Robert Murray on Brewers and CC

[Fear The Chorizo]

13 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

The gap in wins between the divisions is much more telling than the ordinal ranking.

Especially when 5th place is 8 wins away from 4th, 34 wins away from 3rd and 58 games away from 2nd compared to 143 games away from 6th.

If MLB front offices believed Counsell's credentials were propped up by the NLC to the extent you are implying they wouldn't be pursuing him (and maybe even offering something approaching industry leading compensation) in the first place.

Not when factoring in that prior to the 2023 season, unbalanced schedules led to more interdivision games that suppressed win totals for teams playing in stronger divisions.  Makes sense the AL central's overall record is so brutal when they beat up on each other and then get pummeled when playing outside its division.

Here's another way to look at it - once getting into the playoffs, what teams find a way to win at least one series to get to the league championship series?

Division Representatives in the League Championship Series since 2018:

AL West - 7 (Astros were in the ALCS all 6 seasons, 7 counting the 2017 season)

NL East - 5

AL East - 5

NL West - 5

NL Central - 2 (Brewers 2018, Cards 2019)

AL Central - 0

I don't think I ever said the NL Central was the worst division in baseball, but I have said it's likely one of the two weakest year in /year out with the AL Central - nothing I or you have posted in this thread would refute that.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

32 minutes ago, MrTPlush said:

I have no idea, I literally didn’t read it because you couldn’t manage to be a decent forum participant.

I'm 100% sure you read it. And the reason I'm sure you read it, is because of the fact it so thoroughly and irrefutably destroys your argument. So much so that you have nothing to argue back with. So instead you pretend you didn't read it.

It really doesn't matter though. Because other people will read it. And they will see that yes it is indeed true that Counsell has either had a makeshift rotation or a makeshift lineup every year he's been the Brewers manager. Nothing ever aligned where the team had the pitching he has had recently or the bats he had prior to the arms arriving. The point was made and proven.

And finally, cue one last throwaway BS response from you because you must have the last word. Even more so when you're on the wrong end of a debate

[MrTPlush]

1 minute ago, True Blue Brew Crew said:

I'm 100% sure you read it. And the reason I'm sure you read it, is because of the fact it so well and irrefutably destroys your argument. So much so that you have nothing to argue back. So instead you pretend you didn't read it.

It really doesn't matter though. Because other people will read it. And they will see that yes it is indeed true that Counsell has either had a makeshift rotation or a makeshift lineup every year he's been the Brewers manager. Nothing ever aligned where the team had the pitching he has had recently or the bats he had prior to the arms arriving. The point was made and proven.

Thanks man, you try to even be a know it all about what I did or didn’t read. Lol 

Have a nice day.😂

[TURBO]

1 hour ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Title. We haven’t won one last time I checked.

Your post said nothing about winning the world series, you said first world series.  We have appeared in one, which makes your post wrong no matter how you want to spin it.

[TURBO]

1 hour ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Calm down. No one’s abandoning that fact. I forgot one word. It happens.

Telling me to calm down is condescending, which is normal tone for you.  I'm not worked up, just pointing out that we have been in a World Series, which you seemed to have forgotten in your post above.  You can have the last word, as usual...

[Brewcrew82]

51 minutes ago, TURBO said:

Telling me to calm down is condescending, which is normal tone for you.  I'm not worked up, just pointing out that we have been in a World Series, which you seemed to have forgotten in your post above.  You can have the last word, as usual...

You seriously want to talk to me about condescending? Tell me, what do the words "freakishly ridiculous to abandon that fact" convey? 

I forgot one word in an honest error that sometimes occurs when you're posting in a hurry or from a phone. I'm well aware of the fact that the Brewers have been in a World Series, considering it's in my freaking username. No spinning necessary. But go on....

[Axman59]

21 hours ago, patrickgpe said:

In my example it doesn’t really matter what the occupation is, he has been a good employee for 9 years and fulfilled all contractual obligations. We may be sad if he leaves but we really shouldn’t have animosity towards him. 

My point is that people take extreme/emotional positions because of the passion involved.

 

And reading the interpersonal hostility in the last two pages pretty clearly establishes that. 🙂

 

[HarveysWBs]

Just checking in on the water cooler here after a few days away…

[HarveysWBs]

12 minutes ago, Axman59 said:

And reading the interpersonal hostility in the last two pages pretty clearly establishes that. 🙂

 

Ha, beat me to it, it seems

[SeaBass]

This thread has become beyond ridiculous. The underlining thing about it, though it's probably pretty hard to see right now, is that easily 99.9% of the posters here want Craig Counsell to remain the manager of the Milwaukee Brewers.

[Brewcrew82]

CC a "longshot" to Cleveland. Most likely ends up back in Milwaukee...

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2023/10/nobody-asked-me-but-can-guardians-land-a-long-shot-deshaun-watsons-arm-terry-pluto.html

[nate82]

1 hour ago, Brewcrew82 said:

CC a "longshot" to Cleveland. Most likely ends up back in Milwaukee...

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2023/10/nobody-asked-me-but-can-guardians-land-a-long-shot-deshaun-watsons-arm-terry-pluto.html

That was extremely hard to read and read as an opinion piece with very little actual information written.

[Brewcrew82]

32 minutes ago, nate82 said:

That was extremely hard to read and read as an opinion piece with very little actual information written.

Except he prefaces it by saying, "I was told by a top MLB source"...

I'd imagine that's his usual format for his columns. 

FWIW, Heyman also said virtually the same thing the other day...

https://nypost.com/2023/10/26/sports/mets-money-may-not-be-enough-to-lure-craig-counsell-from-brewers/

[nate82]

56 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Except he prefaces it by saying, "I was told by a top MLB source"...

That still doesn’t mean all that much and doesn’t provide any information.  It is basically just saying I heard something from someone who knows something and they said thing about things.  That is the information that article provided.  Basically it provided nothing of importance.

[Sixtolezcano]

Counsell is in Cleveland today interviewing for their open mangerial position. I’m pretty sure he’ll be back in Milwaukee signing a contract 🤭 soon. After all they have a top 5 rated farm system with no need to rebuild 🙄.

[Brewcrew82]

56 minutes ago, Sixtolezcano said:

Counsell is in Cleveland today interviewing for their open mangerial position. I’m pretty sure he’ll be back in Milwaukee signing a contract 🤭 soon. After all they have a top 5 rated farm system with no need to rebuild 🙄.

Your obsession with me is one of the most bizarre things I’ve ever encountered. It’s pure childishness. 

All I literally did was share articles from two insiders who both say that Cleveland is a long shot and that CC most likely ends up back in Milwaukee. It’s not even my opinion (I personally think it’s more 50/50 he comes back) and nowhere did I say him signing a contract with the Brewers is imminent. 

And, yes, generally the goal of rebuilding is to build up your farm system to an elite level through a tear down of your major league roster and then tanking. However, per literally all of the major outlets, the Brewers already have an elite farm system, with each of their top 6 prospects at the upper levels of the minors. Thus, a rebuild=unnecessary. 

[Sixtolezcano]

4 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Your obsession with me is one of the most bizarre things I’ve ever encountered. It’s pure childishness. 

All I literally did was share articles from two insiders who both say that Cleveland is a long shot and that CC most likely ends up back in Milwaukee. It’s not even my opinion (I personally think it’s more 50/50 he comes back) and nowhere did I say him signing a contract with the Brewers is imminent. 

And, yes, generally the goal of rebuilding is to build up your farm system to an elite level through a tear down of your major league roster and then tanking. However, per literally all of the major outlets, the Brewers already have an elite farm system, with each of their top 6 prospects at the upper levels of the minors. Thus, a rebuild=unnecessary. 

Not sure I follow you, but whatever.

[patrickgpe]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10095428-mets-rumors-brewers-craig-counsell-has-serious-interest-in-nym-manager-job
fine, cool. I want him back but mostly want it resolved quickly so the brewers can pick a new one before all other jobs have been filled. 

[homer]

uh, everyone calm down or something. Thanks 

[brewmann04]

I think if the Mets want him the brewers won’t compete 

[MrTPlush]

The reality is, Counsell is the most clickbait worthy thing right now since players aren’t FAs yet. The trash heap is high full of rand articles for us all to click on and talk about and share.

Counsell could be 100% sold on returning, but the guy still wants to make a ton of money to prove a point about managers. So even then he would be taking all these interviews and dishing out rumors that he is really interested in the Mets job to maximize his contract.

Or he may actually have serious interest and see it as the perfect time to part ways happily on a high note. Who knows.

So buckle up and wait for the only meaningful article, the one after he decides where he is going.

[Brewcrew82]

Add Ken Rosenthal as someone who thinks CC ends up back in Milwaukee...Of course, he says that's dependent on whether the Brewers offer him what he thinks is a fair price. So, who knows. 

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[nate82]

9 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Add Ken Rosenthal as someone who thinks CC ends up back in Milwaukee...Of course, he says that's dependent on whether the Brewers offer him what he thinks is a fair price. So, who knows. 

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Well Ken, thank you captain obvious……

[CheezWizHed]

So, looking beyond CC as a coach... What impact might this have on our player development? 

One of the biggest improvements David Sterns made to our organization would be with our player identification and development.  The pitching lab, Latin America scouting, draft success.

None of that has to do with CC directly, but if he does leave, does that put us at risk of an exodus of other talent moving to NYM or where ever? 

I want CC to return, but he won't be our couch forever either.  I just want to be sure that our pitching lab and scouting departments remain strong and developing new scouts/coaches.

[MrTPlush]

3 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

So, looking beyond CC as a coach... What impact might this have on our player development? 

One of the biggest improvements David Sterns made to our organization would be with our player identification and development.  The pitching lab, Latin America scouting, draft success.

None of that has to do with CC directly, but if he does leave, does that put us at risk of an exodus of other talent moving to NYM or where ever? 

I want CC to return, but he won't be our couch forever either.  I just want to be sure that our pitching lab and scouting departments remain strong and developing new scouts/coaches.

Your concern should be Stearns doing that.

If Stearns wants those guys he will try to get them regardless of what CC does.