Gasser Dealing With Left Elbow Issue

[wiguy94]

2 minutes ago, shanedog19 said:

This is likely an unpopular opinion, but I would bring Misiorowski up and see what he can do. Yes, he has walked far too many people in the minors. However, all of his other peripheral numbers comparable favorably to Paul Skenes, including his age. One argument for bringing Skenes up now was the finite number of 102 mph fastballs he has in the holster, so why waste those fastballs in the minors? I think the same argument could be made for Misiorowski. Besides, can he be any worse than Joe Ross or Jakob Junis?

Yes he absolutely could and likely would be worse than Ross/Junis as an MLB SP right now. Misiorowski can hardly get through 5 innings in AA because his pitch count spirals out of control due to the poor command/control. That issue would only get worse in the MLB where hitters are going to chase his misses even less frequently than in AA.

[shanedog19]

1 minute ago, wiguy94 said:

Yes he absolutely could and likely would be worse than Ross/Junis as an MLB SP right now. Misiorowski can hardly get through 5 innings in AA because his pitch count spirals out of control due to the poor command/control. That issue would only get worse in the MLB where hitters are going to chase his misses even less frequently than in AA.

His control is undoubtedly an issue and a very fair point. He is otherwise dominant in pretty much every statistical category you can name. I just wonder if working with Chris Hook on a daily basis might be the secret sauce to Misiorowski getting a handle on his control. It is a risky move no doubt be we are also running out of viable options, Does his lack of control completely take him out of contention for an MLB callup this year? At what point does the potential reward become worth the risk?

[wiguy94]

Just now, shanedog19 said:

His control is undoubtedly an issue and a very fair point. He is otherwise dominant in pretty much every statistical category you can name. I just wonder if working with Chris Hook on a daily basis might be the secret sauce to Misiorowski getting a handle on his control. It is a risky move no doubt be we are also running out of viable options, Does his lack of control completely take him out of contention for an MLB callup this year? At what point does the potential reward become worth the risk?

The lack of control definitely takes him out of contention for an MLB callup as a SP. As a RP they could potentially think the stuff is good enough to overcome the control issues but there's a very real RP log jam which will make it difficult for any non-40 man guys to break into the pen this year.

[shanedog19]

1 minute ago, wiguy94 said:

The lack of control definitely takes him out of contention for an MLB callup as a SP. As a RP they could potentially think the stuff is good enough to overcome the control issues but there's a very real RP log jam which will make it difficult for any non-40 man guys to break into the pen this year.

I would rather him be the front end of a piggyback a la Koenig than a traditional RP honestly. Take the pressure off of him by starting and see how far he can go with someone like Rea waiting in the wings.

[wiguy94]

Do Brewers players not trust the Brewers training staff? Feels like there's been a lot of second opinions this year already. Even Hoskins was briefly looking to get a second opinion for a hamstring strain. DL Hall has had this bizarre drawn out 2nd opinion on his knee as well.

 

[Brewcrew82]

9 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Do Brewers players not trust the Brewers training staff? Feels like there's been a lot of second opinions this year already. Even Hoskins was briefly looking to get a second opinion for a hamstring strain. DL Hall has had this bizarre drawn out 2nd opinion on his knee as well.

 

This is why I'm expecting TJ surgery for Gasser. Just how it goes with the Brewers' initial evaluation and second opinions. 

[wiguy94]

3 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

This is why I'm expecting TJ surgery for Gasser. Just how it goes with the Brewers' initial evaluation and second opinions. 

Yeah even if it's not now, you almost expect Gasser will need TJ in the next couple years. Feel like when elbow issues pop up like this, you're going to eventually need TJ.

[Thurston Fluff]

1 hour ago, wiguy94 said:

The lack of control definitely takes him out of contention for an MLB callup as a SP. As a RP they could potentially think the stuff is good enough to overcome the control issues but there's a very real RP log jam which will make it difficult for any non-40 man guys to break into the pen this year.

That didn't exactly work for Uribe. Got to wonder if Rodriguez doesn't get the call if they need someone. I know his overall numbers aren't good but from what I've read he had some problems adjusting to the ABS system and has started to pitch better as of late. My guess is a lot of it will be determined by bullpen usage and how close Junis and Ross are. If they can get by with a bullpen day or two al the better. If not my vote is Rodriguez over Miso.

[edfunderburk]

Super unpopular opinion …

I would package both Uribe & Misirowski in a trade for a quality major league starter with three years of availability 

Their significant control issues outweigh their 100 MPH arms … that will often end up with surgery

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

33 minutes ago, edfunderburk said:

Super unpopular opinion …

I would package both Uribe & Misirowski in a trade for a quality major league starter with three years of availability 

Their significant control issues outweigh their 100 MPH arms … that will often end up with surgery

Working on a hypothesis that Colin Rea, Kyle Hendricks types are going to be a market inefficiency for a while here at the start of the pitch clock era. Maybe that is part of why the Crew wants Hall as a starter despite his lower velo.

Woody and Burnes excepted, the Crew have had a lot of success with your Zach Davies, Chacin types. Even Peralta doesn't wow the gun. When you have to save money somewhere, that's not a bad strategy. Find starting pitchers who can consistently beat their peripherals. Easier said than done, but I think the whole league may be trying that approach sooner than later if this rate of injury continues.

Edit: not sure how I feel about relievers like Uribe. Easier to sustain that velo and movement for 60 IP a year (at the high end) than 130. MLB probably perfectly happy to keep rolling the dice on relative health from those guys, at least up through arb.

[wiguy94]

Gasser placed on the 15 day IL with a left flexor strain

[Thurston Fluff]

19 hours ago, Cool Hand Lucroy said:

Working on a hypothesis that Colin Rea, Kyle Hendricks types are going to be a market inefficiency for a while here at the start of the pitch clock era. Maybe that is part of why the Crew wants Hall as a starter despite his lower velo.

Woody and Burnes excepted, the Crew have had a lot of success with your Zach Davies, Chacin types. Even Peralta doesn't wow the gun. When you have to save money somewhere, that's not a bad strategy. Find starting pitchers who can consistently beat their peripherals. Easier said than done, but I think the whole league may be trying that approach sooner than later if this rate of injury continues.

Edit: not sure how I feel about relievers like Uribe. Easier to sustain that velo and movement for 60 IP a year (at the high end) than 130. MLB probably perfectly happy to keep rolling the dice on relative health from those guys, at least up through arb.

I've been on thins bandwagon for a while. With their defense I think the Brewers are set up well to do it now. Sinkers and ground ball guys are cheap and can be effective.

[markedman5]

 

[Sixtolezcano]

On 6/4/2024 at 4:36 PM, Thurston Fluff said:

That didn't exactly work for Uribe. Got to wonder if Rodriguez doesn't get the call if they need someone. I know his overall numbers aren't good but from what I've read he had some problems adjusting to the ABS system and has started to pitch better as of late. My guess is a lot of it will be determined by bullpen usage and how close Junis and Ross are. If they can get by with a bullpen day or two al the better. If not my vote is Rodriguez over Miso.

As Rosiak stated in his tweet (X) Carlos was the May International League pitcher of the month. In his 5 starts he threw 29.1 innings giving up 21 hits, 7 BB and 33 Ks. He had a 3.03 ERA, a WHIP of 0.94 and a BA of 0.196. He very well may be ready for his inaugural MLB start with the Brew Crew.

[BrewCrew8675309]

On 6/6/2024 at 10:19 AM, Sixtolezcano said:

As Rosiak stated in his tweet (X) Carlos was the May International League pitcher of the month. In his 5 starts he threw 29.1 innings giving up 21 hits, 7 BB and 33 Ks. He had a 3.03 ERA, a WHIP of 0.94 and a BA of 0.196. He very well may be ready for his inaugural MLB start with the Brew Crew.

I said this on another thread, but man I wish they would take their time with CRod (and Misi) and wheel out Junis to join Rea, AAshby, Bryse, and Freddy plus Koenig and keep cycling out the bullpen until a trade is made. Misi and CRod need the Burnes treatment imo. But I am just a teacher and not a MLB analyst...

[wiguy94]

Gasser is getting a third opinion on his elbow now.

[markedman5]

 

[markedman5]

 

[TURBO]

Awww crap.  No way this ends well.

*sigh*

[wiguy94]

Hogg gathered that the recommended surgery for Gasser was TJ

 

[Jopal78]

On 6/4/2024 at 4:24 PM, Brewcrew82 said:

This is why I'm expecting TJ surgery for Gasser. Just how it goes with the Brewers' initial evaluation and second opinions. 

Why do people always knock the Brewers medical team? As if they’re flunkies who went to medical school in the Bahamas.
 

Bone spurs are caused by a loosening of the ligament. The bone spurs will always be a hindrance unless they’re removed or the cause of them (loose ligament) is fixed.
 

More probably true than not the Brewers medical team looked at his MRI and said the ligament isn’t torn so let’s be conservative and go with rest and rehab.
 

El-Attrache likely looked at the same films as the team doctors and recommended surgery for a new ligament in order to cure the elbow pain problem once and for all. 
 

Seems to me Gasser is the one who doesn’t know what to do. Understandable in his situation having had elbow pain in the spring, did the rest and rehab only to have elbow pain reoccur and impair his ability to pitch effectively. 
 

On the other hand the procedure to permanently fix the elbow pain could result in him never getting back to the majors.  Tough choice 

[markedman5]

 

[markedman5]

 

[wildcat2237]

MLBTraderumors ran a full story on Gasser this am.

As I feared, renouned surgeon Dr. Neal ElAttrache is reccomending that Gasser have UCL surgery.

Apparently Gasser's UCL is not torn but is not as "strong as it should be."

From the article, "Any form of UCL surgery — be it Tommy John surgery, an internal brace procedure or a hybrid of the two — would wipe out the remainder of Gasser’s season. A full Tommy John or a Tommy John/internal brace hybrid would keep Gasser out of action late into the 2025 season at least. A strict internal brace without a full UCL reconstruction could have him back on the mound earlier than that.

Cannot make this stuff up this year. 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/06/brewers-rumors-robert-gasser-elbow-surgery.html

[ClosetBrewerFan]

Update on MLB trade rumors:

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Manager Pat Murphy said he’s assuming that Gasser is done for the year, although that’s not yet confirmed, per Adam McCalvy of MLB.com on X. “I hope I’m wrong,” Murphy said. “I really do.”

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