Packers 2024 Season Thread

[CheezWizHed]

1 hour ago, Joseph Zarr said:

... we need a Whelan kicking FG's.

Maybe we should be asking the question of if Whelan can kick FGs???

It really is too bad because I really do want to like Narveson.  He seems more like a football player than Carlson did. 

Just turn your body 3 degrees to the left and you are fine!

[Joseph Zarr]

1 hour ago, CheezWizHed said:

Maybe we should be asking the question of if Whelan can kick FGs???

It really is too bad because I really do want to like Narveson.  He seems more like a football player than Carlson did. 

Just turn your body 3 degrees to the left and you are fine!

I currently hang my withered and tattered 'Narvs is the Guy' threads upon the: "Well, all his kicks are missing right. That has to be correctable?" Confidence is at an all-time Low in Camp Narvs. I am running on fumes - heck, aether!

[CheezWizHed]

22 minutes ago, Joseph Zarr said:

I currently hang my withered and tattered 'Narvs is the Guy' threads upon the: "Well, all his kicks are missing right. That has to be correctable?" Confidence is at an all-time Low in Camp Narvs. I am running on fumes - heck, aether!

Actually, I'm pretty confident that the guy is going to be a very good NFL kicker... I waver when it comes to timeframe... It probably won't be this year. 

Even Crosby took a few years to get north of 75% FGs...

How did Ryan Longwell transition to the NFL so easily???

[BrewerFan]

4 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

Actually, I'm pretty confident that the guy is going to be a very good NFL kicker... I waver when it comes to timeframe... It probably won't be this year. 

Even Crosby took a few years to get north of 75% FGs...

How did Ryan Longwell transition to the NFL so easily???

Without looking, I'd have said Longwell hit ~75% over his first few seasons.

I guess because they seldom asked him to kick even 40+ his first year. 5 FA, 4 at 40-49, 1 at 50+?

 

[CheezWizHed]

2 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

Without looking, I'd have said Longwell hit ~75% over his first few seasons.

I guess because they seldom asked him to kick even 40+ his first year. 5 FA, 4 at 40-49, 1 at 50+?

 

I looked, He started at 80% his rookie year and was mostly over 80% for his whole career (just two random exceptions).  

But he only averaged ~82% for his GB career, which is much lower than I remembered.

[BrewerFan]

1 hour ago, CheezWizHed said:

I looked, He started at 80% his rookie year and was mostly over 80% for his whole career (just two random exceptions).  

But he only averaged ~82% for his GB career, which is much lower than I remembered.

I'm saying I wouldn't have thought it was that good before looking...but less was asked of him. 4 attempts of 40+ and 1 from 50+

Carlson had 8(4 of 8) and (3 of 5) respectively.

I really think the best available option is a former Packers kicker. We'll give Narveson another game...maybe he'll turn it around. Maybe it's like a pitcher, just needs to make a slight adjustment, but it's gonna really suck to see this team lose because of a kicker. 

 

[CheezWizHed]

7 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

I'm saying I wouldn't have thought it was that good before looking...but less was asked of him. 4 attempts of 40+ and 1 from 50+

Carlson had 8(4 of 8) and (3 of 5) respectively.

I really think the best available option is a former Packers kicker. We'll give Narveson another game...maybe he'll turn it around. Maybe it's like a pitcher, just needs to make a slight adjustment, but it's gonna really suck to see this team lose because of a kicker. 

 

Yeah, I missed what you meant the first time.  I do remember he was pretty limited in Long(well) FGs, but I didn't remember being that restricted.  Maybe that is the approach with Narv from now on?

[HarryDoyle]

18 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

I'm saying I wouldn't have thought it was that good before looking...but less was asked of him. 4 attempts of 40+ and 1 from 50+

Carlson had 8(4 of 8) and (3 of 5) respectively.

I really think the best available option is a former Packers kicker. We'll give Narveson another game...maybe he'll turn it around. Maybe it's like a pitcher, just needs to make a slight adjustment, but it's gonna really suck to see this team lose because of a kicker. 

 

Again.

[adambr2]

23 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

I looked, He started at 80% his rookie year and was mostly over 80% for his whole career (just two random exceptions).  

But he only averaged ~82% for his GB career, which is much lower than I remembered.

They often say you can't compare stats across eras and kicking definitely applies to that. 82% is much more impressive from 1997-2005 than it would be today. 

[adambr2]

https://www.si.com/nfl/sources-packers-romeo-doubs-skipped-practices-over-frustration-with-role?fbclid=IwY2xjawFtgd9leHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHdz__kajLQVPiTllGAKtCpZrAome9Pd0AAxizW0N55i6Lp044KQAzig3pg_aem_kxOSEMEaG6FkVo4HsSEqCg

Doubs isn't good enough to be a squeaky wheel like this. 

[Joseph Zarr]

SO, according to Bill Huber Doubs skipped Wed and Thurs practices for 'personal reasons' this past week. Those reasons are purported to be an unhappiness with his current role in the offense and his touches. Dod not see this One coming. At all. He is now 'Doubtful' for Sunday.

1 minute ago, adambr2 said:

https://www.si.com/nfl/sources-packers-romeo-doubs-skipped-practices-over-frustration-with-role?fbclid=IwY2xjawFtgd9leHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHdz__kajLQVPiTllGAKtCpZrAome9Pd0AAxizW0N55i6Lp044KQAzig3pg_aem_kxOSEMEaG6FkVo4HsSEqCg

Doubs isn't good enough to be a squeaky wheel like this. 

Was just writing out a post. LOL. Very weird m. Doesn't seem like Doubs' personality.

[adambr2]

It's just so weird and random. He's on pace for 51 catches and 718 yards. Which is exactly the kind of season I would expect out of a player like Doubs. It's not like he was ever going to be "the guy". We spread the ball out, and Reed is better and it's not close. Doubs gets about the same amount of targets as Wicks which sounds about right to me. 

Not to mention half his games were with Malik as QB which were obviously going to be run focused gameplans.

[CheezWizHed]

Oh wow.  He's a nice WR, but no where near being able to pull this crap.  

Trade him for Davante. See if he likes being #1 in Vegas...

[GAME05]

I respect that on a passing down there's two option routes and two decoy routes, and sure, maybe Doubs is the decoy more often than not. But it's not like teams have these superstar All-Pros who just aren't being used. If you aren't getting used that's on you. And 51 catches is nothing to scoff at. Maybe he'd get more targets on Carolina, but would you really want to go there? We'd all like to be President but darn if we can't get the votes.

Suck it up for a couple more years and then you're a FA and can go wherever you want. To be a malcontent only hurts your future salary.

I get that to be a professional athlete you need ludicrous-speed levels of confidence and cockiness, but reality is something different. Not everyone is Davante Adams. Others are just Romeo Doubs. A perfectly good WR, better than average even, but still Romeo Doubs. Four targets, three catches and there ya go. 

[BrewerFan]

1 hour ago, adambr2 said:

It's just so weird and random. He's on pace for 51 catches and 718 yards. Which is exactly the kind of season I would expect out of a player like Doubs. It's not like he was ever going to be "the guy". We spread the ball out, and Reed is better and it's not close. Doubs gets about the same amount of targets as Wicks which sounds about right to me. 

Not to mention half his games were with Malik as QB which were obviously going to be run focused gameplans.

Yeah...that's a HUGE factor. You'd think these guys would understand that. I'm sure a lot of players want more balls. Reed has earned them. Wicks was the guy I thought would break out(I still think he can) but then it's still Watson(the first few weeks) who really does change the offense just by being out there. but then Melton, Doubs, Kraft and Musgrave, all of them have and can play significant roles. 

So you're 4 games into the year, 2 games with a very specific, dedicated game plan around Willis so now exactly just airing it out, and Jesus, give Love a LITTLE time. He's gotten the ball to Doubs, but everyone's right. He hasn't done nearly enough to be acting like this. 

I THINK he could be a 1000-1200 yard 8-12 TD guy on a different team where he's higher in the pecking order, but he's not proven he can be yet. 

 

This is not the type of crap we need on this team. We need Love and the offense to get into a groove and then maybe our edge rushers to...rush the edge. Not big egos. 

I'd be thinking about shipping him out... You can't just skip practice in the NFL. I get it, he's eligible for an extension after this year, but... you can guarantee you're not going to be paid if you just no-show to practice.

[GAME05]

But if you ship him out now doesn't that send the message that if you complain just a little bit you'll get your way?

Or this is all very normal for any player and Packers media just picked it up and ran with it?

[homer]

6 hours ago, GAME05 said:

But if you ship him out now doesn't that send the message that if you complain just a little bit you'll get your way?

Or this is all very normal for any player and Packers media just picked it up and ran with it?

he skipped practice without telling anyone. they had to do a wellness check. that isn't normal.

[OldHeidelberg]

I am sure he feels like Wicks and Reed have passed him in the pecking order and is worried about his next contract. But not showing up for practice doesn’t help with that much. We are probably headed for a trade, what is his value? 3rd rounder?

[adambr2]

16 minutes ago, OldHeidelberg said:

I am sure he feels like Wicks and Reed have passed him in the pecking order and is worried about his next contract. But not showing up for practice doesn’t help with that much. We are probably headed for a trade, what is his value? 3rd rounder?

I doubt you could get a 3rd. If you could I'm selling. 

[OldHeidelberg]

17 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

I doubt you could get a 3rd. If you could I'm selling. 

He is 24 and has another year left on rookie deal. Arguably a quality #2 WR. Do the Chiefs say no to a 3rd? 

[homer]

The whole Doubs thing is really strange and doesn't make sense. I'm not going out of my way to call him a diva or anything just yet.

[Joseph Zarr]

1 hour ago, homer said:

The whole Doubs thing is really strange and doesn't make sense. I'm not going out of my way to call him a diva or anything just yet.

Precisely. Nobody has heard a word from Doubs' side of the 'story' or from his side of the fence here. Respectfully, to all of us, I suggest we wait and see what is actually going on here. Also, Kurt likely has some contacts in the locker room:

 

[OldHeidelberg]

Doubs suspended for one game by Packers for conduct detrimental but expected to rejoin team next week.

[adambr2]

Let's get this out of the way -- Rashan Gary is not doing enough for the contract he got and Lukas Van Ness is not doing enough to justify his draft position. 

The pass rush for this team is simply not doing enough for this team to be successful. 

To be clear, this isn't saying Van Ness can't be a good player at some point. But when you're buried on the depth chart when corner was a need and a corner you passed on for Van Ness is already a lockdown corner in New England, you're absolutely open to some second guessing. 

[adambr2]

13 hours ago, OldHeidelberg said:

He is 24 and has another year left on rookie deal. Arguably a quality #2 WR. Do the Chiefs say no to a 3rd? 

Honestly yeah, I think the Chiefs say no to that. I think Doubs is a nice #3. I'd hesitate to call him a #2. He's never graded out particularly well analytically. You could argue he's the 4th most talented receiver on the roster. I think he's closer to "just a guy" than he is being what people think. I think he's steady in the same way that Allen Lazard was steady here. You need guys like that, but they're not incredibly hard to find. 

I don't think he'll be particularly missed tomorrow, although it's not ideal that Watson is out too.