Roster moves today

[markedman5]

Seems we are heavy on outfielders now…….I’m surprised Perkins wasn’t sent down….but what do I know?

 

[BrewerFan]

Eh, you just play Anderson at 3B. You've got Adames, Turang, Monasterio, Miller who can cover SS/2B. 

The later 2 can play 3rd with Anderson. Miller, Santana can play 1st. With the OF, depending on who's pitching, you can put Yelly out there or Taylor so you're not putting too much strain on his elbow.

 

I'm still REALLY confused why they're just not giving HIura ABs when there is literally nothing to lose BUT his rights if he doesn't hit and you'll likely non-tender him next year. So...just stll confused on that one. 

[markedman5]

Miller is in Nashville now

[jay87shot]

1 hour ago, markedman5 said:

Seems we are heavy on outfielders now…….I’m surprised Perkins wasn’t sent down….but what do I know?

 

With Cahna, Yeli, Frelick, Weimer, Anderson, Perkins, and Taylor I think the OF is covered. We only have 4 guys who can play 2B, SS, and 3B in Turang, Adames. Anderson, and Montesterio.  It will definitely make pinch hitting the non starter hard at least until the very end of the game. Perkins, Taylor, and Weimer (just for 2 weeks to get his extra year of contol) all could/should go down.

VS RHP

C Contreras, 1B Santana, 2B Turang, SS Willy, 3B Monty, LF Yeli, CF Frelick, RF Anderson/Canha DH Canha/Anderson (No more Weimer VS. RHP)

VS LHP

C Contreras, 1B Santana, 2B Monty, SS Adames, 3B Anderson, Lf Yeli, CF Weimer, RF Taylor/Perkins, DH Canha

[Jopal78]

1 hour ago, BrewerFan said:

 

 

I'm still REALLY confused why they're just not giving HIura ABs when there is literally nothing to lose BUT his rights if he doesn't hit and you'll likely non-tender him next year. So...just stll confused on that one. 

That nobody wanted Hiura at the deadline and especially in a situation where the Brewers were actively trying to cut extra payroll (Urias) for players no longer in their plans;  seems to indicate nobody in the game believes he’s a major league hitter. 

[Robocaller]

2 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

That nobody wanted Hiura at the deadline and especially in a situation where the Brewers were actively trying to cut extra payroll (Urias) for players no longer in their plans;  seems to indicate nobody in the game believes he’s a major league hitter. 

No it just means no one wanted to give what the Brewers wanted to get. Unless you find some insider who said the Brewers were actively trying to shop Hiura, you don't have the basis for your assertion.

 

[markedman5]

I think it’s a fairly safe assumption that Hiura will be non tendered in 2 months? Would you agree?

If so…….I seriously doubt the Brewers were asking for much…….so nobody was willing to give up basically anything of value for him doesn’t seem like a wild assumption to me.

But no I don’t have any insider knowledge to corroborate.

[Jopal78]

11 minutes ago, Robocaller said:

No it just means no one wanted to give what the Brewers wanted to get. Unless you find some insider who said the Brewers were actively trying to shop Hiura, you don't have the basis for your assertion.

 

Occam’s razor. They gave Urias away for a warm body, they released Brosseau so he could pursue an opportunity in Japan,  yet they still have Hiura. No inside information needed only logic..

[rickh150]

And idiots for hitting Cutch DH against righties in September with Hiura and his .949 OPS in about 98 PAs and a months worth (26games) of games there… the idea of playing the hot hand or not jerking one around in the lineup, in the field, from AAA to MLB, or in and out of the order did not or does not apply to Hiura. 
So good in so many ways our Brewers… but the emperor is naked with DH strategy. Just compare numbers.

[Robocaller]

1 hour ago, Jopal78 said:

Occam’s razor. They gave Urias away for a warm body, they released Brosseau so he could pursue an opportunity in Japan,  yet they still have Hiura. No inside information needed only logic..

I was applying Occam's razor, you were applying your preconceived notions. 

[nate82]

19 minutes ago, rickh150 said:

And idiots for hitting Cutch DH against righties in September with Hiura and his .949 OPS in about 98 PAs and a months worth (26games) of games there… the idea of playing the hot hand or not jerking one around in the lineup, in the field, from AAA to MLB, or in and out of the order did not or does not apply to Hiura. 

Hiura played enough games in September in 2022.  He played 9 games at 1B, 7 games at DH, 1 game in LF and 1 at 2B.  Hiura put up a .167/.227/.283 for a 41 wRC+ in September compared to McCutchen who put up a .202/.330/.357 for a 97 wRC+ in September.  Hiura got enough chances in September and he failed at doing anything positive with them and not it wasn't because he was being jerked around he just sucked.

You may want to look things up because that is just a complete dumb statement to make. 

[BrewerFan]

4 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

That nobody wanted Hiura at the deadline and especially in a situation where the Brewers were actively trying to cut extra payroll (Urias) for players no longer in their plans;  seems to indicate nobody in the game believes he’s a major league hitter. 

Pat Murphy's comments suggest that's not true.

His OPS from last year that'd be 3rd on this years team suggests that's definitely not true.

 

[Team Canada]

Let's not turn this into another interminable Hiura debate.

[Oxy]

Hiura was already exposed to waivers and got thru... nobody could give him a spot on their 26 man roster for free, so why the Crew would be asking more than bag of balls for him is beyond me (unless they target him for a September call-up and think he might outperform guys enough to have a DH role in the playoffs...maybe?...Hopefully?).  Tyrone Taylor is next for this DFA experiment. Blake Perkins has TWO options left after this year and is a switch hitter which makes TT a non-tendered goner.  Abraham Toro probably as well.  I'm surprised they weren't somehow packaged with Luis Urias in order get another lottery ticket or two...

[rickh150]

6 hours ago, nate82 said:

Hiura played enough games in September in 2022.  He played 9 games at 1B, 7 games at DH, 1 game in LF and 1 at 2B.  Hiura put up a .167/.227/.283 for a 41 wRC+ in September compared to McCutchen who put up a .202/.330/.357 for a 97 wRC+ in September.  Hiura got enough chances in September and he failed at doing anything positive with them and not it wasn't because he was being jerked around he just sucked.

You may want to look things up because that is just a complete dumb statement to make. 

Jerked around for the numbers he produced…he hit  in every spot in the order in 2022… every spot in the batting order.  Hiura was hitting .805 OPS on July 10 when he was sent down for a month.

September….4 positions, 4 spots in lineup, only twice playing in same position back to back days. He went 7 days and 5 days without an at bat, and then 5 of the games he pinch hit or left the game early.  49 At Bats…like two weeks of Adames ABs…  not regular in any way.

He didn’t hit well overall during stretches and that is fair… but again jerked around where Cutch was under .700 OPS getting regular ABs at DH.  

 

[Outlander]

Pitching staff is pretty solid right now, Will be interesting to see who the odd man odd is with Woodruff back, or who gets injured. Can't imagine they want to option Uribe or DFA Mejia with the way he is pitching.

[Jake McKibbin]

10 minutes ago, Outlander said:

Pitching staff is pretty solid right now, Will be interesting to see who the odd man odd is with Woodruff back, or who gets injured. Can't imagine they want to option Uribe or DFA Mejia with the way he is pitching.

I was wondering if they'll option Colin Rea, though I think he's been really quite good as of late. His issue seems to be a mental one, he's regularly been good then been hammered for a home run with men on base.

I could see them optioning Uribe potentially, though could also option Peguero I believe if they want to let him recover a bit given his innings workload and how he performed in July, then Houser to bullpen

 

[Playing Catch]

Where's Tyler Black? No listed transaction. Not in Biloxi's lineup yesterday. Did I miss something? Perhaps he's en route to MKE?

[Jake McKibbin]

19 minutes ago, Playing Catch said:

Where's Tyler Black? No listed transaction. Not in Biloxi's lineup yesterday. Did I miss something? Perhaps he's en route to MKE?

Maybe just rested, he's actually cooled off a little at the plate over the last week to 10 days from memory, so likely just an off day against a lefty.

Given the injury issues elsewhere I'd hope it's not that

I think barring injuries, he's not getting a call up now, though Maybe if two of the more regular DH's go down. That's the only scenario I can see after the additions the Brewers made to fortify that spot at the deadline, and with Tellez back in under two weeks

[LouisEly]

53 minutes ago, Jake McKibbin said:

I was wondering if they'll option Colin Rea, though I think he's been really quite good as of late. His issue seems to be a mental one, he's regularly been good then been hammered for a home run with men on base.

Given the upcoming off days on 8/10, 8/14, 8/21, and 8/24, my money is on Rea as they won't need a 6th starter until 8/20 - Miley on four days rest - but with an off day on 8/21 they can make 8/20 a de-facto bullpen day and have Miley only go 3-4 innings.  Then they won't need a 6th starter until 8/30, but with an off-day on 8/31 they can do the same thing and have a bullpen day and/or have Woody go only 3-4 innings and/or call up Rea for a spot start.

Rea is starting today, and then his next start is scheduled to be 8/10, so it aligns perfectly with him being sent down.

[Jopal78]

16 hours ago, Robocaller said:

I was applying Occam's razor, you were applying your preconceived notions. 

Ok, you’re right there probably has been a top secret plan all year (while the Brewers scuffle along in a tight three way division race,) to pull Kest Daddy out of their trick bag just in time to cinch the Division; and with the skills he learned in AAA this year, absolutely lay waste to the opposing MLB pitchers as a one man wrecking crew to in October 🙄

[Bulldogboy]

Toro seems to have been kinda given the shaft by the crew to date. Small sample of course but he's done the job. Hopefully gets a call in September. Brewers bench has been blah all year and he's a nice piece. Guessing Miller gets it over him though. 

[areacodes]

4 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

Ok, you’re right there probably has been a top secret plan all year (while the Brewers scuffle along in a tight three way division race,) to pull Kest Daddy out of their trick bag just in time to cinch the Division; and with the skills he learned in AAA this year, absolutely lay waste to the opposing MLB pitchers as a one man wrecking crew to in October 🙄

What in the strawman are you talking about?

[BrewerFan]

1 hour ago, areacodes said:

What in the strawman are you talking about?

I think what we have here is the belief that Hiura could be an upgrade over the likes of Winker and his sub .600 OPS somehow goes into Jopal's mind and comes out as 'he will be better than roided up Bonds.' Pretty much the same thing, right? The "Might as well, we're really bad at DH and "absolutely lay waste to the opposing MLB pitchers as a one man wrecking crew to in October," are pretty much the same things...right?

Oh, and if a player goes through waivers and is not claimed...they will never perform..,.as long as you ignore Justin Turner, David Ortiz, Nelson Cruz, Joey Bautista....etc....

[Oxy]

3 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

Oh, and if a player goes through waivers and is not claimed...they will never perform..,.as long as you ignore Justin Turner, David Ortiz, Nelson Cruz, Joey Bautista....etc....

He may very well perform like those guys...but his trade value right now is nil.