Onward to the future, who is your preferred 2024 field manager

[dlk9s]

Talk to Paul Molitor about the chance to extend his managerial career and then hire Rick Manning.

[homer]

 

 

[HarveysWBs]

1 minute ago, homer said:

 

 

As others have said, I can’t imagine this means anything other than an internal hire.  I can’t imagine they’d do this without knowing the guy they install will accept everyone coming back.  In fact, Pat Murphy has to be the absolute odds-on favorite.  Even someone from the lower levels would probably want one or two of their own guys with them, I’d think.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

While going to the Cubs was probably a surprise, I think the writing has been on the wall here since September, as alluded to by Attanasio yesterday. And typically when a name comes out of left field - such as Weeks - it usually means there is some fire to the smoke. 

[Vgmastr]

I have no idea if Weeks would be any good, but as one of my favorite Brewers ever I'd love the hire.

[MVP2110]

 

This pretty interesting to me, that the assistant coaches all agreed to re-up with the organization despite not knowing the future of Counsell

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

5 minutes ago, MVP2110 said:

 

This pretty interesting to me, that the assistant coaches all agreed to re-up with the organization despite not knowing the future of Counsell

Makes me think that they already know who the manager is going to be.

[CheeseheadInQC]

I completely missed Weeks rejoining the organization. It would appear that with the coaches all coming back it will be him or Murphy.

[folly412]

Weeks is intriguing.  Hands-on experience may be short, but given he's third generation of a baseball family the ins and outs of the game are second nature to him.  Plus the Weeks "you know" vs. Sophia "he said" battles in interviews would be epic.

[AZ Brewer]

1 hour ago, MVP2110 said:

 

This pretty interesting to me, that the assistant coaches all agreed to re-up with the organization despite not knowing the future of Counsell

I am an acquaintance of a guy who is a low level coach in MLB. These guys move around a lot, and will jump at any chance to sign a contract with any team. Esp this time of year and esp during times of uncertainty. They don't get paid much and they have families. If they're offered a contract, they typically jump to sign it. 

 

[Pugger]

21 hours ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

Well, if they REALLY wanted to up the ante on the I-94 rivalry ...

I just threw up a little in my mouth...

[Pugger]

2 hours ago, homer said:

 

 

This tells me we are not looking outside the organization.  IMO this is a mistake.  I hope I'm wrong...

[Turnbows Barber]

2 hours ago, homer said:

 

 

Listened the JS Brewers podcast this morning and Curt talked about this and how it would point to the Brewers either promoting from within or if it is an outside hire, it is going to be someone with zero managing experience who is just happy to have the job even if it means accepting a coaching staff that is already in place.

[RobertCrawley]

4 hours ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

The fact that Attanasio said yesterday that the entire coaching staff is returning sans Counsell tells me that they are looking to fill this internally. That means someone like Murphy, Viillanueva, Weeks or McKinven. Maybe someone like Matt Erickson or Rick Sweet. 

Someone explain to me why we re-signed the hitting coaches. Why do we reward mediocre results?

[tmwiese55]

5 hours ago, titletownking said:

Erik Kratz would be my number 1. 

Was reading this thread and this guy popped in my head but couldn't think of the name. Was literally about to google to figure it out then this post came up.    They all talked about him like a future manager but post playing career he hasn't been involved at all, according to Wiki.   Coaching kids and doing some TV/Analyst stuff. 

[True Blue Brew Crew]

Hiring someone under the pretense that you have most if not all of your support staff already picked out for you is completely unserious and just more smoke that something else is going on.

[brewers888]

2 minutes ago, True Blue Brew Crew said:

Hiring someone under the pretense that you have most if not all of your support staff already picked out for you is completely unserious and just more smoke that something else is going on.

I can understand extending Hook but why would this team force these hitting coaches on anyone.

[MVP2110]

2 minutes ago, True Blue Brew Crew said:

Hiring someone under the pretense that you have most if not all of your support staff already picked out for you is completely unserious and just more smoke that something else is going on.

When they hired Counsell he inherited his whole original staff 

[brewers888]

3 minutes ago, True Blue Brew Crew said:

Hiring someone under the pretense that you have most if not all of your support staff already picked out for you is completely unserious and just more smoke that something else is going on.

You've unfairly taken a lot of heat for taking an unconventional position but I agree that there is a lot more going on here other than the convenient Counsell just went to the highest bidder which is definitely a factor but not the whole story.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

Just now, brewers888 said:

You've unfairly taken a lot of heat for taking an unconventional position but I agree that there is a lot more going on here other than the convenient Counsell just went to the highest bidder which is definitely a factor but not the whole story.

This screams temporary patch. Why wouldn't they be on the hunt for the best long term candidate they can find? And that would mean giving the right person the ability to bring in people they know and trust. That's off the table now which means they're thinking short term. Short term could be let's see how one of our in-house candidates fares at the helm, maybe we have our long term answer right here -OR- it could mean let's bandaid this thing while I get that other thing done.

But it's undeniable that saddling any potential candidate with a staff chosen for them means not opening the process up far and wide. It's definitely limiting and not what you'd expect from someone thinking long term.

[wildcat2237]

The fact that the staff had re-upped prior to Counsell announcing his decision means 1 of 2 things:

1. They all thought Counsell would be back and he shocked the world leaving.  

2. Pat Murphy has been the chosen successor in waiting for a while, they all knew he would replace Counsell, and they re-upped knowing who would manage. After all Murphy has lots of managing experience already. 

My thought is that it is #2 and Murphy has been in waiting for years knowing eventually Counsell would cash in. 

Attanasio is not a moron and I think he had a plan in place to replace Stearns and Counsell. 

My only reservations on Murphy is that he is old and has had some health issues already (heart attack). Although he is a good fit, Im not sure he is in a position to manage the team for the next 6-8 years. I could see him as a 2-4 year stopgap to Villanueva/Weeks etc. 

[True Blue Brew Crew]

I thought I read that Murphy was the only one who wasn't re-upped? Still a candidate for the top job but not under contract, thus affording him the opportunity to tag along with Counsell or go wherever he pleases. Before everyone goes assuming it's Murphy's job, maybe some additional digging is warranted. I get the sense he's leaving for Chicago if he doesn't get the top job in Milwaukee. Don't think he's going to be some new hire's bench coach, even if it's internal.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

Here it is...

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Per a source, Murphy was the lone member of the staff not to re-sign, which considering his close ties to Counsell is not altogether surprising.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/mlb/brewers/2023/11/07/mark-attanasio-says-brewers-coaching-staff-will-all-be-back-in-2024/71487631007/

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

24 minutes ago, True Blue Brew Crew said:

Here it is...

https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/mlb/brewers/2023/11/07/mark-attanasio-says-brewers-coaching-staff-will-all-be-back-in-2024/71487631007/

That article was edited after I read it this morning to reflect that. It initially said that Murphy was among those who was retained. 

[jw5511986]

Pat Murphy with Rickie Weeks going in training to replace him in a few years would work for me. I'm not at all opposed to Weeks outright either.