Brewers acquire Canha

[JefferyLeonard]

1 minute ago, JefferyLeonard said:

Well played Arnold, Arnold playing checkers, the Cubs of all teams playing chess

 

[82brewcrew82]

2 minutes ago, JefferyLeonard said:

 

Cool, don't have to face him the next three games.

[IntentionalHBP1]

Just now, 82brewcrew82 said:

Cool, don't have to face him the next three games.

We weren’t going to anyways

[sveumrules]

1 minute ago, JefferyLeonard said:

 

If the Cubs are playing chess why are they looking up at us in the standings (again) despite a $65M edge in OD payroll?

[JefferyLeonard]

Just now, sveumrules said:

If the Cubs are playing chess why are they looking up at us in the standings (again) despite a $65M edge in OD payroll?

Oh Cripes, you really don't get it do you? Do you ever even have it in you to not fawn over every single move the Brewers make and try to use your fancy "analytic" BS to justify everything they do? How about not being a schill for the organization once and call a spade a spade. They aren't above criticism.

The Cubs are playing Chess because...wait for it, they are actually "going for it". They aren't in the playoffs now, but they are sure trying. They get one bat, and that bat by itself is a better acquisition then the two the Brewers have gotten. 

[True Blue Brew Crew]

Cubs gave up their #14 and #16 prospects which is a stiffer price than what the Brewers parted with for Canha who conceivably could outhit Candelario down the stretch. I'd much rather make the Canha deal than what the Cubs just did.

[brewerfan82]

2 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

If the Cubs are playing chess why are they looking up at us in the standings (again) despite a $65M edge in OD payroll?

Obviously because they just got a guy that's projected for 106 wRC+ the remainder of the season and the bum we just got is only projected at 113 wRC+ moving forward...

I would have loved to get Candelario, but posters thinking he would have been "going for it" while Canha and Santana are non-needle movers is a really odd stance to take.

[owbc]

Just now, True Blue Brew Crew said:

Cubs gave up their #14 and #16 prospects which is a stiffer price than what the Brewers parted with for Canha who conceivably could outhit Candelario down the stretch. I'd much rather make the Canha deal than what the Cubs just did.

Canha has better career numbers than Candelaro. 

[Jopal78]

8 minutes ago, 82brewcrew82 said:

Explain to me how those two are not massive upgrades over the current production at 1B and DH.

“Massive” no. An upgrade from bad to mediocre, sure.

The  again what playoff team bolsters the middle of the their lineup with a collection of sun .730 OPS hitters. 
 

It’s a team without a direction, they won’t make the moves to narrow the talent gap between them and the stronger teams in their league, and they won’t sell their valuable assets to try to field a stronger team in the future. Just content at  being “good enough” to maybe win a bad division.  

[HarveysWBs]

Just now, JefferyLeonard said:

Oh Cripes, you really don't get it do you? Do you ever even have it in you to not fawn over every single move the Brewers make and try to use your fancy "analytic" BS to justify everything they do? How about not being a schill for the organization once and call a spade a spade. They aren't above criticism.

The Cubs are playing Chess because...wait for it, they are actually "going for it". They aren't in the playoffs now, but they are sure trying. They get one bat, and that bat by itself is a better acquisition then the two the Brewers have gotten. 

Standings and payroll = analytics?  And I recall you being rather adamant that people cannot predict the future, but you seem awfully sure Candelario will return better performance than Santana + Canha.  Two months isn't a very long time to evaluate--I wouldn't be so sure about that.

[bensheeps]

Thoughts on what the corresponding roster move will be?

A.  The easiest is to send Perkins to AAA

B.  Or, is it time to jettison Tyrone Taylor with another RH bat added to the mix

C.  Or, do they delay the move by sending Joey Wiemer down for a couple of weeks (work on his approach and get an additional year)?

[homer]

2 minutes ago, JefferyLeonard said:

Oh Cripes, you really don't get it do you? Do you ever even have it in you to not fawn over every single move the Brewers make and try to use your fancy "analytic" BS to justify everything they do? How about not being a schill for the organization once and call a spade a spade. They aren't above criticism.

The Cubs are playing Chess because...wait for it, they are actually "going for it". They aren't in the playoffs now, but they are sure trying. They get one bat, and that bat by itself is a better acquisition then the two the Brewers have gotten. 

you can dislike a move or an opinion but you have to engage with posters respectfully or you won't be posting 

[SRB]

Canha makes us better though I'll be interested to see how they plan on utilizing him. As with the Santana trade, I like it in a vacuum but we still need a big move to make a real difference.

[82brewcrew82]

3 minutes ago, bensheeps said:

Thoughts on what the corresponding roster move will be?

A.  The easiest is to send Perkins to AAA

B.  Or, is it time to jettison Tyrone Taylor with another RH bat added to the mix

C.  Or, do they delay the move by sending Joey Wiemer down for a couple of weeks (work on his approach and get an additional year)?

Oooh, careful with that loose Weimer talk.

[wildcat2237]

3 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

“Massive” no. An upgrade from bad to mediocre, sure.

The  again what playoff team bolsters the middle of the their lineup with a collection of sun .730 OPS hitters. 
 

It’s a team without a direction, they won’t make the moves to narrow the talent gap between them and the stronger teams in their league, and they won’t sell their valuable assets to try to field a stronger team in the future. Just content at  being “good enough” to maybe win a bad division.  

I agree with every last word of this post. Completly rudderless. Not "going for it" in the last years of Brunes and Woodruff, and not selling them in order to begin a light rebuild. 

[82brewcrew82]

4 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

“Massive” no. An upgrade from bad to mediocre, sure.

The  again what playoff team bolsters the middle of the their lineup with a collection of sun .730 OPS hitters. 
 

It’s a team without a direction, they won’t make the moves to narrow the talent gap between them and the stronger teams in their league, and they won’t sell their valuable assets to try to field a stronger team in the future. Just content at  being “good enough” to maybe win a bad division.  

I would say doubling (or better) production is a massive improvement.

[sveumrules]

3 minutes ago, JefferyLeonard said:

Oh Cripes, you really don't get it do you? Do you ever even have it in you to not fawn over every single move the Brewers make and try to use your fancy "analytic" BS to justify everything they do? How about not being a schill for the organization once and call a spade a spade. They aren't above criticism.

The Cubs are playing Chess because...wait for it, they are actually "going for it". They aren't in the playoffs now, but they are sure trying. They get one bat, and that bat by itself is a better acquisition then the two the Brewers have gotten. 

Wins and payroll are “analytics” now? I thought that was about as old school as it gets.

The Brewers have gotten league worst production at 1B/DH so far this year and have made two moves in an attempt to upgrade production at those spots.

Sorry they didn’t trade for your preferred dice roll.

[jackmadden]

Canha and Santana both seem better than what we are trotting out there and didn't cost a lot. I get that people want to make splashy moves, but those moves aren't guaranteed to win a World Series.

I'm old enough to remember when the Cubs traded for Jose Quintana and some people thought that the Sterns was a moron for not trading Brinson to get the best pitcher on the market. Not sure that trade worked out for the Cubs like they thought it would.

[HarveysWBs]

Just now, wildcat2237 said:

I agree with every last word of this post. Completly rudderless. Not "going for it" in the last years of Brunes and Woodruff, and not selling them in order to begin a light rebuild. 

Ok, but Burnes and Woody aren't free agents after this year, so this seems slightly premature in its conclusion.

[Jopal78]

10 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

If the Cubs are playing chess why are they looking up at us in the standings (again) despite a $65M edge in OD payroll?

Lame. How come the Rays have more wins than the Brewers with a smaller payroll?

[bensheeps]

2 minutes ago, 82brewcrew82 said:

Oooh, careful with that loose Weimer talk.

Oh, I know.  There was a reason I listed it 3rd and why I made sure my wife wasn't over my shoulder as I posted. 😀

[wildcat2237]

Just now, HarveysWBs said:

Ok, but Burnes and Woody aren't free agents after this year, so this seems slightly premature in its conclusion.

You dont have to sell at the deadline before FA. Do that and teams know your against a wall and have to trade. Reasons to do it this year:

a. Its an extreme sellers market. 

b. More control = better return. 

c. Avoid a possible injury next year. 

[sveumrules]

3 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

Lame. How come the Rays have more wins than the Brewers with a smaller payroll?

Because the Rays are the best run small market in baseball, instead of only 2nd or 3rd best like the Brewers.

If the Cubs were actually playing chess to our checkers (they aren’t) and have a $65M edge on payroll (they do) they wouldn’t be looking up at us in the standings again (they are).

[JefferyLeonard]

9 minutes ago, HarveysWBs said:

Standings and payroll = analytics?  And I recall you being rather adamant that people cannot predict the future, but you seem awfully sure Candelario will return better performance than Santana + Canha.  Two months isn't a very long time to evaluate--I wouldn't be so sure about that.

I just want to see them TRY, if it fails, so what? I would give them massive credit for finally pushing the chips to the middle of the table and giving it a shot. Not this "half assed" stuff they always do.

[HarveysWBs]

2 minutes ago, wildcat2237 said:

You dont have to sell at the deadline before FA. Do that and teams know your against a wall and have to trade. Reasons to do it this year:

a. Its an extreme sellers market. 

b. More control = better return. 

c. Avoid a possible injury next year. 

Right, but there's still an offseason...  I don't see the need to get dramatic and say they are definitely waiting until next year's deadline, or not going to trade them at all.