2022 Winter Meetings Super Mega Extravaganza Thread

[Brewcrew82]

16 minutes ago, wibadgers23 said:

Not good.  We can't go another year with little to no production at catcher.  Can't happen.

Yep. A guy like Danny Jansen will cost a non-trivial price in prospect capital, but that cost is well-worth it imo compared to going into the season with that particular set-up at C. 

[Brewcrew82]

Dodgers and Yankees are conspicuously quiet...

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

5 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Dodgers and Yankees are conspicuously quiet...

I have a sneaking suspicion that Willy Adames is going to be Dodger before the week is out. And that makes me sad.

[wibadgers23]

1 minute ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

I have a sneaking suspicion that Willy Adames is going to be Dodger before the week is out. And that makes me sad.

That was my first thought when I saw that Turner signed with Philly.  I don't think the Dodgers want to spend that kind of money on any of the other shortstop FA's and will go hard after Adames.

[Brewcrew82]

23 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

I have a sneaking suspicion that Willy Adames is going to be Dodger before the week is out. And that makes me sad.

We'll see. I do love the guy, but the sting would lessen for me by virtue of getting to raid the Dodgers' #1 farm system. He's not as irreplaceable as Burnes/Woodruff are imo. 

[dlk9s]

This is all BS. It's not winter yet.

[Joseph Zarr]

Just now, dlk9s said:

This is all BS. It's not winter yet.

My 19" of snowpack in early December and nights into the single digits would say otherwise. I'll build a snowman in your honor.

[DR28]

42 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

I have a sneaking suspicion that Willy Adames is going to be Dodger before the week is out. And that makes me sad.

No!!!

They better overpay... I'm talking like Cartaya, Miller, Busch or Vargas return.

[brewcrewdue80]

Braves were momentarily tied to Sean Murphy deal. Reading MLBTR Braves have 3 catchers, their own Contreras, Pina, and Travis D'Arnaud who has an 8mil deal with 8mil option. Braves are up and expected over Luxury Tax. D'Arnaud has done well vs LHP.  Seems like where you send a Ruiz or lesser prospect taking on the full 8mil. You would use D'Arnaud and Caratini with Feliciano in minors backup. Decline the option and Caratini is a FA after the season.  See where Feliciano and Quero are at for 2024.

[Underachiever]

Can someone explain why Jansen is brought up a lot? Is it known the Jays want to trade him? Is it just this board wishful thinking? I'm genuinely asking; don't pay attention like a lot of you do. Thanks.

[wibadgers23]

https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/1599951603007893504?s=20&t=gp5wcqKcQVTiVl0hBjoSAg

Seems almost inevitable the Cubs will spend big money this winter.

[sveumrules]

5 minutes ago, Underachiever said:

Can someone explain why Jansen is brought up a lot? Is it known the Jays want to trade him? Is it just this board wishful thinking? I'm genuinely asking; don't pay attention like a lot of you do. Thanks.

Blue Jays have Alejandro Kirk who was an All Star last year & Gabriel Moreno who ranked between #7 & #22 entering the year and hit for a 120 wRC+ with only a 16.9 K% at AAA as a 22 year old. 

[nate82]

I'll say this again Jansen is over rated.  Other than 2022 he hasn't put up a really good season.  He also may break down quicker as he looks to be about a 90 game catcher and that is it.  He is basically Narvaez before he was traded to the Brewers.  No way I am giving up anyone more than Ruiz in a trade for Jansen.  If the Blue Jays want more they can go pound sand Jansen is not worth trading any major prospect for and that includes Mitchell. 

If the Blue Jays would take Ruiz and Zamora for Jansen then fine but anything more than that and it is a waste of resources.

 

I fully expect Jansen to drop from a 141 OPS+ to something around a 105-110 OPS+.  If he has to play in over 90 games that will drop even more and you are looking at a 90-100 OPS+ catcher. 

[brewmann04]

Just sign Vasquez 

[wallus]

If Jansen's power is real, he is valuable. 

[sveumrules]

2022 was only 248 PAs for Jansen, so his 140 wRC+ should be viewed with healthy skepticism.

At the same time he also posted career best plate discipline stats, career high barrels/hard hit percentage, and all his StatCast expected numbers were in line with his actual production so there are a number of positive indicators too.

Steamer seems to be buying in projecting a 120 wRC+ for next year, which would be a decent regression  from 2022 but still represents their 4th highest wRC+ for a catcher behind Kirk, Adley, and The Fresh Prince of Chavez Ravine. 

[Brewcrew82]

28 minutes ago, nate82 said:

I'll say this again Jansen is over rated.  Other than 2022 he hasn't put up a really good season.  He also may break down quicker as he looks to be about a 90 game catcher and that is it.  He is basically Narvaez before he was traded to the Brewers.  No way I am giving up anyone more than Ruiz in a trade for Jansen.  If the Blue Jays want more they can go pound sand Jansen is not worth trading any major prospect for and that includes Mitchell. 

If the Blue Jays would take Ruiz and Zamora for Jansen then fine but anything more than that and it is a waste of resources.

 

I fully expect Jansen to drop from a 141 OPS+ to something around a 105-110 OPS+.  If he has to play in over 90 games that will drop even more and you are looking at a 90-100 OPS+ catcher. 

Narvaez is a bad comparison. Jansen hits the ball a lot harder than Narvaez ever has in his career. Only reason Narvaez even hit 20 HRs was due to the juiced ball. 

Jansen's Statcast numbers disagree with you. I don't think he's likely to put up a 140 wRC+ again, but I agree with what Steamer has him projected for (120 wRC+). That's significantly better than what we got from the catching position this past year and what we'll get from the Caratini and Feliciano/Henry combo we have currently. 

 

[Brewcrew82]

6 minutes ago, brewmann04 said:

Just sign Vasquez 

We may not have a choice. Some of the bigger markets are sniffing around on Vazquez. 

[Hopper]

2 hours ago, Underachiever said:

Can someone explain why Jansen is brought up a lot? Is it known the Jays want to trade him? Is it just this board wishful thinking? I'm genuinely asking; don't pay attention like a lot of you do. Thanks.

The majority of time, it is the same poster beating the Jansen drum, who seems to be willing to give up the farm for him because he is a WI boy.

The fact he is from WI should play no part in what we have o give up to get him.  

And PS.  I actually coached against Jansen when he was in little league.  I think it would be cool to have him as a Brewer, but not at the inflated cost that some think it will cost to make that happen.

 

[Brewcrew82]

1 hour ago, Hopper said:

The majority of time, it is the same poster beating the Jansen drum, who seems to be willing to give up the farm for him because he is a WI boy.

The fact he is from WI should play no part in what we have o give up to get him.  

And PS.  I actually coached against Jansen when he was in little league.  I think it would be cool to have him as a Brewer, but not at the inflated cost that some think it will cost to make that happen.

 

LOL. Cute little spin job. I never said I was willing to give up the farm for him. And I never said we should get him BECAUSE he's from Wisconsin. Only that I'd be willing to meet the price on BTV, which would require us to part with a Mitchell. And that him being from Wisconsin would be beneficial in trying to get him extended for an extra year or two so we don't lose him after 2 years and to help form a bridge to Quero (hopefully).

[Brewcrew82]

I'd actually prefer Murphy or Kirk to Jansen, but those guys would cost significantly more. If you want to see what giving up the farm looks like...

[jay87shot]

What about Austin Nola (or Luis Campusano), the Pads are said to be looking at Vazquez and other catching. Nola seems like he would a solid pair with Caratini (both with Pads in spring training). Nola has 3 years remaining and I doubt would cost a huge return. Campusano would cost more and has less of a guarantee of being a solid C (with much higher ceiling).

I've also brought up MJ Melendez a bunch before, he is blocked by Perez and our organization would be a perfect place for him. He was trash defensively but I think we could right that ship with our C track record.

One more name could be Mike Zunino, he was awful last year, but hit 33 HR with a 136 ops+. For a cheap 1 year deal with an option we could do worse.

[jay87shot]

8 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

I'd actually prefer Murphy or Kirk to Jansen, but those guys would cost significantly more. If you want to see what giving up the farm looks like...

If we end up trading on of Willy, Burnes, or Woody I could see us going after Murphy or Kirk (or Moreno). 

Say the Dodgers offer us a 4 (or 3 top 100) player package with 2 strong pitching prospects we can't refuse for Willy then I would turn our OF depth into a catcher.

Say we get Miller, Pepiot, and a piece or two for Adames, then send Mitchell/Weimer, Ruiz, and a pitcher of A's choose (throw in Huira) for Murphy (and maybe a reliever or Tony Kemp).

[DR28]

1 hour ago, jay87shot said:

What about Austin Nola (or Luis Campusano), the Pads are said to be looking at Vazquez and other catching. Nola seems like he would a solid pair with Caratini (both with Pads in spring training). Nola has 3 years remaining and I doubt would cost a huge return. Campusano would cost more and has less of a guarantee of being a solid C (with much higher ceiling).

I've also brought up MJ Melendez a bunch before, he is blocked by Perez and our organization would be a perfect place for him. He was trash defensively but I think we could right that ship with our C track record.

One more name could be Mike Zunino, he was awful last year, but hit 33 HR with a 136 ops+. For a cheap 1 year deal with an option we could do worse.

Royals arent trading MJ, sounds like he'll be playing LF when he isnt behind the plate.

[DR28]

Anyone catch Counsell's interview yesterday? Pretty sure he admitted Hader trade was a mistake.