2023-24 Offseason Ideas

[jay87shot]

I know it's way to early but who doesn't love trade and free agent ideas for next year.

[nate82]

I think it will be a quiet off season for the Brewers.  I don't expect Burnes or Woodruff to be traded maybe on Adames. 

Obviously the Brewers won't be in on Ohtani and there really isn't a bat other than Ohtani that would be worth a long term contract either.  Pitching wise the only good options are Ohtani, Stroman and Urias after that it is a bunch of meh. 

It should be a good off season to trade pieces but I just don't see the Brewers doing this and I believe they will just keep Burnes and Woodruff.  I think they trade Lauer and Houser for lottery tickets but I think that is all the Brewers will do this off season. 

[TheeAirbender]

Personally, I think 23-24 will be kind of a transitionary year. Burnes likely gone this offseason, Woodruff too if they can't come to an extension, play out Adames and if he's good you can move him at the deadline. Work on getting young arms back in trades and let them play. Hopefully see debuts of Black, Chourio, Miz, Gasser etc. if they haven't happened in '23. I know some wouldn't be happy with this but I think it's the best long term move they can make. 

[BrewerFan]

I have a very unpopular opinion for this off-season...which is fine. One has already been shot down by many...but it gets us to a place where I think we're more suited to contend. Obviously these are all dependent on the players agree, etc..

1-Trading Burnes
I can't lose the best pitcher we've ever developed for nothing.
1A-CONSIDER trading Devin Williams. I'd be more inclined to package him with Burnes OR Woodruff if it'd net us say...2 top 40 prospects+ 2 in the 80-150 range with the priority being getting a young, power arm in AA, hopefully two.
I'm thinking Rangers, Rangers, Mets.

I'm thinking Owen White, Rocker, Winn, Mark Church. That's a big return, but White has TOR type stuff, Church a HL reliever. Winn has the big stuff and spin rates and is the type of pitcher the Brewers seem like they could do something with.
Rocker is out with TJ, so he'd be back mid-late '24 and ready to go by '25 and hopefully a quick mover most likely. 

2-Woodruff
I'm offering the Castillo extension. I'm showing him all the players we've got coming up+Burnes return and putting 6/110 on the table. Maybe the shoulder injury convinces him...probably not. If not, I play it out, see what I can get from the Pads when they're 5 out at the deadline or a desperate Mets team that very possibly adds a whole lot of talent and possibly Ohtani.
NYM-Ronny Mauricio SS/3B, Blake Tidwell, Dominic Hamel(hugh spin rates) and or Joel Diaz. 
Feels like we may have to add something. Chaffin option could be picked up if he throws well and could be added to that trade.

Philly with Painter...not really worried about waiting for a power arm going through TJ. McGarry could be an option. Abel. All have warts, but you wouldn't trade an ace with 6 years for one with a single year if they were flawless. So we need to rely on the pitching lab.

3-Trying to trade Yelich
I know most people were against this(I accidentally voted against it after making the poll). But I think it was probably 65-35 against. But I'm looking at a guy who's going to be 33 years old. He's had back issues. He's always hit ball hard, he's walked a lot. We were reconciled to the fact that we'd have to just deal with a .250 slap hitter who draws a lot of walks. A year ago we'd have loved to get out from under that deal...

I get he's back to his MVP form...but for how long? Does his back flare up again? Or he just regresses? Best case when we signed him, his last couple years were gonna be burdensome.]

Return would be...a couple of 19 year old's like Yophery Rodriguez types. But the team taking him takes the 22M per and the deferred money. 

4-Sign Chourio to a long term deal. 
Wander Franco got 11/182. Julio Rodriguez got 12/209

10 years 180 and then a couple of POs for 25M a year. Team control from 20-32. Give him a 15M signing bonus

5-Frelick and Wiemer 8 year 50M type extensions, 2 option years 10M....in that range.
Turang 6/30 2 TOs for 10M

6-Decline Cahan option, Wilson's obviously, Chaffin-depending on how the season goes, but probably. 

 

All this with the aim to position ourselves...similar to how the Os were coming into this year. Low payroll, lot of positional talent and a YOUNG team.

 

Our payroll would be obscenely low. In the ~60M range. Guys like Lauer would be non-tendered or extended for say...4M and 6M TO. Houser a little less. 

 

Lineup
Frelick-LF
Chourio-CF
Contreras-C
Rowdy-1B
Adames-SS-Another possible deadline trade. I'd shift Turang to SS, then Monastario to 2B if he bounces back.
Black-3B -I'm gonna give him a shot at 3B first and then we'll see how it works with Tellez who'll be on the block at the deadline.
CJ Crown-DH
Turang-2B
Wiemer-RF

The OF is doesn't particularly matter to me. We have 4 CFers. 

Bench
Mitchell-OF
Monastario-Utility
Owen Miller-Utility
Caritini-He's worth keeping around @2/10 until Quero is ready and another valuable trade chip

Rotation

Peralta
Ashby
Gasser
Houser
Lauer
Rea
Miley-2/14M TO for 2nd year for 8M 1.5 buyout

AAA
White(Tex), Tidwell(NYM), Carlos Rodriguez, Hammel(NYM) Small, McKendry

Let them battle it out

BP
CL-Uribe-Just get there right now
SU-Payamps
7th-Pegeuro
Milner
Breese Wilson
Trevor McGill
Church

 

 

I like lots of bites at the apple, but this is the most minor of "rebuilds." Take the money saved and use it toward the extensions, clear the books for the future, go young, lets these guys get their feet wet. If you know you're not gonna compete ahead of time...which we're not likely to without Burnes/Woody/Williams and Yelich.

 

Hopefully by 2025 we've got a loaded offense, a couple of elite TOR arms like Misiorowski/White/Hamell/Tidwell, whoever we can develop and we have 6 positions in the lineup locked, a top 5 pick and one quick little hiccup before we're back competing.

 

I know, people are going to hate this, but I'd rather go for the whole damn apple in '25, '26, '27, then keep taking nibbles.

But that's what I'd do. And again, the CJ Cron, Chaffin, Adames players are the types you move at the deadline.

 

Heading into next year we should have an elite system, even if we graduate Chourio.
The 6-7 players we acquire+the 3-4 solid prospects at the deadline, plus guys like Wilkin, Boeve, Pratt, Knoth, Misi, Quero, Bontini, Lara, Guilarte, etc...this is the most likely way to winning a WS in this decade IMO.

 

As for the fans who are going to leave, if you have a ROY type phenom and you give him a 200M deal and then you lock up fan favorites Frelick, Wiemer...Uribe, Misiorowski in the near future, the fans will come back. A new commitment to keeping oru stars here long-term, something we failed to even attempt with Burnes, Woodruff. 

 

Again, I know it won't happen, but this is what I'd do. Lots of teams have taken a one year period to...reload, moved off some expiring deals and used their development staff and their strengths to re-load. In our case, it's our ability to take pitchers with good stuff and help them maximize it.

Keep the payroll in the ~85M range with a big chunk going to Chourio and the signing bonus to mitigate his future salaries and players we intent on trading to bring in more talent with the expectations that money goes back in the payroll. 

[wibadgers23]

I could see the Rangers going hard after Burnes this offseason and they have some pretty good prospects in their system, particularly pitchers. Seems to be a good match.

[BrewerFan]

1 hour ago, wibadgers23 said:

I could see the Rangers going hard after Burnes this offseason and they have some pretty good prospects in their system, particularly pitchers. Seems to be a good match.

LOL...that's a nice way of saying you think the rest of the idea is silly!

'I like that one very small part of that long, ridiculous and incredibly unlikely off-season plan you had.'

🤣😂

Lets just stick with the Rangers and Brewers. Is the idea of packaging Burnes and Williams crazy to you? I kinda struggle with the idea that a team is gonna trade us a top ~45 pitching prospect for one year of Burnes. This is without all the talent from the draft included, but a guy White who has a big fastball, and the potential for a full 4 pitch repertoire, it seems unlikely.

If you tack on a lock down closer?

And we are at that point with Williams where we'll have two years left after this year. So if you trade Burnes, I feel like that makes it a much easier sell to get that top prospect and then a couple other arms.

 

[jay87shot]

I am OK with the idea of trading Williams for a massive haul. No to trading Yeli unless we got a big bat back, I get that it would be nice to get rid of him before declines at the end of the deal. However we really need him to keep some consistency in the lineup.

Burnes to NYY Jasson Dominguez to CWS and Eloy Jimenez (some cash as well) and Clarke Schmidt to Brewers

This way we get a needed bat and high upside mlb arm, the CWS get a high upside prospect and the Yanks add Burnes to Cole, Severino, and Rodon.

Williams to Texas, Arizona, or Dodgers 

I will say Williams to Dodgers for Gavin Stone/Emmett Sheehan/Bobby Miller/Ryan Pepiot, Alex Vesia, and Kyle Hurt

We get a rotation ready arm, back end reliever, and high upside prospect.

Nontender=Rowdy, Huira, Taylor, Lauer, Houser?/trade

Sign=Rhys Hoskins 3/45 (opt out after year 1), Chafin (decline option sign 1/5 with team option for 25, Jeimer Candelario 2/24 (team option)

We should have money to spend if we trade away guys and non-tender a bunch. Also extend Woody (maybe mid-season 5/100)

1)Frelick 2)Contreras 3)Yeli 4)Jimenez 5)Hoskins 6)Candelario 7)Adames 8)Weimer/Mitchell 9) Turang

Bench=Henry, Monty, Miller, Weimer/Mitchell

Rotation=Woody, Peralta, Ashby, Schmidt, Dodgers P, 

Pen=Payamps, Peguaro, Milner, Uribe, Wilson, Vesia, Chafin, Gasser (long man/6th starter)

I didn't check how much that puts our salary at but we would have 6 potential top of the rotation arms with Misi, Rodriguez, and Hurt ready at some point next year (potentially). We would have 6 quality bullpen arms with some good options to pick up the Williams slack. The lineup is crazy better although I admit I don't know how much Hoskins would want.

[BrewerFan]

6 hours ago, jay87shot said:

I am OK with the idea of trading Williams for a massive haul. No to trading Yeli unless we got a big bat back, I get that it would be nice to get rid of him before declines at the end of the deal. However we really need him to keep some consistency in the lineup.

Burnes to NYY Jasson Dominguez to CWS and Eloy Jimenez (some cash as well) and Clarke Schmidt to Brewers

This way we get a needed bat and high upside mlb arm, the CWS get a high upside prospect and the Yanks add Burnes to Cole, Severino, and Rodon.

Williams to Texas, Arizona, or Dodgers 

I will say Williams to Dodgers for Gavin Stone/Emmett Sheehan/Bobby Miller/Ryan Pepiot, Alex Vesia, and Kyle Hurt

We get a rotation ready arm, back end reliever, and high upside prospect.

Nontender=Rowdy, Huira, Taylor, Lauer, Houser?/trade

Sign=Rhys Hoskins 3/45 (opt out after year 1), Chafin (decline option sign 1/5 with team option for 25, Jeimer Candelario 2/24 (team option)

We should have money to spend if we trade away guys and non-tender a bunch. Also extend Woody (maybe mid-season 5/100)

1)Frelick 2)Contreras 3)Yeli 4)Jimenez 5)Hoskins 6)Candelario 7)Adames 8)Weimer/Mitchell 9) Turang

Bench=Henry, Monty, Miller, Weimer/Mitchell

Rotation=Woody, Peralta, Ashby, Schmidt, Dodgers P, 

Pen=Payamps, Peguaro, Milner, Uribe, Wilson, Vesia, Chafin, Gasser (long man/6th starter)

I didn't check how much that puts our salary at but we would have 6 potential top of the rotation arms with Misi, Rodriguez, and Hurt ready at some point next year (potentially). We would have 6 quality bullpen arms with some good options to pick up the Williams slack. The lineup is crazy better although I admit I don't know how much Hoskins would want.

Yeah, you're going in a very different direction than me. If they did this, I'd be alright with them keeping Burnes and just getting the QO for the two pitchers and maybe Adames if Woody didn't score.

This would require a heavy investment in the payroll though. I got about 100M with Yelly, Woodruff, Adames, Eloy, Hoskins, Chaffin and Canelario...but also a really young team and a lot of pre-arb players, so it's possible. 

I'd take that LAD deal in a heartbeat with any of those starters, but I think you might be getting back more for Williams than Burnes. That's a LOT of talent(I know it's one of those starters). LOL...the Padres are the only option. They need to replace Hader, right? Give us Lesko and Snelling!

 

No Chourio for you? Another year yet?

[mtsportsfan]

Thanks you guys for the great reads ! The knowledge of the minors , ours and other teams is astounding ! 

I'm a little old school , I don't want to trade anybody to teams within the conference unless the package is so overwhelming  or unless we don't think we will be competing for the playoffs for a year or two. That being said I think we will.

Trades Burnes , would love to keep him but we all know we can't afford him . the package we get should re stock our minors with players ready to contribute in a year or two!

Trade Adames , unfortunately his value is somewhat diminished , maybe there is a team out there that thinks they can fix his offense. Don't know what we can get for him.

Woody, I'd like to keep him and sign him at reasonable price , he hasn't been exactly reliable for the last two years but his veteran presence would be valuable for the young guys! 

Would love to either sign or trade for a solid third baseman , very tired of journeyman players.

Keep Yelich. Transition him to DH or first base . don't know if he can play first but I thought read that he had some experience there at one time.

Not sold on selling Williams. Are we still trying to compete for the NL central ? if not , take the best package and ride Uribe.

Don't know this but Chourio I think is not quite ready, let him play in AAA and see how he does, if  he tears the cover off the ball there then bring him up !

I like the future of this team , just kinda sucks that we couldn't take advantage of our pitching the last few years !

 

 

[Lathund]

Burnes is not signing an extension, so I'd trade him. I'd extend Woodruff if he was open to it. I'd probably lean towards keeping him even without an offseason extension, try to get one done anyway and offer the QO if not. Adames... depends on the extension chances and the cost. His statcast numbers are a lot better than the outcomes this year (in fact better than the previous years, although only slightly). So decent chance of turning it around, but also still a ~2 WAR player even in a big down year. Hugely popular player as well. Quite torn about what to do tbh. I'd be open for offers but they'd need to be good. 

Now, with plenty of incentive to trade players in their last year of contract in 2024 (In addition to the above, Lauer, Tellez, Houser also FAs after '24. Miley, Canha, Chafin, Wilson all have various options for '24, tho many are likely to be declined), while at the same time the big youth wave either isn't ready yet, or still in the early days of team control. So I'd argue that keeping too many of the veterans for a "final push" isn't really the way to go. 

So generally I'd use the offseason to trade the veterans who don't make sense to (or don't want to) extend/QO, looking to get players in return who could contribute in '25 (ideally '24 too, but that's harder to get). So AA/AAA prospects, perhaps guys blocked at their position. 

I'd also trade Williams while he still had 2 seasons of control remaining. Cash in on relievers in general. If the youth wave coming up is as good as we hope, there'd be hard decisions to make with Williams in '25 again. I'd rather pre-empt it. I think he's great, one of the best relievers in the game. But we're not extending him, so I'd rather trade him early. 

So that's a ton of veterans gone. What would I do instead? Well one thing would be to get the youngsters adapted to MLB. Frelick, Mitchell, Wiemer, Chourio, Black, Quero, Gasser, Uribe, Turang for sure. Likely C. Rodriguez, perhaps Misiorowski, some more fringy prospects like Devanney, 

Now that also means there'd be very little money spent on payroll. I'd take all of that and find the best short-term free agents out there. Get the injury-hit SP looking for a rebound year to set them up for a big contract. Get the savvy veterans of this world like a Wade Miley. With all the youth, speed and defense on the roster, get a 1-dimensional slugger or two and hope to get the best of them. 

I believe in the young players on this team. If things go right, they and finding the right short-term veterans could make for a good team. 

TL;DR version: 

 - Trade the veterans who aren't going to be extended. Including Burnes, Williams. Adames, Woodruff perhaps too, but better extension candidates than the others. 

- Play the young players the team sees as part of the future. Play them a lot. 

- Use all the money saved from those salaries for short-term veterans. 1 year deals, 2 year deals, 1 + options etc. Fill the roster spots that don't have a promising prospect with the best players that can be had on short-term deals. 

- There's currently $36m guaranteed for next year. Arbitration will add to that of course. But if relatively few of the arb-3 players remain, there is still going to be tens of millions up to the budget roof the Brewers seem to be given by Attanasio. 

- Youth + short term veterans can make for a good team, and sets up well for the future. 

[umphrey]

It sucks but a Burnes trade is 100% necessary. We can’t risk holding him until the deadline and he is hurt and walks in FA. Woodruff I think there are options. Trade if it’s available. Extension would be great depending on cost. Not the end of the world to hold him to the deadline and trade him then or get a comp pick. 

[jay87shot]

13 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

Yeah, you're going in a very different direction than me. If they did this, I'd be alright with them keeping Burnes and just getting the QO for the two pitchers and maybe Adames if Woody didn't score.

This would require a heavy investment in the payroll though. I got about 100M with Yelly, Woodruff, Adames, Eloy, Hoskins, Chaffin and Canelario...but also a really young team and a lot of pre-arb players, so it's possible. 

I'd take that LAD deal in a heartbeat with any of those starters, but I think you might be getting back more for Williams than Burnes. That's a LOT of talent(I know it's one of those starters). LOL...the Padres are the only option. They need to replace Hader, right? Give us Lesko and Snelling!

 

No Chourio for you? Another year yet?

I feel like Williams would have more value than Burnes at this point based on 2 years of control vs. 1 however my Burnes return might be a little light, I was thinking the CWS would eat about 8 million of Eloy's contract (5 million next year and 3 mill option) however even with that I should probably add a decent player/prospect from CWS (Gregory Santos would fit the bill)

I would be looking into a little bit of a moneyball approach and turn 2 of our higher paid stars into 4-5 upgrades. The past 2 years we have used like 60 different players a year. I am thinking we should just have like 10 higher quality bats who will just stick to 1 spot and only have a few left right platoons.

I think with Chourio still in AA he is looking at a June/July debut. Having a a Yeli, Frelick, Mitchell, Weimer, Jimenez OF/DH would probably mean an injury at some point and a Chourio opening. I would be 100% fine with trading Weimer/Mitchell and giving Chourio CF and putting Yeli to DH/4th OF (getting something else Burnes deal).

[sveumrules]

Among starting pitchers since 2020 it is essentially between Corbin Burnes and Zack Wheeler for who has been the best...

Burnes: 562 IP | 67 ERA- | 65 FIP- | 17.1 rWAR | 16.6 fWAR

Wheeler: 568 IP | 71 ERA- | 66 FIP- | 16.6rWAR | 17.6 fWAR

Among relievers over the same stretch Devin Williams is tops in WPA (+10.49), rWAR (7.0) and fWAR (6.1) thanks to 183 IP of 42 ERA- | 54 FIP- dominance, and this after we traded away the guy that from 2017-21 was tops in WPA (+14.22) and rWAR (11.1) among all relievers thanks to 316 IP of 58 ERA- | 63 FIP-.

Brandon Woodruff has been a starting pitcher since 2019. Even with the missed time in there, his 539 IP make him one of only 55 pitchers with even 500 IP over that stretch. Among that sample his rankings are 70 ERA- (3rd) | 71 FIP- (3rd) | 16.2 rWAR (11th) | 13.9 fWAR (17th).

Just crazy stuff all around, when you really stop to think about it.

 

[brewers888]

4 hours ago, sveumrules said:

Among starting pitchers since 2020 it is essentially between Corbin Burnes and Zack Wheeler for who has been the best...

Burnes: 562 IP | 67 ERA- | 65 FIP- | 17.1 rWAR | 16.6 fWAR

Wheeler: 568 IP | 71 ERA- | 66 FIP- | 16.6rWAR | 17.6 fWAR

Among relievers over the same stretch Devin Williams is tops in WPA (+10.49), rWAR (7.0) and fWAR (6.1) thanks to 183 IP of 42 ERA- | 54 FIP- dominance, and this after we traded away the guy that from 2017-21 was tops in WPA (+14.22) and rWAR (11.1) among all relievers thanks to 316 IP of 58 ERA- | 63 FIP-.

Brandon Woodruff has been a starting pitcher since 2019. Even with the missed time in there, his 539 IP make him one of only 55 pitchers with even 500 IP over that stretch. Among that sample his rankings are 70 ERA- (3rd) | 71 FIP- (3rd) | 16.2 rWAR (11th) | 13.9 fWAR (17th).

Just crazy stuff all around, when you really stop to think about it.

 

The crazy thing is we had all this great pitching yet continuously did little to nothing to improve the offense. In other words we wasted the best pitching in the history of the franchise by putting together the worst offense among the contending teams.

[wiguy94]

3 minutes ago, brewers888 said:

The crazy thing is we had all this great pitching yet continuously did little to nothing to improve the offense. In other words we wasted the best pitching in the history of the franchise by putting together the worst offense among the contending teams.

Again the offense was good last season. They made moves to improve the 2021 offense in season and that overall was a solid offense. This is the first year the offense has been a disaster. It hasn't been a trend.

[sveumrules]

1 minute ago, brewers888 said:

The crazy thing is we had all this great pitching yet continuously did little to nothing to improve the offense. In other words we wasted the best pitching in the history of the franchise by putting together the worst offense among the contending teams.

The one year all of Burnes, Woodruff, Peralta were healthy with Williams/Hader in the pen they ran away with the division, but yes the offense went cold in the DS to the eventual WS Champs after scoring the most runs in the NL for three plus months after the Adames acquisition.

2022 the offense improved from 12th to 10th in runs scored, from 19th to 11th in wRC+, from 15th to 8th in WAR, a five win improvement.

Unfortunately the rotation went from 2nd in rWAR (22.3) to 14th (13.0), minus nine wins there.

The bullpen went from +5.90 WPA (5th) in 2021 to +1.68 WPA (16th) in 2022, another four wins lost.

The offense wasn’t up to snuff for half of 2021 then three games in the NLDS, in 2022 the pitching wasn’t up to snuff regressing to the tune of about 13 wins or so. The offense has been limiting the team’s ceiling this year again, but all told it’s been about a 50/50 split between pitching and offense “foiling” the Brewers post-pandemic, though they’ve still got the 8th most wins in MLB and the most wins in the NLC since 2021.

[SF70]

The future of this team is incredible, with their worst team of the rest of this decade being next season, and even next season they will contend if they hold Adames & Woodruff for the picks, and trade Burnes.

The combination of an elite infrastructure, FO, strong farm and good big-league team with a nice young core assures this of happening, imo.

Next year — A rotation of Woodruff-Peralta-Ashby-Houser Rea-Gasser-Miley?/FA along with a Williams-Payamps-Peguero-Uribe-Milner bullpen gives the team a championship-type pitching-staff to contend even with a young & dynamic positional core, outside of Yelich-Adames-Contreras, that’s still developing.

’25 — we get 4 of the top 35 picks in the draft along with the pool money that comes with it giving the team yet another potential franchise-altering draft (‘23 being the other) just adding to the strength of the ‘28-‘30 teams.

The ‘25 team positionally, should be developed to the point it will overcome the losses of Adames & Woodruff in the rotation and possibly the trading of Williams at the deadline, with the team also saving enough salary to add a FA pitcher or 2 to go with Peralta-Ashby-Gasser-CRod-Blaylock-Misiorowski.

’26 is where the fun really begins with the maturation of Turang-Wiemer-Frelick-Black taking hold and the overwhelming talent of Chourio-Quero making this the fastest, most exciting team in baseball, with a young stable of arms that can pitch.

[brewers888]

54 minutes ago, SF70 said:

The future of this team is incredible, with their worst team of the rest of this decade being next season, and even next season they will contend if they hold Adames & Woodruff for the picks, and trade Burnes.

The combination of an elite infrastructure, FO, strong farm and good big-league team with a nice young core assures this of happening, imo.

Next year — A rotation of Woodruff-Peralta-Ashby-Houser Rea-Gasser-Miley?/FA along with a Williams-Payamps-Peguero-Uribe-Milner bullpen gives the team a championship-type pitching-staff to contend even with a young & dynamic positional core, outside of Yelich-Adames-Contreras, that’s still developing.

’25 — we get 4 of the top 35 picks in the draft along with the pool money that comes with it giving the team yet another potential franchise-altering draft (‘23 being the other) just adding to the strength of the ‘28-‘30 teams.

The ‘25 team positionally, should be developed to the point it will overcome the losses of Adames & Woodruff in the rotation and possibly the trading of Williams at the deadline, with the team also saving enough salary to add a FA pitcher or 2 to go with Peralta-Ashby-Gasser-CRod-Blaylock-Misiorowski.

’26 is where the fun really begins with the maturation of Turang-Wiemer-Frelick-Black taking hold and the overwhelming talent of Chourio-Quero making this the fastest, most exciting team in baseball, with a young stable of arms that can pitch.

Don't be so sure about the front office infrastructure since we have no idea who will be back next season as Stearns will surely be plucking quite a few of our executives.

[SF70]

14 minutes ago, brewers888 said:

Don't be so sure about the front office infrastructure since we have no idea who will be back next season as Stearns will surely be plucking quite a few of our executives.

This team is now like Tampa — next man up. The systems are in place, like at Tampa, for the quality infrastructure train to keep rolling along. 

Mike Groopman gets poached, Klentak gets hired, and the last 2 IFA classes were arguably their best back-to-back classes in team history.

Not concerned in the least.

[nate82]

2 hours ago, SF70 said:

This team is now like Tampa — next man up. The systems are in place, like at Tampa, for the quality infrastructure train to keep rolling along. 

Mike Groopman gets poached, Klentak gets hired, and the last 2 IFA classes were arguably their best back-to-back classes in team history.

Not concerned in the least.

Not to mention the execs would have to go to a higher role.  For example Arnold would have to be hired as the POBO if the Brewers extend Arnold as the GM.  So there won't be all that much poaching as some think.  There maybe some guys who get poached but it won't be a lot and probably none of the key guys in Milwaukee already. 

[brewers888]

1 hour ago, nate82 said:

Not to mention the execs would have to go to a higher role.  For example Arnold would have to be hired as the POBO if the Brewers extend Arnold as the GM.  So there won't be all that much poaching as some think.  There maybe some guys who get poached but it won't be a lot and probably none of the key guys in Milwaukee already. 

Arnold can go wherever he wants since his contract runs out after the season and its fair to ask why he hasn't been extended yet. 

[SF70]

6 minutes ago, brewers888 said:

Arnold can go wherever he wants since his contract runs out after the season and its fair to ask why he hasn't been extended yet. 

Arnold isn’t going anywhere. 

[brewers888]

Just now, SF70 said:

Arnold isn’t going anywhere. 

Only time will tell but you could be right.

[LincolnDD]

7 hours ago, brewers888 said:

Don't be so sure about the front office infrastructure since we have no idea who will be back next season as Stearns will surely be plucking quite a few of our executives.

Maybe it's changed (this Tweet is nearly two years old), but there used to be a limit of one for the number of execs one team could take from another.  

 

[BrewerFan]

5 hours ago, SF70 said:

Arnold isn’t going anywhere. 

No...he's not. What he's going to do is stay here and secretly work for the Mets and his good buddy David Stearns. 

 

Just don't be surprised when Chourio is traded for Vogelbach(might even throw in Quero). We've already established Cohen is paying 20M for Stearns and 10M for Arnold and Johnson!