Packers 2023 Discussion Thread

[young guns]

Rodgers trade done according to shefter.

 

1st swap, their earlier of their 2s, their 6th, and a conditional 2nd next year, which becomes a first if he plays 65% of the snaps, for Rodgers and our 5th

[Oxy]

Good enough.  Basically a 1st and a 2nd for Rodgers, with some other swaps in there.

[homer]

With pick #s

[homer]

Schefter has it different. Sure hope they got that 2023 2nd round pick:

 

[KeithStone53151]

Yeah, pick 42 obviously completely changes the valuation. Overall this seems like a pretty reasonable compromise based on what the reported offers/asks were...although the Jets didn't protect themselves from a scenario where Rodgers only plays 1 year.

[PeaveyFury]

11 minutes ago, homer said:

With pick #s

Breer has followed up noting 42 is also included.

[homer]

Once the Jets traded Elijah Moore for the additional 2nd round pick, this seemed like the way it could go. 

[wallus]

Great return for the Packers. Guys that said the Jets had all of the leverage took a big L.

[Matt Breen]

I'm good with this. Glad to have it done.

[brewcrewdue80]

 Finally the saga is done.  Draft value gained is about #33/34. So the 1st pick in 2nd rd.  Kinda lame we had to throw in the 5th but maybe that changed the 2024 narrative if Rodgers didn't play that season GB should return some kind of 2025 pick.  65pct of the plays I assume is offensive snaps?  Or plays that a QB is used. Seems easier than the condition of division winning or making the playoffs to get the 1st in 24. He could miss 4-5games now that are losses that improve that 1st rd pick.  And obviously if he doesn't play 65pct, that 2nd is going to be higher.

[Fear The Chorizo]

If Rodgers takes >65% of their snaps, next year's pick the Packers get back is another 1st, plus the 2nd and moving up two slots with to #13 for this year's 1st?

This is a pretty solid return I'd think even fans wanting to retroactively deal Rodgers to the 2022 Broncos wanted, and it also clears any longterm cap ramifactions of GB's books after 2023.

 

[wallus]

Thrilled that whatever Rodgers does in the offseason (will he play or won't he play) will mean absolutely nothing to the Packers.

[bjkrautk]

2 minutes ago, wallus said:

Thrilled that whatever Rodgers does in the offseason (will he play or won't he play) will mean absolutely nothing to the Packers.

Honestly, whether Aaron plays in 2024 will have more to do with how he likes playing for the Jets in 2023....which is honestly something we have no control over.

 

The compensation is multiple high picks, which should increase the chances of filling multiple holes in the roster (TE, Safety, Edge, long-term need at OT).  Zero cave-in by the Packers front office, which is nice.  Would not be at all surprised if they used the extra 2nd as part of a deal to move up and get the TE they covet, particularly if "their guy" falls into the mid-to-late 20s.

 

There's also something to be said about the finality.  I will always be thankful to #12 for what he did in a Packers' uniform, but I did not have a high degree of confidence he could get the team back to a Super Bowl in the next few years.

[SeaBass]

Great deal. Why it took 40 extra days to complete is something I'd be interested to hear even though it doesn't matter. Just seemed like a fairly unnecessary delay.

[GAME05]

The pick swap makes it a just-slightly higher return than I was expecting.

Jets protecting themselves on the chance Rodgers gets injured and they have to give up a high pick, which I guess represents that "Jets want to avoid another Denver situation" insurance.

Now time to use that #13 and our next four seconds to trade up and take a QB, because that would be hilarious.

[homer]

3 minutes ago, GAME05 said:

The pick swap makes it a just-slightly higher return than I was expecting.

Jets protecting themselves on the chance Rodgers gets injured and they have to give up a high pick, which I guess represents that "Jets want to avoid another Denver situation" insurance.

Now time to use that #13 and our next four seconds to trade up and take a QB, because that would be hilarious.

I would laugh very hard if one of the top QBs fell to 13.

[adambr2]

I expected the pick next year to be conditional, but I expected more difficult conditions to receive a 1st. Something like a 3rd, but a 2nd if Rodgers plays in 65% of the snaps, and a 1st if he wins the division or plays in the conference championship.

There's no reason the Packers won't get an extra 1st in 2024 barring injury. Great deal. 

[adambr2]

45 minutes ago, SeaBass said:

Great deal. Why it took 40 extra days to complete is something I'd be interested to hear even though it doesn't matter. Just seemed like a fairly unnecessary delay.

My guess is just no urgency. We knew the Jets had no Plan B and they knew we didn't have other suitors and weren't going to bring him back. So there was no reason for anyone to panic buy or panic sell a month ago. 

With the draft so close, the urgency was there. We didn't want to lose out on a top 45 pick this year and the Jets knew if we didn't get a pick this year this would get a lot harder to get done and we'd no longer have much of a timeline to not want to drag our feet. 

[igor67]

65% is low enough of a threshold were there is a highly unusual chance that we earn the 1st round pick, and it ends up being fairly high. If they are slow to gel on offense maybe they are only 7-5 after 12 games followed by an injury for example. But in the realm of reasonable expectations it's a solid return and clearing the cap and being done with it is nice this year.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

If they aren't really good that 65% is going to be interesting. If they are middling, say  6-8 at some point but have a chance for a playoff spot, it'll be interesting to see how they play that hand. 

[adambr2]

1 hour ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

If they aren't really good that 65% is going to be interesting. If they are middling, say  6-8 at some point but have a chance for a playoff spot, it'll be interesting to see how they play that hand. 

Well at 6-8 he's already played 80+% of the season snaps, assuming no injuries. 

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Ok whatever, 5-6 😁

[adambr2]

2 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

Ok whatever, 5-6 😁

4-7 would be interesting. That's about 64.7% but could wind up on either side of 65.

My assumption is that they'd still go for it, they have too much invested not to, unless Rodgers was somehow so disastrous that they had a good excuse to switch.

The Jets have a pretty good defense and some good skill players on offense so I doubt this is a factor though. 

[homer]

Has there been a published update on GB's cap situation? I guess they can't do that until deal is final final.

[Fear The Chorizo]

11 hours ago, adambr2 said:

4-7 would be interesting. That's about 64.7% but could wind up on either side of 65.

My assumption is that they'd still go for it, they have too much invested not to, unless Rodgers was somehow so disastrous that they had a good excuse to switch.

The Jets have a pretty good defense and some good skill players on offense so I doubt this is a factor though. 

They also play in a loaded conference and aren't even the favorites to win their own division, plus their out of division schedule includes NFC East and AFC West opponents this year.

They are going to regret this move, but im not feeling sorry for them