are good enough to win it this year”. 
 

Rosario won NLCS MVP

Soler won World Series MVP. 
 

 

 

[JesseG53]

On 8/1/2022 at 3:32 PM, edfunderburk said:

I’m quite confident that Rogers - nor any other MLB pitcher - has ever had an inning remotely close to the meltdown bottom of the ninth that Hader recently had in San Fran … six runs on three HRs in 1/3 of an inning 

Taylor Rogers on June 2nd against Milwaukee (which makes this kinda fun) went 

0.0IP 2H 4ER 

so yes he has?

[JesseG53]

On 8/1/2022 at 3:50 PM, Fear The Chorizo said:

They traded Aroldis Chapman to the Cubs for Gleyber Torres....so yeah they would

The Yankees on August 1st 2016 were 6.5 games back of the division lead and in 4th place in the division. They also knew Chapman was gonna re-sign In the off-season. Not really the same situation to be fair 

[JesseG53]

Josh Hader in his career in the post season has a 1.88 era.
 

He has stuck out 23 in 14.1 innings. He has given up a total of 3 runs, 2 of which were against the nationals in that fluky innings. He gave up a homer to Freddie Freeman (who btw is a really good hitter).

Please stop acting like Josh Hader can’t handle “the pressure situations”. Dude pitched 2 scoreless innings in 2018 to clinch the division on the road in a game 163. He followed that up that year and pitched 10 innings in the postseason and gave up 0 runs with a FIP of 0.26. In those 10 innings he gave up a total of 5 hits. 

[Never Outhustled]

While I initially supported the Hader trade, I thought there would be another big trade made. I never thought that on the day after the deadline, the Brewers would still have a fulltime DH and cleanup hitter and with 712 OPS. That's just pathetic. 

 

Ownership only cares about doing just barely enoughto put people in the stands. You want the Brewers to go for it and chase a World Series birth? Stop buying tickets.

[wibadgers23]

I’m sure this has already been brought up but why wouldn’t Ruiz immediately replace Davis on the active roster? He doesn’t seem to have anything left to prove in the minors.

[YelichPosse]

27 minutes ago, wibadgers23 said:

I’m sure this has already been brought up but why wouldn’t Ruiz immediately replace Davis on the active roster? He doesn’t seem to have anything left to prove in the minors.

Same thought/ frustration I have - ESPECIALLY after not acquiring another bat. Why is Ruiz not up? Oh yea, we rather have 3 catchers. (insert shrug emoji).

[Eye Black]

40 minutes ago, wibadgers23 said:

I’m sure this has already been brought up but why wouldn’t Ruiz immediately replace Davis on the active roster? He doesn’t seem to have anything left to prove in the minors.

I wonder if they were waiting to see how trade talks yesterday were going to shake out. Either way I am assuming he’ll be on the major league roster very soon. Otherwise keeping him in Nashville where they also now have Frelick, Mitchell, and Wiemer in the outfield makes little sense. 

[monty57]

10 hours ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

Trying to find a reason anyone likes Lamet? 2021-now out of the bullpen?

26times

Run(s) allowed in 15 of those appearances.  You cant be serious you're adding him for the stretch run right? This has to be a guy you're pitching to return as a SP down in AAA.

(Checks in plan)

Nope we're planning to let teams score 60pct of games he pitches in.

My guess is that the Brewers had to take some salary back since Rogers is almost fully being paid by the Twins. 

He was successful before the injuries, so there is hope that he's back and will provide some positive value to the Brewers, but there's certainly a chance that he's just someone who's there to offset salary and the Brewers will DFA him as soon as the dust settles.

Or, if they don't think he's ready, but still like his talent, they might be banking on him being ready to help out next year when they will also be pushing for a playoff appearance/World Series. 

[RWeeksFan23]

Someone is going to have to explain to me how Ruiz isn't a top 100 prospect in the game.

.333/.467/.560 in the minors? With 60 steals? Those are video game numbers.

Like, how is this guy not like THE BEST prospect in baseball? for real

[FriarHouketh]

My original reaction to the trade was, "Well, either we just screwed things up royally or we just won the National League pennant."

Of course, that was before the Soto trade.

[StearnsFTW]

13 hours ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

Trying to find a reason anyone likes Lamet? 2021-now out of the bullpen?

26times

Run(s) allowed in 15 of those appearances.  You cant be serious you're adding him for the stretch run right? This has to be a guy you're pitching to return as a SP down in AAA.

(Checks in plan)

Nope we're planning to let teams score 60pct of games he pitches in.

He's flat-out dominant when he's right.  Granted, he hasn't been right in 2 years, which is why he was available.  If you look at the recent numbers, they're gross.  There's no way around it.  I can see why someone would dream on him being healthy though.  Same with Rosenthal.

 

[wibadgers23]

2 hours ago, RWeeksFan23 said:

Someone is going to have to explain to me how Ruiz isn't a top 100 prospect in the game.

.333/.467/.560 in the minors? With 60 steals? Those are video game numbers.

Like, how is this guy not like THE BEST prospect in baseball? for real

And why are they sending him to Nashville right away? Makes absolutely no sense.

[torts]

13 minutes ago, StearnsFTW said:

He's flat-out dominant when he's right.  Granted, he hasn't been right in 2 years, which is why he was available.  If you look at the recent numbers, they're gross.  There's no way around it.  I can see why someone would dream on him being healthy though.  Same with Rosenthal.

 

his numbers prior to this season are pretty good.  i'd rather have Dinelson in the BP over the majority of guys we've trotted out this year.

 

also, the return for Hader was probably the best we could have gotten considering they literally traded everyone else to get Soto and Bell.

[wibadgers23]

Hader pitched a scoreless 9th and got the win and Grisham hit a walkoff homerun last night for the Padres. A capper to a great day.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Lamet has now been DFA'd. 

I've been one of the biggest Stearns guys around for awhile, but ... umm ....

[FriarHouketh]

We trade for the guy, then we DFA him?

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Just now, FriarHouketh said:

We trade for the guy, then we DFA him?

Granted he was by far the 4th guy value-wise in that deal, but still kinda crazy. I guess he was just a salary dump guy.