More Reasons to Hate The Cubs in 2025. Bregman has narrowed it down to 3 including the Baby Bears.

[bigred]

59 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

What I saw was you using Counsell's exit as yet another opportunity to "hate" on the team's front office and ownership ... which kinda brings this conversation full circle.

You conveniently didn't acknowledge the comment where I told the people hating on Counsell, who could say we wouldn't be better with Murphy at the helm. 

[bigred]

28 minutes ago, markedman5 said:

lol……another guy who wants the owner who resided over the best period in Brewers history to sell the team……

Because we all know that multi billionaire owners who are willing to deficit finance the brewers payroll and commit to keeping them in Milwaukee are just beating down the door to buy the team.

ps We had another poster a couple of years ago who banged this drum ……he disappeared when the brewers kept winning……….wonder where he went? 🤔

 

Like I've always said. Hope they prove wrong. I'm definitely not gonna hold my breath waiting for a WS championship though, because unless they actually move a move or 2 on certain years, to actually try and get us over the hump, we'll continue to get promptly bounced from the playoffs pretty much every year. 

[bigred]

50 minutes ago, markedman5 said:

lol……another guy who wants the owner who resided over the best period in Brewers history to sell the team……

Because we all know that multi billionaire owners who are willing to deficit finance the brewers payroll and commit to keeping them in Milwaukee are just beating down the door to buy the team.

ps We had another poster a couple of years ago who banged this drum ……he disappeared when the brewers kept winning……….wonder where he went? 🤔

 

Could've been even better some years, if they'd actually pry open that wallet once in a while to actually try and do some damage in the playoffs, instead of relying on luck/hope alone. They should've went for it a few years when we had 1 of the best starting rotations in MLB. 

[jw5511986]

1 hour ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

What I saw was you using Counsell's exit as yet another opportunity to "hate" on the team's front office and ownership ... which kinda brings this conversation full circle.

You are doing the Lord's work, please continue.

[areacodes]

1 hour ago, bigred said:

Like I've always said. Hope they prove wrong. I'm definitely not gonna hold my breath waiting for a WS championship though, because unless they actually move a move or 2 on certain years, to actually try and get us over the hump, we'll continue to get promptly bounced from the playoffs pretty much every year. 

You keep saying this, but the reality is they have made moves (and moves that have been similar to other teams who had more luck in the playoffs) to improve the team but not the “right” ones for you.  There is an excuse why every move they make isn’t the one you happen to be talking about.

People always talk about how they’re willing to watch their team be trash for years if management would just go out and “go for it” one year with huge splash moves to get over the top and win a championship.  Well, we’re about to get into that territory with the Bucks and I have a funny feeling the same fans will then complain about them being crap.

Also, what happens when your team does go for it, doesn’t win their championship and then closes their window for 10+ years?

[Team Canada]

We've had this conversation before...

[yfinn6]

55 minutes ago, Team Canada said:

We've had this conversation before...

 

[bigred]

1 hour ago, areacodes said:

You keep saying this, but the reality is they have made moves (and moves that have been similar to other teams who had more luck in the playoffs) to improve the team but not the “right” ones for you.  There is an excuse why every move they make isn’t the one you happen to be talking about.

People always talk about how they’re willing to watch their team be trash for years if management would just go out and “go for it” one year with huge splash moves to get over the top and win a championship.  Well, we’re about to get into that territory with the Bucks and I have a funny feeling the same fans will then complain about them being crap.

Also, what happens when your team does go for it, doesn’t win their championship and then closes their window for 10+ years?

Not moves for has beens. Actual meaningful moves. Like I said, a few years ago when we had an awesome starting rotation was our best chance to win a Ship. Imo, they should've made a couple moves in that time frame for legit players/controllable players via trades or FA signing for some more offense to actually compete in the playoffs those years. I don't fully understand why so many people here are so against trading from our farm system in trades now. Why not? We have a strong farm system, and been drafting well for a while now, that it's likely we'd be able to replace the prospects we'd given up anyway. We better hope our pitching performs like 4 Cy Young's, because we haven't replaced the offense we lost when Adames left. Not even close. 

[CheeseheadInQC]

5 minutes ago, bigred said:

Not moves for has beens. Actual meaningful moves. Like I said, a few years ago when we had an awesome starting rotation was our best chance to win a Ship. Imo, they should've made a couple moves in that time frame for legit players/controllable players via trades or FA signing for some more offense to actually compete in the playoffs those years. I don't fully understand why so many people here are so against trading from our farm system in trades now. Why not? We have a strong farm system, and been drafting well for a while now, that it's likely we'd be able to replace the prospects we'd given up anyway. We better hope our pitching performs like 4 Cy Young's, because we haven't replaced the offense we lost when Adames left. Not even close. 

I hate to repeat myself from the previous thread, but the height of the Big 3 era for the pitching staff coincided with the low ebb of the Brewers’ system. They simply didn’t have the prospects to make a Yelich type trade. Also, by the fairly stringent standards you have used, those trades are rare enough where the Brewers have been average overall and above average for their market size.

[wiguy94]

5 minutes ago, CheeseheadInQC said:

I hate to repeat myself from the previous thread, but the height of the Big 3 era for the pitching staff coincided with the low ebb of the Brewers’ system. They simply didn’t have the prospects to make a Yelich type trade. Also, by the fairly stringent standards you have used, those trades are rare enough where the Brewers have been average overall and above average for their market size.

Also the Brewers acquired 2 big position players during the 3 years of the Burnes, Woodruff Peralta headed rotation.

2021 - Adames trade

2022 - nothing

2023 - Contreras trade

The two big additions from 2018 both didn't provide much during those three years. Yelich had 2 down years and one solid year. Cain become washed pretty quickly.

[jesusoftheapes]

9 hours ago, bigred said:

Them trying to get better is a reason to hate them? Wish our team actually made moves that have a good chance of making us better, rather than just claiming they are, and relying on luck. Professional sports isn't a legitimate reason for hate, at all. 

Nope the fact they have our coach and are trying to make Chicago work like Milwaukee by shopping for other people's toys is why .   If you cannot find it in yourself to hate the Chicago Baby Bears you are probably cheering for the wrong team.   

Unlike the Child Bears the Brewers do not need to buy the worlds leftovers to win games and make rosters threatening.     They built something here and it is time we tried it all out instead of filling the roster off the market of lost toys.     The Brewers do not need to do what you and many others want of them and they made moves this offseason despite the nonsense you hear from the negative fanbase.        The Brewers are throwing back how they are doing baseball and it is the most refreshing thing I have seen in baseball in decades.     Fans like yourself need to realize what is going on here and accept it because it is going to work and we are going to win a lot of games by not taking the road everyone else drives in the MLB in this era.       They are actually building a winner from the ground up and its working fantastically.     The Brass here are counting on progression of prospects and current talent to win and that is not crazy or wrongheaded.    I LOVE this idea and I am onboard with the way they are doing things this season.  They have MORE than enough to compete for the biggest stages in baseball and if they need something they have proven they will go and get it but for now the best move is to just see what they built and let these young players not have to wait to see when they get a call with bought talent in front of them.    

The constant complaining from the fans who are all crying about the Brewers lack of offseason movement do not know what the plan is and are not helping us win games. Constantly complaining about the best Brewers roster in history must end.    The Brewers are STACKED through the Timber Rattlers all the way up.   They have taken a long time to inject this team with Stars and it is time we use those prospects with big talent so bringing in others to do the jobs that the Brewers have worked so hard to build from the ground up is why they did not spend like fools this offseason. 

Make no mistake though names like Nick Mears, Caleb Durbin, Oliver Dunn and Nester Cortez HELP this team and they are acquired talent over the past year in  Milwaukee.     This team is very talented and this is a Golden Age of Brewers baseball .       

Hate for the Cubs comes from living this Brewers fan life.  If the Cubs being a bought and sold franchise with a lack of team building talent in tow does not help you hate this rival you need to find another sport or team to be involved with because we Brewers fans loath the Baby Bears.   I say jump on board and help us with this entire thing!   The Brewers are one of the very best run franchises in baseball and the negativity from the fanbase every single offseason gets really old.     Wouldn't you have more fun cheering for the Brewers instead of constantly pretending they suck?

[jesusoftheapes]

5 hours ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

What I saw was you using Counsell's exit as yet another opportunity to "hate" on the team's front office and ownership ... which kinda brings this conversation full circle.

Hating the Baby Bears is a birthright all Brewers fans have forgotten.   Hating rivals is what makes baseball fun! 

[jesusoftheapes]

58 minutes ago, CheeseheadInQC said:

I hate to repeat myself from the previous thread, but the height of the Big 3 era for the pitching staff coincided with the low ebb of the Brewers’ system. They simply didn’t have the prospects to make a Yelich type trade. Also, by the fairly stringent standards you have used, those trades are rare enough where the Brewers have been average overall and above average for their market size.

I love that Matt Arnold has made great efforts to keep the core team together.   The thing lacking in baseball in 2025 is the lack of continuity on teams.  Yes you can buy teams that win.  Just ask the Dodgers and Yankees who have worked hard to force an salary cap into baseball this offseason.      Keeping a team together has a lot of positivity behind it and it has become a lost method of team building in this era and it needs to be made popular again if baseball really is going to enter a resurgence .  Cheering for a team that constantly rotates Stars is tiring and makes you less connected to those teams.   The Brewers have studs who are just now stepping into their peaks and that alone should carry this team for a bit.     I am all in. 

[jesusoftheapes]

4 hours ago, bigred said:

You conveniently didn't acknowledge the comment where I told the people hating on Counsell, who could say we wouldn't be better with Murphy at the helm. 

we can both hate Counsel and love Murphy in the same breath.    There is no need to conflate the two things . We can be happy that Craig left and still make fun of the other team who thought the best way to beat us was hiring our Manager who was not that popular with Brewers fans.   

Heck making fun of the Cubs is a very good way to enter each and every season in baseball because a strong hate for the Cubs, Cardinals and Reds makes for a better baseball team .  the Pirtates are just too bad to really hate yet but they are getting there.  

[jesusoftheapes]

4 hours ago, bigred said:

Could've been even better some years, if they'd actually pry open that wallet once in a while to actually try and do some damage in the playoffs, instead of relying on luck/hope alone. They should've went for it a few years when we had 1 of the best starting rotations in MLB. 

Who is relying on hope or luck?   The Brewers rely on development and talent.   So that Sh.. stops now! The Brewers have a stellar rotation right now.   They still have the best pen in baseball.  

The reason I know this team is worthy into 2025 is because of the roster they have not because I feel lucky .    Simply look at the numbers from the playoffs last season and you see where this team is headed.    Turang,Mitchell, Chourio, Perkins, Sal Frelick had numbers that dominated through that series and we only lost because Williams blew it.     The biggest Star on the team tipped off the Mets( who could have been cheating) to his pitches and we lost off his arm despite playing a stellar baseball game right up until that Alonzo hit.     

Anyone who saw that playoff series and who still thinks this team was lacking was not watching that series . There was nothing about that series that said same ol Brewers.    They hit the leather off the ball and were the better team most of the entire series only to lose in the end off one pitch and some dumb stuff with Winker I still do not understand.       

It was not luck. It was being the better franchise that made the 2024 Brewers go and anyone who watched the Brewers saw that this team is miles ahead of where the media and downer fans believe them to be.      

 

With every single playoff loss before 2024 it felt like we had not answers and were miles away from winning anything real.   That was NOT the takeaway I left 2024 with this time !   This time felt like we left it all on the table and that we have massive unfinished business and that this team is more than good enough to play ball with anyone in baseball as long as they keep the core team together and do not shop the entire roster hoping to find a free agent who is undervalued and over produces.      

 

This Brewers roster is strong.  I like it more than any in the NL not playing in LA and no one else has the money to be the Dodgers.    So stop being negative and look at things as they are and not as they used to be!  This Brewers team is poised for bigger wins and it has 0 do with Luck or hope! This team is GOOD ,DEEP and ready to win now!   Stop being so negative! The Brewers have built something special here.     

[liveforoctober]

We are going to have this same convo, huh? Can we just start a thread dedicated to a certain poster so we don't have to do this in every conversation moving forward?

[AKCheesehead]

If Bregman suddenly craters in his 30s the way Rendon did then I'm all for the cubs signing him. 

[markedman5]

You can still hate the cubs 

 

[bigred]

6 hours ago, wiguy94 said:

Also the Brewers acquired 2 big position players during the 3 years of the Burnes, Woodruff Peralta headed rotation.

2021 - Adames trade

2022 - nothing

2023 - Contreras trade

The two big additions from 2018 both didn't provide much during those three years. Yelich had 2 down years and one solid year. Cain become washed pretty quickly.

Hindsight is always 20/20. Those trades weren't really considered needle movers at the time. 

[Matt Breen]

1 hour ago, markedman5 said:

You can still hate the cubs 

 

That's a lot of money. Oh well, better in Boston than Chicago. 

[bigred]

4 hours ago, liveforoctober said:

We are going to have this same convo, huh? Can we just start a thread dedicated to a certain poster so we don't have to do this in every conversation moving forward?

🤣 Hi there. Have a great night. You may want to consider changing your name on here to "liveforoctoberbutonlyforagameorsountiltheyrepromptlybounced". Like I've told others here, feel free to block me, so you don't see my comments. Wouldn't hurt my feelings, even a little bit. Lol. 

[bigred]

8 hours ago, Team Canada said:

We've had this conversation before...

And I'll continue to say it. Small markets like us only have occasional short windows to have a chance at deep playoff runs, and when those arise, they need to actually capitalize on them, and make a move or 2 to get over the hump. When ours have presented themselves, our FO always resorts to their signature move, which is sit on their hands, do nothing, and pray for luck to knock on their door. There's absolutely no reason MA couldn't up the payroll to $130-$140M once in a while. The ownership group is beyond squeaky tight. 

[brewfanmn]

1 hour ago, bigred said:

And I'll continue to say it. Small markets like us only have occasional short windows to have a chance at deep playoff runs, and when those arise, they need to actually capitalize on them, and make a move or 2 to get over the hump. When ours have presented themselves, our FO always resorts to their signature move, which is sit on their hands, do nothing, and pray for luck to knock on their door. There's absolutely no reason MA couldn't up the payroll to $130-$140M once in a while. The ownership group is beyond squeaky tight. 

That occasional short window sure has been lasting a while.

[brewerfan82]

7 hours ago, bigred said:

There's absolutely no reason MA couldn't up the payroll to $130-$140M once in a while.

They have literally had the payroll in that range twice in the past 5 full seasons (2019 and 2022).

[homer]

Bregman to Red Sox.