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LouisEly Nashville Sounds

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On 2/19/2024 at 12:36 PM, Frisbee Slider said:

Has any team had a more disappointing offseason than the Cubs? 


Adding Counsell was their best acquisition?

Two weeks ago I was in Montana on our annual ski trip and was wearing a Wisconsin shirt.  Happened to run into a Cubs fan who said, "The Cubs are going to make some noise this year."

My response:

"Yeah, it's called a fart."

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In short, yes. There were a lot of thoughts that I had during the whole ordeal. My head was telling me that the most likely scenario was that managers, on the whole, don't make much of a differen

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I don't think the Cardinals will be good, but I do think they'll be better than 2023.  Part of that is that even with the exact same performance they should score some more runs than they ended up doi

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Wow, are the Reds having injury/roids issues. Marte 80 games, sounds like Mclain has a potential serious injury,  TJ Friedl is hurt, and top prospect Edwin Arroyo is going to have shoulder surgury.

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Watching the Reds defense today and hoo boy it is not good.  Nationals scored 2 runs in 5 innings on the basis of 3-4 plays that should have been made but weren't, and that doesn't count a pickoff play in the first inning that they had the nats runner dead that the first baseman flat out dropped.  That guy didn't score.

The second Nationals run scored in part because the reds centerfielder forgot how many outs there were and didn't bother throwing home on a relatively shallow fly ball.

I don't think the Reds have enough pitching to get away with playing that bad of defense.  They'll probably come back and win today because they are playing the nationals but that was an ugly display of defense for the second game of the year.

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4 minutes ago, AdvantageSchneider said:

Watching the Reds defense today and hoo boy it is not good.  Nationals scored 2 runs in 5 innings on the basis of 3-4 plays that should have been made but weren't, and that doesn't count a pickoff play in the first inning that they had the nats runner dead that the first baseman flat out dropped.  That guy didn't score.

The second Nationals run scored in part because the reds centerfielder forgot how many outs there were and didn't bother throwing home on a relatively shallow fly ball.

I don't think the Reds have enough pitching to get away with playing that bad of defense.  They'll probably come back and win today because they are playing the nationals but that was an ugly display of defense for the second game of the year.

Reds up 4-2 in the 6th.  Nats stink.

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1 hour ago, Frisbee Slider said:

Annual question:

Are the Pirates for real this year?

Always have to wait until after the All-Star break for them.

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On 3/21/2024 at 12:44 AM, jay87shot said:

Wow, are the Reds having injury/roids issues. Marte 80 games, sounds like Mclain has a potential serious injury,  TJ Friedl is hurt, and top prospect Edwin Arroyo is going to have shoulder surgury.

McLain had left shoulder surgery performed last week, out for most if not the entire season. Friedl broke his wrist and is out until some time in May.

Arroyo had shoulder surgery and is out for the year. Williamson, LHSP has shoulder pain and is out indefinitely.

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13 hours ago, AdvantageSchneider said:

Watching the Reds defense today and hoo boy it is not good.  Nationals scored 2 runs in 5 innings on the basis of 3-4 plays that should have been made but weren't, and that doesn't count a pickoff play in the first inning that they had the nats runner dead that the first baseman flat out dropped.  That guy didn't score.

The second Nationals run scored in part because the reds centerfielder forgot how many outs there were and didn't bother throwing home on a relatively shallow fly ball.

I don't think the Reds have enough pitching to get away with playing that bad of defense.  They'll probably come back and win today because they are playing the nationals but that was an ugly display of defense for the second game of the year.

Agree with your analysis of the Reds defense.

They’re missing 2 of their best defenders McLain & Friedl, Benson is out of position playing CF. Candelario is terrible at 3B, CES/Steer aren’t good defenders at 1B/LF respectively.

India is not good at 2B. Injuries have destroyed their defensive potential this year, even Marte, while not a good defender is better than Candelario. The season-ending injury to Arroyo, who is a plus IF defender keeps them from getting any real help from down below.

It will improve some when they get Friedl back in May and Marte in July, but this will still be an average to below average defensive team the second-half of the season.

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First weekend of games in the books, so thought it'd be interesting to see how much the projections (via FanGraphs) have moved around in a tight NL Central race...

PRE-SEASON
STL (0-0) 83.3 Wins | 33.3% WinDiv
CHI (0-0) 82.3 Wins | 26.7% WinDiv
MIL (0-0) 80.3 Wins | 18.1% WinDiv
CIN (0-0) 79.0 Wins | 13.2% WinDiv
PIT (0-0) 77.5 Wins | 8.8% WinDiv

APRIL FIRST
STL (1-3) 82.7 Wins | 28.3% WinDiv
MIL (3-0) 81.9 Wins | 23.0% WinDiv
CHI (1-2) 81.7 Wins | 22.4% WinDiv
PIT (4-0) 79.7 Wins | 14.1% WinDiv
CIN (2-1) 79.1 Wins | 12.2% WinDiv 

Nothing too major, it's only three four games after all, but the projected win spread for the division has tightened from 5.8 wins top to bottom down to a 3.6 win spread, with the spread for Division odds tightening from 24.5% top to bottom down to a 16.1% spread.

PECOTA over at BPro has the five teams with a little more separation from top to bottom...

APRIL FIRST
CHI (1-2) 83.0 Wins | 31.4% WinDiv
STL (1-3) 81.9 Wins | 25.2% WinDiv
CIN (2-1) 81.4 Wins | 22.9% WinDiv
MIL (3-0) 79.2 Wins | 14.9% WinDiv
PIT (4-0) 75.2 Wins | 4.6% WinDiv

 

yourout Wisconsin Timber Rattlers

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2 hours ago, sveumrules said:

First weekend of games in the books, so thought it'd be interesting to see how much the projections (via FanGraphs) have moved around in a tight NL Central race...

PRE-SEASON
STL (0-0) 83.3 Wins | 33.3% WinDiv
CHI (0-0) 82.3 Wins | 26.7% WinDiv
MIL (0-0) 80.3 Wins | 18.1% WinDiv
CIN (0-0) 79.0 Wins | 13.2% WinDiv
PIT (0-0) 77.5 Wins | 8.8% WinDiv

APRIL FIRST
STL (1-3) 82.7 Wins | 28.3% WinDiv
MIL (3-0) 81.9 Wins | 23.0% WinDiv
CHI (1-2) 81.7 Wins | 22.4% WinDiv
PIT (4-0) 79.7 Wins | 14.1% WinDiv
CIN (2-1) 79.1 Wins | 12.2% WinDiv 

Nothing too major, it's only three four games after all, but the projected win spread for the division has tightened from 5.8 wins top to bottom down to a 3.6 win spread, with the spread for Division odds tightening from 24.5% top to bottom down to a 16.1% spread.

PECOTA over at BPro has the five teams with a little more separation from top to bottom...

APRIL FIRST
CHI (1-2) 83.0 Wins | 31.4% WinDiv
STL (1-3) 81.9 Wins | 25.2% WinDiv
CIN (2-1) 81.4 Wins | 22.9% WinDiv
MIL (3-0) 79.2 Wins | 14.9% WinDiv
PIT (4-0) 75.2 Wins | 4.6% WinDiv

 

Didn't the pirates start out hot last year as well only to fall off the cliff in summer?

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2 minutes ago, yourout said:

Didn't the pirates start out hot last year as well only to fall off the cliff in summer?

Yes I believe they were in 1st place in the division as late as mid-May last year.

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Pirates had bases loaded and nobody out in the 10th inning against Orioles. 
Rowdy Tellez pops out on first pitch. Then groundout and strikeout. Inning over. 
 

Tellez did have three hits and a walk on the day.

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On 4/1/2024 at 8:12 AM, sveumrules said:

APRIL FIRST
STL (1-3) 82.7 Wins | 28.3% WinDiv
MIL (3-0) 81.9 Wins | 23.0% WinDiv
CHI (1-2) 81.7 Wins | 22.4% WinDiv
PIT (4-0) 79.7 Wins | 14.1% WinDiv
CIN (2-1) 79.1 Wins | 12.2% WinDiv 

Took a couple weeks, but the Brewers have moved to the top of FanGraphs playoff odds for the NLC…

MIL (9-3) 83.6 Wins | 25.8 WinDiv%
STL (7-7) 83.3 Wins | 24.6 WinDiv%
CHI (7-6) 82.8 Wins | 22.3 WinDiv%
PIT (10-4) 81.5 Wins | 16.2 WinDiv%
CIN (7-6) 80.1 Wins | 11.0 WinDiv%

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14 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

MIL (9-3) 83.6 Wins | 25.8 WinDiv%
STL (7-7) 83.3 Wins | 24.6 WinDiv%
CHI (7-6) 82.8 Wins | 22.3 WinDiv%
PIT (10-4) 81.5 Wins | 16.2 WinDiv%
CIN (7-6) 80.1 Wins | 11.0 WinDiv%

That’s a remarkably close division. I do not understand what the computers see in Saint Louis, though. 

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2 hours ago, Frisbee Slider said:

That’s a remarkably close division. I do not understand what the computers see in Saint Louis, though. 

Class, playing the game the right way, and being the only ones who get to say what that means.

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On 4/13/2024 at 9:07 AM, Frisbee Slider said:

That’s a remarkably close division. I do not understand what the computers see in Saint Louis, though. 

They see a bunch of big names that used to be good, that to this point look sluggish and mediocre. Projection systems really have a tough time with aging stars and young players. Also worth noting, 4 of their 16 games played have been against the dodgers.

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On 4/13/2024 at 8:52 AM, sveumrules said:

Took a couple weeks, but the Brewers have moved to the top of FanGraphs playoff odds for the NLC…

MIL (9-3) 83.6 Wins | 25.8 WinDiv%
STL (7-7) 83.3 Wins | 24.6 WinDiv%
CHI (7-6) 82.8 Wins | 22.3 WinDiv%
PIT (10-4) 81.5 Wins | 16.2 WinDiv%
CIN (7-6) 80.1 Wins | 11.0 WinDiv%

Nine days and one sweep of the Cardinals later, here is how FG sees the NLC shaking out…

APRIL 22nd
MIL (14-6) 84.9 Wins | 34.3% WinDiv
CHI (13-9) 84.6 Wins | 31.7% WinDiv
STL (9-13) 81.0 Wins | 13.6% WinDiv
CIN (12-9) 80.9 Wins | 13.0% WinDiv
PIT (11-11) 78.7 Wins | 7.3% WinDiv

LouisEly Nashville Sounds

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On 4/15/2024 at 9:54 AM, KeithStone53151 said:

They see a bunch of big names that used to be good, that to this point look sluggish and mediocre.

Weren't there people here arguing for trading Burnes for Goldschmidt?  I still can't believe there were people who thought that would be a good idea.

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