Arbitration Settlements

[wibadgers23]

Nothing on Payamps yet, unless I missed it.

[Jastro]

4 minutes ago, wibadgers23 said:

Nothing on Payamps yet, unless I missed it.

Correct, I haven't seen anything come through about Payamps either

[brewcrewdue80]

Hopefully in Williams exchange it turns in to signing a 2 year deal.  

Glad Burnes settled. There's now a salary number on determining trade value as does Adames. Both higher than projected, but not too bad.

Payamps bullpen role, the deal or Arb wouldn't make a big splash 1 way or the other.  Seems the team gave up more than projected thus far.

[Soupy]

So with most of these settled and the Brewer payroll under $100 million who do we sign. With under $50 million on the books for next year backload the contract and sign a difference maker. 

[brewmann04]

Wondering how long they hold onto both

[brewmann04]

lets hope williams has thicker skin if he loses 

[markedman5]

 

[JefferyLeonard]

https://x.com/JeffPassan/status/1745650235001462874?s=20

 

 

[brewmann04]

Curt Hogg

 

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The Brewers announce that Devin Williams has signed a one-year contract with a club option for 2025.

[torts]

7.25 mil for dev 

[wibadgers23]

Brewers spent roughly $35 million today on Burnes, Adames and Williams.

[BrewerFan]

3 hours ago, wibadgers23 said:

Brewers spent roughly $35 million today on Burnes, Adames and Williams.

Yeah...money they'd already budgeted for. Not like this was a big surprise or some huge outlay of capital. The Yankees spent over 30M today on Soto. That's not really newsworthy. Trading for him was. Not agreeing to an exact figure when they already had pretty good idea of what they were spending anyway.

 

[Outlander]

We will have to wait and see on the spend part. Looking more and more likely they will keep all three but they are still trade assets.

[Fear The Chorizo]

10 hours ago, brewmann04 said:

lets hope williams has thicker skin if he loses 

Looks like he's feeling just fine

[Lloyd330]

With them coming to an agreement with Burnes and Adames, it tells me those guys are gone.  They would have fought again with Burnes if they intended on keeping him. 

" We are trading you anyways, so lets pay you this "

[sveumrules]

14 minutes ago, Lloyd330 said:

They would have fought again with Burnes if they intended on keeping him.

Last year every player but Burnes settled without a hearing.

This year every single player settled without a hearing.

Historically, the Brewers have settled with the overwhelming majority of their Arby’s guys instead of going to a hearing.

I think Burnes was the one looking for a fight moreso than the Brewers were last winter.

[Lloyd330]

17 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

Last year every player but Burnes settled without a hearing.

This year every single player settled without a hearing.

Historically, the Brewers have settled with the overwhelming majority of their Arby’s guys instead of going to a hearing.

I think Burnes was the one looking for a fight moreso than the Brewers were last winter.

But most weren't dealing with this much money?

 

 

[Fear The Chorizo]

1 minute ago, Lloyd330 said:

But most weren't dealing with this much money?

 

 

The contract amounts for different calibers of player playing different positions at different stages in arbitration have a very accurate scale on value - when you look at the players around the league who still haven't come to terms and may still go to arbitration, even the highest potential CVs are within 1-2 million dollars for players like Vlad Jr., and oftentimes the gap is far less than that. 

It's why the speculated arby amounts posted every offseason around october are frequently within 10% of what the player winds up receiving.

For better or worse, Woodruff's unfortunate injury and subsequent release by the Brewers instead of offering him salary arbitration freed up around $13M of their 2024 payroll budget (even if it was hypothetical assuming they wouldn't trade anyone of significance) - using some of that savings to lock in their more expensive arbitration candidates a bit over what their arby projections were isn't exactly a horrible way to manage this part of the offseason.

Could any of Adames/Williams/Burnes still be dealt before Opening Day and before the Brewers have to start cutting them paychecks based on the arby numbers they agreed to?  Sure.  That is far from a guarantee that they Brewers have to trade them, though.

[Fear The Chorizo]

Is it just me, or does it seem like arby year 2 is the most common year when prominent players and teams can't reach terms and head to arbitration?

[brewerfan82]

46 minutes ago, Lloyd330 said:

With them coming to an agreement with Burnes and Adames, it tells me those guys are gone.  They would have fought again with Burnes if they intended on keeping him. 

" We are trading you anyways, so lets pay you this "

I don't think this gives any real indication one way or the other on whether or not they anticipate trading either player before the season begins. If anything, after what happened with Burnes last year, I might think they'd be more motivated to keep good will and come to an agreement if they planned on keeping them. If they're trading them anyways, then go to arbitration and do the dirty work to fight with them for as low a salary as possible to maximize their value to other teams.

But really, I don't think it means anything in this respect, it's just easy to come up with reasons for it to mean whatever you want it to either way.

[sveumrules]

11 minutes ago, Lloyd330 said:

But most weren't dealing with this much money?

True, but guys like Willy ($12.25M) this year, or Woodruff ($10.8M) and Adames ($8.7M) for 23, or Hader ($11M) and Renfroe ($7.65M) in 22 that were within a couple two tree million of Burnes range all settled without going in front of the panel.

Williams just signed a two year deal at big Arby’s money so he can pitch the next two seasons without worrying about financials before hitting FA.

[Underachiever]

14 hours ago, Jastro said:

 

NM

[Lloyd330]

40 minutes ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

The contract amounts for different calibers of player playing different positions at different stages in arbitration have a very accurate scale on value - when you look at the players around the league who still haven't come to terms and may still go to arbitration, even the highest potential CVs are within 1-2 million dollars for players like Vlad Jr., and oftentimes the gap is far less than that. 

It's why the speculated arby amounts posted every offseason around october are frequently within 10% of what the player winds up receiving.

For better or worse, Woodruff's unfortunate injury and subsequent release by the Brewers instead of offering him salary arbitration freed up around $13M of their 2024 payroll budget (even if it was hypothetical assuming they wouldn't trade anyone of significance) - using some of that savings to lock in their more expensive arbitration candidates a bit over what their arby projections were isn't exactly a horrible way to manage this part of the offseason.

Could any of Adames/Williams/Burnes still be dealt before Opening Day and before the Brewers have to start cutting them paychecks based on the arby numbers they agreed to?  Sure.  That is far from a guarantee that they Brewers have to trade them, though.

I understand how it works - Have the two sides ever settled like this before for any amount over $10 mil? Thats what im trying to get at. 

[sveumrules]

23 minutes ago, Lloyd330 said:

Have the two sides ever settled like this before for any amount over $10 mil?

Yes. Adames at 12.25M for this coming year, Hader for $11M in 2022, Woodruff fr $10.8M in 2023 and Williams for $10.5M in 2025 on the second year of his extension.

[nate82]

2 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

Yes. Adames at 12.25M for this coming year, Hader for $11M in 2022, Woodruff fr $10.8M in 2023 and Williams for $10.5M in 2025 on the second year of his extension.

You forgot Prince Fielder as he signed a two year deal in 2009 (2009 and 2010 season).  The Brewers and Fielder then avoided arbitration in 2011 at $15.5mm. 

https://www.espn.com/mlb/news/story?id=3853135

https://www.sbnation.com/2011/1/18/2328277/prince-fielder-signs-one-year-deal-with-brewers-avoiding-arbitration