2024 NFL Discussion Thread

CheezWizHed · October 21, 2024

These AI generated Post Game interviews are pretty hilarious (and a touch scary given what it could be used for...)

HarryDoyle · October 21, 2024

58 minutes ago, CheezWizHed said:

These AI generated Post Game interviews are pretty hilarious (and a touch scary given what it could be used for...)

This is the funniest LOL thing I have seen in a long time.

In all seriousness though, the Jets look like a team with zero chemistry and no direction or leadership, and a lot of that falls in Aaron's lap. We all know he's not the greatest leader out there. You watch his postgame pressers and he comes off as very aloof. He makes sure to say right away that he has to play better but how much do you think he really believes that? He says it in a manner like he wants to just get it out of the way so no one can say he's pointing fingers, then last night telling the press that the team needs to stop listening to them first and foremost as if they have anything to do their woes. I have to wonder just how popular he is in the locker room.

HarryDoyle · October 22, 2024

5 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

These AI generated Post Game interviews are pretty hilarious (and a touch scary given what it could be used for...)

sveumrules · October 22, 2024

They should change it so you get points for doinks. It’s a lot harder to hit one of those skinny little poles than it is to kick it into the big empty space in between them.

I’d do two points for a doink that doesn’t go through on a field goal try, and four points for doinked field goal that does go through.

It would inject a fun chaos element, introduce additional gambling line items and most importantly allow for this scenario…

…two seconds on the clock down three points the trailing team lines up for the game tying kick, it’s up…and it’s off the upright…but goes through for a four point doink off win.

LouisEly · October 22, 2024

On 10/20/2024 at 4:44 PM, HarveysWBs said:

The league asks defenders to walk such a fine line these days. What are you supposed to do there?

(See: Christian Alliegro, Wisconsin Badgers vs Northwestern)

Underachiever · October 22, 2024

9 hours ago, sveumrules said:

They should change it so you get points for doinks. It’s a lot harder to hit one of those skinny little poles than it is to kick it into the big empty space in between them.

I’d do two points for a doink that doesn’t go through on a field goal try, and four points for doinked field goal that does go through.

It would inject a fun chaos element, introduce additional gambling line items and most importantly allow for this scenario…

…two seconds on the clock down three points the trailing team lines up for the game tying kick, it’s up…and it’s off the upright…but goes through for a four point doink off win.

Double-doink that goes through ends the game immediately in favor of the double-doinkers. The Golden Snitch of football.

and I’m completely on board with the term “doink-off win.”

Underachiever · October 22, 2024

There isn’t much I appreciate more in football than watching Derrick Henry run the ball. What a special combination of skills.

GAME05 · October 22, 2024

I get the idea of the Panthers playing Andy Dalton--it's a good way to evaluate Bryce Young to see how a different QB handles the same players. But hasn't the Andy Dalton Experience lasted a few weeks too long already? It's not like they're making the playoffs with Dalton, or have they so totally given up on Young already?

And if they've given up on Young, do you change strategies and draft the rest of the team first like Chicago or try for a QB again? I'd guess with a weak QB draft class next year they draft a WR, instead.

I also presume Atlanta will be shopping Cousins in the offseason.

nate82 · October 22, 2024

1 hour ago, GAME05 said:

And if they've given up on Young, do you change strategies and draft the rest of the team first like Chicago or try for a QB again? I'd guess with a weak QB draft class next year they draft a WR, instead.

The Panthers are not a QB away let alone a player away from competing. They are a whole team away from competing.

HarryDoyle · October 23, 2024

5 hours ago, GAME05 said:

I get the idea of the Panthers playing Andy Dalton--it's a good way to evaluate Bryce Young to see how a different QB handles the same players. But hasn't the Andy Dalton Experience lasted a few weeks too long already? It's not like they're making the playoffs with Dalton, or have they so totally given up on Young already?

And if they've given up on Young, do you change strategies and draft the rest of the team first like Chicago or try for a QB again? I'd guess with a weak QB draft class next year they draft a WR, instead.

I also presume Atlanta will be shopping Cousins in the offseason.

Well, Young might be playing this week seeing as how Dalton and his family were involved in a car accident today' depending on the severity of the accident which as of right now is unknown.

CheezWizHed · October 23, 2024

22 hours ago, sveumrules said:

They should change it so you get points for doinks. It’s a lot harder to hit one of those skinny little poles than it is to kick it into the big empty space in between them.

I’d do two points for a doink that doesn’t go through on a field goal try, and four points for doinked field goal that does go through.

It would inject a fun chaos element, introduce additional gambling line items and most importantly allow for this scenario…

…two seconds on the clock down three points the trailing team lines up for the game tying kick, it’s up…and it’s off the upright…but goes through for a four point doink off win.

Then the Chicago bears would've beaten the Eagles in 2018... Down by one point, the double doink for the win! 😂

BrewerFan · October 23, 2024

On 10/21/2024 at 4:54 PM, HarryDoyle said:

This is the funniest LOL thing I have seen in a long time.

In all seriousness though, the Jets look like a team with zero chemistry and no direction or leadership, and a lot of that falls in Aaron's lap. We all know he's not the greatest leader out there. You watch his postgame pressers and he comes off as very aloof. He makes sure to say right away that he has to play better but how much do you think he really believes that? He says it in a manner like he wants to just get it out of the way so no one can say he's pointing fingers, then last night telling the press that the team needs to stop listening to them first and foremost as if they have anything to do their woes. I have to wonder just how popular he is in the locker room.

Yeah...I feel like that started after the Jordan Love pick. MAYBE it happened in 2018 when he was articulating how he watched the Rams run their offense and wished they ran an innovative offense like that, but he was generally regarded as a good leader early on.

Maybe it's just like he said, he thought when he's had as much success and seen the things he's seen, you'd think the organization would include him in "those talks," meaning personnel.

But yeah...that team is so dysfunctional. They're not bad because they lack talent. They have an elite defense. No question there.

Garrett Wilson is a stud, Mike Williams has always been a very good WR when healthy, Breece Hall is a very good RB. The OL is playing like an elite group this year. Tyron Smith, LG-John Simpson has a better PFF grade than Elgton Jenkins, Joe Tippman has been very good, -Vera-Tucker, again, much higher grade than Jenkins and their "weak spot," is RT and Morgan Mosses has a better grade than Walker.

Basically...combine our OL with theirs and it's Zach Tom and the next 5 best are the Jets with the 11th pick Fashanu in a learning year.

Tyler Conklin is fine(again, PFF is just one grade, but higher than Tucker Kraft...which admittedly can't be right, but he's at least solid).

This team may not be AS talented as the Brady Buccs...but they're not that far off. And Rodgers just physical abilities have not fallen off. He can still do things with the FB no QB in the NFL now or ever before him can do(Lazard over the middle is one).

So what is it? Why aren't they buying in? Why have they lost 3 games with the ball in Rodgers hands and thrown picks? Why is a REALLY good NFL coach being paid 5M a year to stay home?

Rodgers ego the last few years has just grown to where he thinks he's the smartest guy in the room and he used to take responsibility, even if it wasn't on him for the losses. He's stopped doing that. He is bigger than the team and clearly it's infecting the Jets locker room.

They just added Adams and a guy with 50.5 sacks in the last 4 years in Adams and Reddick and...I think they'll end up just good enough that Rodgers will be back next year, do the same thing and get similar results.

Remember all the fawning over Joe Douglas and guys like McAfee talking about how dumb Gutekunst was? LOL...has fun with at least 1 more year of 'hey guys, can why can't you see the curvature of the Earth,' guy at QB?

Maybe another trip to Peru will fix him!

OldSchoolSnapper · October 23, 2024

On 10/21/2024 at 11:50 AM, adambr2 said:

I know it's tempting to compare Purdy to Jimmy G, but I think that's way too dismissive of a guy who was a legitimate MVP candidate last year.

If Purdy's success is only system-related, why didn't they stick with Lance, who they had so much invested in?

I'd be more surprised if the 49ers don't extend Purdy than if they do.

He's much better than Jimmy but he's not a top QB. I view him as more the Kirk Cousins echelon. I think he benefitted a lot from not only the team he's on, but how unknown he was.

Actually gives me the same vibe as Kyler Murray in that I kept hearing how amazing he was but every time I actually watch him, he is just "meh" on the eye test. The best thing they could do as a Packers fan, IMO, is lock him up long term. I don't see him being the guy.

adambr2 · October 23, 2024

32 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

He's much better than Jimmy but he's not a top QB. I view him as more the Kirk Cousins echelon. I think he benefitted a lot from not only the team he's on, but how unknown he was.

Actually gives me the same vibe as Kyler Murray in that I kept hearing how amazing he was but every time I actually watch him, he is just "meh" on the eye test. The best thing they could do as a Packers fan, IMO, is lock him up long term. I don't see him being the guy.

How many "guys" are there even in the NFL, though? Is Trevor Lawrence one? Jared Goff, Dak Prescott?

Either have to pay 'em or start all the way over, just how the system is set up. I think we all know Sam Darnold isn't as good as he's been, but he's going to get 50 million a year from someone if he keeps it up.

I can't think of too many examples where a team had a decent QB that they were relatively successful with and just decided to start over anyway rather than pay them. Jimmy G is probably the best example.

I will say I'm a little surprised that to at least suppress these QB salaries from accelerating so fast, owners don't take more of a hard-lined stance and start using the franchise tag once or twice before they extend.

The only team I can think of that did was the Ravens with Lamar, and it actually worked out really well for them.

OldSchoolSnapper · October 23, 2024

That's fair, but in SF's case where else do they get better? I think they probably believe the QB is the best incremental improvement they could make. I think they will keep trying to hit on "the guy." Given their history of dumping guys that have won a lot of games, that's just what I believe will happen. I don't think it'll be today or tomorrow but I don't think he's their starter for the next 10 years.

BrewerFan · October 23, 2024

17 hours ago, GAME05 said:

I get the idea of the Panthers playing Andy Dalton--it's a good way to evaluate Bryce Young to see how a different QB handles the same players. But hasn't the Andy Dalton Experience lasted a few weeks too long already? It's not like they're making the playoffs with Dalton, or have they so totally given up on Young already?

And if they've given up on Young, do you change strategies and draft the rest of the team first like Chicago or try for a QB again? I'd guess with a weak QB draft class next year they draft a WR, instead.

I also presume Atlanta will be shopping Cousins in the offseason.

The Panthers would be smart to do exactly what the Bears did. This isn't the year for an elite QB, trade out of the #1 spot(which I think they'll get) and like you said, built the team first.

There are some freak WR prospects, some DL, you could even go CB and then come back and get some playmakers.

They really don't need much help on the OL. Ekwonu at LT is a franchise LT, they signed Hunt to a huge deal, he's playing well. They have two other guys who are playing really well and then Taylor Moton is a good RT, 68.3 overall grade, but he's 30, so probably not a core piece of their future.

If they'd JUST stayed put, they could have drafted Darnell Wright, a guy I think is a prototypical RT in the modern NFL, kept DJ Moore who is still young, they'd have been in position to draft Caleb, Daniels or Maye at least(probably still Caleb or Daniels, Daniels if they were lucky).

Same thing this year. This class has a ton of talent at CB, DL, WR, but who is the top QB? Cam Ward? Millroe from 'Bama? I mean, he can drive without a couple of phone books, but do they want to go back to 'Bama for a QB this soon?

Wait until 2026, you'll have Arch Manning possibly(I still believe he's a great talent) but there are several other QBs who could break out. Allar may be in contention for the #1 pick.

So trade the #1 for 2-3 1sts+2-3 2nd rd picks, take a guy like Hunter or Graham in the top and load up for the 2026 draft.

,They should also trade everyone who's not going to be there when they're competitive. Clowney is a guy the Packers could use. He's 10th in pass rush win/loss rate. As of now, Gary and Smith are 39th and 46th out of the top 50 qualified edge rushers. LVN would be 47th if he was eligible. But players like that.

Then get your cap fixed. They have 60M in dead cap this year, less than a million in cap space and they suck. They need to just turn that thing around and I hate how the Lions and the Bears have become two good examples of how to do that. The Lions really built up that OL.

18 hours ago, GAME05 said:

I also presume Atlanta will be shopping Cousins in the offseason.

I'd say he gets one more year. Just might as well give Penix another year and the Cap hit, it doesn't make much sense unless they're offered a 1st or something really valuable. Maybe a team like SF needs a QB IF something happens to Purdy and with ATL paying the signing bonus, he'd be cheap enough and they wouldn't owe him too much against the cap and could get out of the deal more easily(Det, any team like that).

Or maybe they really like Penix and want to suck it up and eat that cap hit sooner rather than later. A post June 1st trade would save them more than the cap hit would be(spreading it out).

How they finish that season will probably be the asnwer.

BrewerFan · October 23, 2024

1 hour ago, adambr2 said:

How many "guys" are there even in the NFL, though? Is Trevor Lawrence one? Jared Goff, Dak Prescott?

Either have to pay 'em or start all the way over, just how the system is set up. I think we all know Sam Darnold isn't as good as he's been, but he's going to get 50 million a year from someone if he keeps it up.

I can't think of too many examples where a team had a decent QB that they were relatively successful with and just decided to start over anyway rather than pay them. Jimmy G is probably the best example.

I will say I'm a little surprised that to at least suppress these QB salaries from accelerating so fast, owners don't take more of a hard-lined stance and start using the franchise tag once or twice before they extend.

The only team I can think of that did was the Ravens with Lamar, and it actually worked out really well for them.

You might be able to argue Goff. He was the 1st pick, went to a SB, now he's great in Det...and I really thought Lawrence would be. Especially after coach McGrabby left, but no, you're right. Dak getting 60M GTD is...absolutely insane.

Not sure you're right about Sam Darnold. He'll be the ultimate litmus test.

I'd also argue the Browns and 49ers knew they had pretty good QBs but were looking for that upgrade. SF didn't replace Jimmy G with Purdy, they fell into him bassackwards. They traded 3 1sts and...whatever else to move up for Lance.

Next year will be interesting as you're going to have Darnold, one of Fields or Wilson(I'd guess Wilson, but he took the job from Fields) maybe Cousins as @GAME05suggested.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a team like the Giants both draft one and sign one to a short deal. A deal like Baker got...but it'll be tough to sign someone like Darnold if you've only seen them in that system with those weapons, but teams are seldom rational about QB.

HarryDoyle · October 23, 2024

So I guess the NFL is turning into MLB where bad teams have fire sales as the Titans trade away Hopkins and Ernest Jones.

HarryDoyle · October 23, 2024

CheezWizHed · October 24, 2024

4 hours ago, HarryDoyle said:

I got you addicted... Sorry, not sorry. 😂

HarveysWBs · October 25, 2024

And just like that, the Packers control their own destiny again. Thanks, Matthew Stafford! Please don’t get traded back to the NFC North. You love the Cali life too much anyway…

BrewerFan · October 25, 2024

On 10/23/2024 at 5:08 PM, HarryDoyle said:

So I guess the NFL is turning into MLB where bad teams have fire sales as the Titans trade away Hopkins and Ernest Jones.

Timing works out for us. If we want to add someone, we have the Jags(on the road...which has historically been a tough game) and the big matchup with the Lions.

Not sure we're going to do much. Stokes could go to a team short on CBs if he's fallen out of favor, or we could look to add someone, though not sure where. Most trades would be a marginal upgrade. The big rumors are...very unlikely.

Be nice to see Johnathan Ford active this week...see if he can help vs the run. It's the one thing we're still struggling with the Jags do well.

OldSchoolSnapper · October 25, 2024

I bet the Vikings miss the playoffs.

homer · October 25, 2024

41 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

I bet the Vikings miss the playoffs.

I sure hope so. They have 4 games left they should win easily ( Colts, Titans, Cardinals, Jags). If they go 4 - 0 in those and split with the Bears that's a 10 win season. I don't think they miss the playoffs with 10 wins in the NFC but who knows. They could certainly choke away one of those 4 easy ones.

I saw a rumor they were trying to trade for Stafford which, IMO, would make them pretty scary but I don't know if the Rams will do that now that they are back to full strength.

HarveysWBs · October 25, 2024

50 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

I bet the Vikings miss the playoffs.

That would be quite the accomplishment, but also a very Vikings thing to do. I’m all for it.

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